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[D4rkFire]

I only take Miranda because she has Warp and also Thane I take to the cargo hold

Modifié par D4rkFire, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:37 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

My problem is more about what *I* call him in my writing. Or rather, what I use for him in comparison with what I use for Miranda. It seems awkward to always go with "Shepard" for him, but use "Miranda" for her, especially in a story with switching viewpoints where I'm as close to him as I am to her. And it's pure habit - if I switch to the cover identity I've made for her the problem disappears, but at some time I'll have to switch again. Grr.

You kinda lost me with that last part. You made a cover identity for Miranda?

Well...you wanted a spy story, and that's what you're going to get. You didn't expect me to let Miranda appear in an operation in a semi-public place under the name "Miranda Lawson", did you? Of course the reader will know, even though I'm throwing the occasional smoke-ball in the first part.

I love this spy stuff - layers of obfuscation, secrets within secrets. But there's actually a good reason why I'm doing it: at the start of ME2, Shepard doesn't recognize Miranda. Why not, if they've met before? Maybe he does do but doesn't openly acknowledge her, and vice versa - thinking about that ties my brain in knots, I'd rather not go there. Anyway, I'd like to leave things open to the possibility that Shepard has doubts (at the very least) about her identity at the start of ME2, and that means he's never known her as "Miranda Lawson" before, and they may be more obfuscating circumstances.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Jebel Krong]

[Nightwriter]

Why is Miranda turned away in this picture.

[Kakalukya]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why is Miranda turned away in this picture.

hmm... I think to draw attention on her hips

[jtav]

I usually only use Shepard's first name when I'm writing from his POV or that of his LI. Considering what's coming, usage of a surname felt strange. I only have the elevator and sex scene proper left, so it shouldn't take long.

[Dave of Canada]

*Shadow Broker DLC spoilers*



I may not be too informed so this might be common knowledge and such but at the end of the DLC, you're able to browse through each and every one of your squad's private files. In my version of the game (not romanced), her personal files showed that she tried a lot of sex (maybe dating, although it felt more like a fling website) sites and such.



The interesting thing is that she received a medical email regarding how her genes make her barren, Miranda can never get pregnant.



*End spoilers*

[Jebel Krong]

goddamit why did i force myself to read that....

[jtav]

Same here. I remember speculating at one point that she was infertile, and that was why her father wanted to discard her. Looks like I'm psychic.

[Elyvern]

Argh....you should've posted that in camouflage font!!

It makes a sick kind of sense, I suppose.... Given the amount of effort, time and money her father has invested, it's natural he wouldn't want his prized genetic blueprint to run into the danger of diluting and making bastardised copies of itself.

Damn....I'm still waiting for the PC version to be released. This is killing me....

Modifié par Elyvern, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:31 .

[Jebel Krong]

i'm with elyvern - it's more likely a conscious decision on the part of her father - controlling his 'dynasty' and all. plus kids tend to be.... distracting. Dr. Malcolm said it best anyway: "life... finds a way."

in a way it's better anyway - shepard and miranda can focus on each other.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Jebel Krong]

collector base:

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Well...you wanted a spy story, and
that's what you're going to get. You didn't expect me to let Miranda
appear in an operation in a semi-public place under the name "Miranda
Lawson", did you? Of course the reader will know, even though I'm
throwing the occasional smoke-ball in the first part.

I love
this spy stuff - layers of obfuscation, secrets within secrets. But
there's actually a good reason why I'm doing it: at the start of ME2,
Shepard doesn't recognize Miranda. Why not, if they've met before?
Maybe he does do but doesn't openly acknowledge her, and vice versa -
thinking about that ties my brain in knots, I'd rather not go there.
Anyway, I'd like to leave things open to the possibility that Shepard
has doubts (at the very least) about her identity at the start of ME2,
and that means he's never known her as "Miranda Lawson" before, and
they may be more obfuscating circumstances.

Oh right, the ficathon. I'm starting to wish I hadn't used an idea I wanted to write myself someday as a prompt. I'm glad you're the one that's writing it and I'm excited to see what you come up with, but at the same time a part of me wishes I'd been assigned my own prompt . On a non-Miranda related but ficathon-related note, anybody want to help me out with some Jacob-related ideas? I'm dying here and I'm afraid if I bash my head against the wall anymore I'm going to end up in the next room.

