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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
My biological/medical education is severely lacking, so I'd appreciate some clarification. Miranda isn't in any serious health danger, correct?

Almost certainly she isn't.

Is the neoplasm likely to have any effect beyond infertility? Can it become cancer and how likely is that?

It depends on the type. Some can mutate into cancer, some you can live with your whole life. Mostly, it would be better to remove them regardless, but an operation poses a risk in itself, so it's sometimes considered not worth the risk.

I gather the operation to remove it isn't especially dangerous.

LIkely it's not.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

My biological/medical education is severely lacking, so I'd appreciate some clarification. Miranda isn't in any serious health danger, correct? Is the neoplasm likely to have any effect beyond infertility? Can it become cancer and how likely is that?  I gather the operation to remove it isn't especially dangerous. I wonder how long she's known.

"Neoplasm" is just another word for "tumour". Not all tumours are malignant (cancerous). I'm limited because I avoided reading the original post, but I get the impression that Miranda's life isn't in any imminent danger. As for whether it could become cander and how difficult it is to remove, it depends on the neoplasm and where it's located. Sitting near the reproductive organs, it could be dangerous to remove with 20th century medical tools, but maybe not in the 22nd century.

Okay, now I'm really gone, lest I accidentally read something that really spoils LotSB more than BW's f-up already has.

Edit: Looks like my post was ninja'd . Sorry.

Modifié par fongiel24, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:11 .

[jtav]

The phrasing seems to indicate that the infertility is permanent. As I said, there are workarounds for this sort of thing. A surrogate mother, an artificial womb, Oriana serving as an egg donor. Don't forget adoption. I still think it would be very interesting if she decided to engineer a child in the way that she had been engineered.

[Ieldra]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
Let's hope you're right, that the intention behind that phrasing is to leave it open and create tension without closing off any particular scenario.

I just can't help being a bit pessimistic. Thankfully you're here to keep things balanced.

The intention doesn't matter as long as they don't follow up with incontrovertible facts. The results are vague, whether by intention or not, and that's much better than my earlier impression. So I feel justified in being comparatively optimistic.
BTW: Nice to see you here again, Sleepy Buddha. Long time no see. Did the Buddha oversleep?

[Sleepy Buddha]

Actually, after thinking about it a bit, I'm getting worried again about this development.

The phrasing regarding the progressive damage rendering her unable to bear children may be ambiguous, but the next section of the message makes it seem like it already happened.

It only mentions statistics about pregnancy difficulties, recommends adoption as solution and suggests support group therapy.

If the phrasing in the first section was meant to leave things open, then they screwed up in the second section.

PS: I wish, Ieldra. I've been away far too long. But it's always nice to see you and others still around.

Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The phrasing seems to indicate that the infertility is permanent. As I said, there are workarounds for this sort of thing. A surrogate mother, an artificial womb, Oriana serving as an egg donor. Don't forget adoption. I still think it would be very interesting if she decided to engineer a child in the way that she had been engineered.

I'm sure she's thinking about the possibility. Wouldn't be like her not to consider additional options, especially if that meant leaving less to random chance in her child's traits. For a romanced Miranda, it would even be somewhat romantic if Shepard and Miranda decided to combine their best genetic traits in their children. And also....oops...grounds for big explosive arguments. Whether romanced or not, having to consider the possibility would make things more interesting.

[jtav]

Yes, it does sound like it's already happened. Poor Miranda. I'm more concerned about long-term health risks, but those seem to be minimal. My preferred pairings for her are Liara and Thane, so I'm not really worried about how this will affect the romance. Still, it couldn't have been an easy thing for her to hear.

Modifié par jtav, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Elyvern]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

Actually, after thinking about it a bit, I'm getting worried again about this development.

The phrasing regarding the progressive damage rendering her unable to bear children may be ambiguous, but the next section of the message makes it seem like it already happened.

It only mentions statistics about pregnancy difficulties, recommends adoption as solution and suggests support group therapy.

If the phrasing in the first section was meant to leave things open, then they screwed up in the second section.

PS: I wish, Ieldra. I've been away far too long. But it's always nice to see you and others still around.

It would be more tragic if Miri doesn't have a genetic twin, but she does.  Any child created from her or Oriana's ova would be absolutely indistinguishable. All in all, I'm really thankful that her infertility isn't genetically hardwired. The letter also states that the difficulty is the inability to conceive, not an inability to carry a child to term. So embedding a fertilised egg in the uterus is perfectly viable too.

I think I'm far happier now with all these facts in hand, no matter their ambiguity.

[jtav]

I almost hate to say it for fear it will sound callous, but the story potential here is tremendous. The writer part of my brain is excited.

[Sleepy Buddha]

jtav wrote...

The phrasing seems to indicate that the infertility is permanent. As I said, there are workarounds for this sort of thing. A surrogate mother, an artificial womb, Oriana serving as an egg donor. Don't forget adoption. I still think it would be very interesting if she decided to engineer a child in the way that she had been engineered.

Here's hoping that Bioware makes a mission to get the tech that created Miranda from her father and close that chapter of her life permanently for ME3 or as DLC, if that's the case.

[Ieldra]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
It only mentions statistics about pregnancy difficulties, recommends adoption as solution and suggests support group therapy.