Dave of Canada wrote...

*Shadow Broker DLC spoilers*

I may not be too informed so this might be common knowledge and such but at the end of the DLC, you're able to browse through each and every one of your squad's private files. In my version of the game (not romanced), her personal files showed that she tried a lot of sex (maybe dating, although it felt more like a fling website) sites and such.

The interesting thing is that she received a medical email regarding how her genes make her barren, Miranda can never get pregnant.

*End spoilers*

I wish I hadn't read that, but even then it doesn't completely preclude her from having kids. Being barren just means she can't carry a fetus right? There's nothing stopping her from using in vitro. TBH, even if she wasn't barren, I couldn't realistically ever see her setting aside nine months to be pregnant anyways (as cute a mental picture as it is of Miranda curled up in front of a TV with a bucket of ice cream and a jar of pickles).

Elyvern wrote...

Argh....you should've posted that in camouflage font!!

It
makes a sick kind of sense, I suppose.... Given the amount of effort,
time and money her father has invested, it's natural he wouldn't want
his prized genetic blueprint to run into the danger of diluting and
making bastardised copies of itself.

Damn....I'm still waiting for the PC version to be released. This is killing me....

If Pacifen was right... seventeen more minutes. *rubs hands together in excitement*

Modifié par fongiel24, 07 septembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
*Shadow Broker DLC spoilers*

I may not be too informed so this might be common knowledge and such but at the end of the DLC, you're able to browse through each and every one of your squad's private files. In my version of the game (not romanced), her personal files showed that she tried a lot of sex (maybe dating, although it felt more like a fling website) sites and such.

The interesting thing is that she received a medical email regarding how her genes make her barren, Miranda can never get pregnant.

*End spoilers*

I wish I hadn't read that, but even then it doesn't completely preclude her from having kids. Being barren just means she can't carry a fetus right? There's nothing stopping her from using in vitro. TBH, even if she wasn't barren, I couldn't realistically ever see her setting aside nine months to be pregnant anyways (as cute a mental picture as it is of Miranda curled up in front of a TV with a bucket of ice cream and a jar of pickles).

I can't say how I much hate this attempt to make Miranda genetically unfeasible. But of course there are ways out of it - with more genetic engineering if everything else fails. Regular IV isn't a good solution - someone still has to carry the child, and whose child is it then? But putting her repaired genes into an artificially-created egg would work. She'd also be able to mate with an asari, as hard as it is for me to admit it.

@jtav:
Your scenario isn't very plausible. If her genes make Miranda infertile, then they also make Oriana infertile, and Mr. Lawson does want her...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:48 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
*Shadow Broker DLC spoilers*

I may not be too informed so this might be common knowledge and such but at the end of the DLC, you're able to browse through each and every one of your squad's private files. In my version of the game (not romanced), her personal files showed that she tried a lot of sex (maybe dating, although it felt more like a fling website) sites and such.

The interesting thing is that she received a medical email regarding how her genes make her barren, Miranda can never get pregnant.

*End spoilers*

I wish I hadn't read that, but even then it doesn't completely preclude her from having kids. Being barren just means she can't carry a fetus right? There's nothing stopping her from using in vitro. TBH, even if she wasn't barren, I couldn't realistically ever see her setting aside nine months to be pregnant anyways (as cute a mental picture as it is of Miranda curled up in front of a TV with a bucket of ice cream and a jar of pickles).

I can't say how I much hate this attempt to make Miranda genetically unfeasible. But of course there are ways out of it - with more genetic engineering if everything else fails. Regular IV isn't a good solution - someone still has to carry the child, and whose child is it then? But putting her repaired genes into an artificially-created egg would work. She'd also be able to mate with an asari, as hard as it is for me to admit it.

@jtav:
Your scenario isn't very plausible. If her genes make Miranda infertile, then they also make Oriana infertile, and Mr. Lawson does want her...

No, barren just means her ovum isn't viable, or that she doesn't produce eggs in the first place. She can still become artificially pregnant, ie. planting a IVF egg in the womb. Although there may be a strong likelihood she wouldn't produce the correct hormones if her ovaries don't work and may require hormornal injections and I suppose the likelihood of complications and miscarriages would be higher.

Anyway, from what another poster said on the LotSB sticky thread, it isn't made clear why she's barren, as in was it intentionally hardwired into her genes (which means Oriana would be barren too), or were they damaged somehow (which means Oriana wouldnt be). A clarification would be helpful.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
Oh right, the ficathon. I'm starting to wish I hadn't used an idea I wanted to write myself someday as a prompt. I'm glad you're the one that's writing it and I'm excited to see what you come up with, but at the same time a part of me wishes I'd been assigned my own prompt .

I understand that. Given I've ended up writing the story I made my first (unposted) prompt for.... 

On a non-Miranda related but ficathon-related note, anybody want to help me out with some Jacob-related ideas? I'm dying here and I'm afraid if I bash my head against the wall anymore I'm going to end up in the next room.

I'd not be so good for Jacob-related freeform brainstorming - I have not enough interest in the man. But I'm good at plausibility assessment should you need it. Though I think you might be good at that yourself. 

[jtav]

I'm still reeling a bit from the revelation. The Shepard I use to romance her does want kids. They're going to have to have a long talk. Adoption and various procedures can be used as a workaround. At worst, she can do what her father did (and wouldn't that make for an interesting fanfic?). I do find it odd and a bit amusing that my OTP is one of the few that could naturally produce offspring, though it isn't likely.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I can't say how I much hate this attempt to make Miranda genetically unfeasible. But of course there are ways out of it - with more genetic engineering if everything else fails. Regular IV isn't a good solution - someone still has to carry the child, and whose child is it then? But putting her repaired genes into an artificially-created egg would work. She'd also be able to mate with an asari, as hard as it is for me to admit it.

@jtav:
Your scenario isn't very plausible. If her genes make Miranda infertile, then they also make Oriana infertile, and Mr. Lawson does want her...

No, barren just means her ovum isn't viable, or that she doesn't produce eggs in the first place. She can still become artificially pregnant, ie. planting a IVF egg in the womb. Although there may be a strong likelihood she wouldn't produce the correct hormones if her ovaries don't work and may require hormornal injections and I suppose the likelihood of complications and miscarriages would be higher.

Hmm...let's speculate a bit:

A woman is born with all of her egg cells, so an infertility where she can't produce any eggs would've been immediately apparent, and her father would've probably killed her earlier. That would mean she can produce eggs and can have natural children, if not carry them out herself. But there's the problem that if her infertility is genetic, her children would inherit that condition, which wouldn't be very desirable. So there's still a need for more gene therapy or genetic engineering.
 

Anyway, from what another poster said on the LotSB sticky thread, it isn't made clear why she's barren, as in was it intentionally hardwired into her genes (which means Oriana would be barren too), or were they damaged somehow (which means Oriana wouldnt be). A clarification would be helpful.

Or not. I'd hate to see that clarification, given the impression I have of the people writing the world. Leave things less defined, there's more room for our imaginations to fill the empty spaces.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm still reeling a bit from the revelation. The Shepard I use to romance her does want kids. They're going to have to have a long talk. Adoption and various procedures can be used as a workaround. At worst, she can do what her father did (and wouldn't that make for an interesting fanfic?).

It would make a *very* interesting fanfic. I don't think the genetic engineering part of what her father did is that bad. In fact, it's not bad at all, since Miranda undoubtedly has traits everyone would find desirable and nothing of the nightmarish stuff people sometimes associate with genetic engineering. Miranda would have to come to terms with that fact, and appreciate her traits as part of herself instead of her father's program before she's mentally able to use genetic engineering to make children of her own.
My "canon" Shepard also wants children - eventually. But he doesn't care whether it's done by natural pregnancy or not, or whether medical procedures are necessary to make it possible.

I do find it odd and a bit amusing that my OTP is one of the few that could naturally produce offspring, though it isn't likely.

What is your OTP, if I may ask?

[fongiel24]

Grrr... now I'm even more eager to play LotSB so I can get some more info on my current squadmates but my internet is acting up. It's apparently supposed to be 1.5gb... at the rate my connection is downloading right now, I won't be finished downloading until October.