Bah. Someone didn't think enough about thepossibilities added by the ME universe. That's completely clear from the phrasing. It's not as if this was the first time some Bioware writer didn't think things through enough. It's like they're unable to project themselves into the world. The condition mentioned looks like one that could be removed even with today's medicine.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Ieldra]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

The phrasing seems to indicate that the infertility is permanent. As I said, there are workarounds for this sort of thing. A surrogate mother, an artificial womb, Oriana serving as an egg donor. Don't forget adoption. I still think it would be very interesting if she decided to engineer a child in the way that she had been engineered.

Here's hoping that Bioware makes a mission to get the tech that created Miranda from her father and close that chapter of her life permanently for ME3 or as DLC, if that's the case.

I wonder if I should hope for that. At this moment, I'm writing chapter 3 of my fanfic, where she steals that documentation out of her father's labs before she runs. For me, the difficulty she has lies in dealing with all this emotionally, the tech is unproblematic. I can see her holding onto this stuff for decades, until she accepts that by using it, she doesn't necessarily become like her father. Quote (not from Miranda): "I'd rather have ten clone children loved by their parents than a single mistreated natural-born."

Edit:
And I'm quite sure Cerberus already knows everything.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[jtav]

Considering BW's past handling of bioethics, I rather hope there is no DLC. I'd rather leave it to certain writers who I'm more confident would do it well.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
It only mentions statistics about pregnancy difficulties, recommends adoption as solution and suggests support group therapy.

Bah. Someone didn't think enough about the added possibilities added by the ME universe. That's completely clear from the phrasing. It's not as if this was the first time some Bioware writer didn't think things through enough. It's like they're unable to project themselves into the world. The condition mentioned looks like one that could be removed even with today's medicine.

As I said, I tend to be a bit pessimistic.

So I hope you're right.

I also agree with something else you wrote. I think that even in normal circumstances, Miranda would wish to make sure her offspring with Shepard carried their best traits (genetically speaking).

In a world where genetic modifications are mundane, that isn't controversial.

And what better way to do that than with the tech that was used to make her.


EDIT: Annoying typo.

Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[jtav]

In a way, using the tech would be a perfect ending. He attempted to use it to create a dynasty he could bend to his will. She would use it to create a child she adored. And she would spoil this "miracle child" rotten.

[Sleepy Buddha]

jtav wrote...

In a way, using the tech would be a perfect ending. He attempted to use it to create a dynasty he could bend to his will. She would use it to create a child she adored. And she would spoil this "miracle child" rotten.

Is it me, or are you just dying to write that? 

[jtav]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

In a way, using the tech would be a perfect ending. He attempted to use it to create a dynasty he could bend to his will. She would use it to create a child she adored. And she would spoil this "miracle child" rotten.

Is it me, or are you just dying to write that? 

Yes and no. On the one hand, it's a fantastic idea that could give me an opportunity to really explore her character. On the other hand, the easiest way to do it would be to pair Miranda with Shep, and I don't really like writing that.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

In a way, using the tech would be a perfect ending. He attempted to use it to create a dynasty he could bend to his will. She would use it to create a child she adored. And she would spoil this "miracle child" rotten.

Is it me, or are you just dying to write that? 

Yes and no. On the one hand, it's a fantastic idea that could give me an opportunity to really explore her character. On the other hand, the easiest way to do it would be to pair Miranda with Shep, and I don't really like writing that.

I should mention that it would only be a perfect ending to the personal angle of the story. But it would ignore the impact on the big picture. I dislike stories that start epic and end in a family scene, especially in SF. My epilogue would always include something about how the widespread availability of this technology affects human society and institutions, for both good or bad.

[jtav]

Yes, but I'm not a very good SF writer. I leave exploring the long term implications to others. I'm really interested in the personal story.

[jtav]

Someone has kindly typed up Miranda and Jack's dossiers from LotSB here Spoilers abound.

[Strikor2115]

I was bored so I drew this really fast haha

[Sleepy Buddha]

Pretty cool, Strikor.



Well, I have to go to bed. I was so stoked about the release of LotSB....



At least I finished my insanity run. With Miranda, of course.



@jtav: In this case, I'm also more interested in the personal story. There are many stories that can only be perfect if they end badly. But Miranda's story, I definitely want it to have a very happy ending.



It was nice seeing you people (Ieldra, jtav, Strikor) again. I'll try to return more often.



G'night.

[jtav]

Quick clarification: I don't mean to say that children are required for a happy ending. Merely that it's fitting that the tech be used to solve the problem it helped caused and even more fitting that something created to engineer a dynasty headed by a megalomaniac should now be used to create a loving family.

[Sleepy Buddha]

I agree, jtav. To me, a happy ending for Miranda is one where she has a choice to do whatever she wants.



But I don't like the situation that this message implies. Because it takes away her choice. And that's what saddens me, especially since it seems to me that she would like to be a mother someday.



And with that I'm really off.

[jtav]

To paraphrase something I read elsewhere, I'm suddenly afraid they might go the "I'm an unfulfilled career woman because I can't have kids" route. That would ****** me off. I could see this causing considerable strain in the romance, though. Or a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming.

"I can't give you the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence. If that's what you want, go now."
"Never said I did. As long as I've got you, that's enough."

I love that kind of relationship conflict, where you have to partially sacrifice some imagined future or decide this person isn't worth the heartbreak.

Anyone think she could bond with Samara over this since Samara's children are doomed to be ADYs because of her genes? It's not the same, but she'll never have "normal" children either.