I wonder if Miranda's eezo implantation might have anything to do with her becoming barren. Granted the eezo implantation isn't canon, but if it was done during puberty, I would think it could cause barrenness (I'm neither a doctor nor a biology major).

Edit: Thought just occurred to me. If Miranda's father did implant eezo in her body in an attempt to make her a biotic and the result was that it messed with her development enough to cause barrenness, that's one more thing that her father stole from her. Poor Miranda...

Modifié par fongiel24, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:59 .

[jtav]

Miranda/Liara, though even that's complicated by Liara's extreme youth. And certain other spoilers that I'm thrilled about. I can't wait to play the DLC. Unfortunately, Kyle is still on Omega and I'm busy with writing.

[Ieldra]

Grr....the PC download file for LotSB is defective..... everyone apparently has the same issue.

@jtav:
Ah....I see. Given what Bioware just did to her, I don't find the idea as awkward anymore. But I must say every time Bioware pulls a stunt like this, it pushes me another step in the direction of a Cerberus ending.

@fongiel24:
It's very plausible that eezo is to blame, given the damage it can do to human fetuses. Nothing being an expert in biology would help with, thought, since nobody knows the exact properties of eezo.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Elyvern]

Downloading at 60kbs with an estimated completion in 8 hours...shoot me. Which also means I have more than enough time to speculate away.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm...let's speculate a bit:

A woman is born with all of her egg cells, so an infertility where she can't produce any eggs would've been immediately apparent, and her father would've probably killed her earlier. That would mean she can produce eggs and can have natural children, if not carry them out herself. But there's the problem that if her infertility is genetic, her children would inherit that condition, which wouldn't be very desirable. So there's still a need for more gene therapy or genetic engineering.

Heh, compared to the seemingly insurmountable problems of producing genetic biotics, I see many ways how it would be possible to reverse Miranda's infertility. If it was simply a case of damage to her genes, Oriana is her genetic twin, ova from Oriana will be virtually indistinguishable from Miranda's. Have Oriana be a egg donor, problem solved.

If the issue is a genetic hardwire, the biggest roadblock would be the production of gametes (splitting up the 46 chromosomes that make up the genetic human blueprint into 23 for ova/sperm). But it is apparently that Miranda's father has somewhat surmounted that problem when he created his daughters, (if we assume most of her genetic material is from him, it means he must have found a way to supplement the remaining 23 chromosomes that would have came from the mother's gene pool). It isn't possible currently (which is a sore spot for homosexual couples) but it is very possible that in the ME universe that problem can be solved.

An absence of eggs would be pretty obvious but do note that while a female fetus is born with all her eggs, they don't mature until puberty. So there is no way to know if those eggs will be viable until the subject is sexually mature. And this would also assume that her father didn't intentionally create Miranda infertile so she wouldn't be able to accidentally or intentionally release and "contaminate"/dilute his genetic material via unauthorised sexual reproduction.

I'm also not sure that a genetic hardwire means future generations are doomed to be genetically infertile too. Basic function of human sexual organs can be easily gauranteed with gene therapy and engineering. Miranda can genetically engineer her children to be free of that defect and solve the problem once and for all. I'd imagine whatever the problem is with her physiology, it wouldn't be something as outrageous as lacking a uterus or ovaries. Something like that would be so obvious it wouldn't have remained undiscovered for so long.

Bottomline, I agree with your preference for less details, but all information so far doesn't make Miranda's infertility an insurmountable problem. What it does for me primarily is to create another level of pathos for her character. Outwardly, she's equipped with a body that is perfect for child-bearing. That and the fact that and she is genetically superior but unable to pass on her genes is a terrible waste. But ultimately, it drives home the tyrannical sense of ownership her father has over her. Even her own body isn't hers to control.

Modifié par Elyvern, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:14 .

[Ieldra]

LOL...Everyone who's downloaded LotSB (PC) in the last half hour or so has downloaded 1.5GB of zeroes. Oh, the irony...:lol:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[jtav]

Could someone drop me a note when the download starts working. Also, I understand that you see a private letter from your ME2 LI. Anybody got Miranda's?