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[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

To paraphrase something I read elsewhere, I'm suddenly afraid they might go the "I'm an unfulfilled career woman because I can't have kids" route. That would ****** me off. I could see this causing considerable strain in the romance, though. Or a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming.

"I can't give you the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence. If that's what you want, go now."
"Never said I did. As long as I've got you, that's enough."

I love that kind of relationship conflict, where you have to partially sacrifice some imagined future or decide this person isn't worth the heartbreak.

Anyone think she could bond with Samara over this since Samara's children are doomed to be ADYs because of her genes? It's not the same, but she'll never have "normal" children either.

Who might go the "I'm an unfulfilled career woman because I can't have kids" route? Are you saying the Bioware writers might write Miranda this way in the future?

While it would be heartwarming ending for Shepard and Miranda to run off together and start a family, it'll never happen in "my" canon. I'm committed to the idea that neither of them is suited for a longterm, stable relationship. In my mind, after ME2, they will end up in an on-again, off-again cycle, unable or unwilling to realize how perfect they are for each other, but neither will be able to let go either, because they really do love each other.

Samara seems to respect Miranda and I suppose they do have that in common (the problems with conceiving normally). What you have to keep in mind though, is that Samara's current situation (working with a group) is unusual for her. If your Shepard is even moderately renegade, Samara comments that she's glad Shepard and her are friends but hopes she never sees him again because her code would force her to attack him. Miranda, who's done some not-so-nice things herself, would end up in the same boat.

[jtav]

Yes, Bioware. I don't entirely trust them to handle it well if they pick this up again. I'm more optimistic that Miranda could have a long-term relationship, though it will be hard for her. And anyone who wants conventional should leave right now.I don't even want her to end up with Shep. But she can find someone. As for Samara, I agree with you. The tension between her Code and the fact that they're so similar is what interests me.

[TMA LIVE]

jtav wrote...

Yes, it does sound like it's already happened. Poor Miranda. I'm more concerned about long-term health risks, but those seem to be minimal. My preferred pairings for her are Liara and Thane, so I'm not really worried about how this will affect the romance. Still, it couldn't have been an easy thing for her to hear.

If she was with an asari, she'd be able to have a child, though it would be an asari.

[fongiel24]

TMA LIVE wrote...

If she was with an asari, she'd be able to have a child, though it would be an asari.

Asari children never take any of the "father's" DNA. For that reason I wouldn't really be interested in Miranda having a child with an asari. Miranda passing on her perfect genes, genes that her father intended to be the seeds of a dynasty, to a child she'd raise and love in an environment she never had is just such a sweet image that I can't really see it happening any other way.

[LuxDragon]

I'm surprised no one's posted this.



The DLC is working again. Go get it.

[Jebel Krong]

well i really enjoyed LoSB last night, took me a good couple of hours to finish and you can really see where they've improved since, even, mass effect 2 - the level design in particular has gotten much better as time has moved on, and the settings in this dlc were fantastic. the only disappointments were: Liara is still a bit strange (almost schizophrenic between needy and not-), the true reveal of the SB - cool in one way but disappointing given the other possibilities, and the other spectre (given possible shep similarities, i would have hoped for a different possible ending to that situation, epic though it was). i loved how they tied in your spectre status and at the end liara acknowledged your current LI.



couple of nice things at the end setting up possible future stuff, too.

[adriano_c]

The "Lawbringer's" online dating was pretty amusing. Straight to the point.

[TheKillerAngel]

Miranda and Oriana are genetically identical, and assuming that Oriana is healthy, Miranda could "borrow" one of Oriana's eggs and have it implanted and fertilized in her. Then, she could have children.

[Jebel Krong]

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[atheelogos]

..... So I broke up with Miranda. The deciding factor was when I found out she couldn't have kids. I know that sounds horrible, and trust me it wasn't easy, but I want to know if anyone did the same?

Modifié par atheelogos, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:50 .

[Jebel Krong]

adriano_c wrote...

The "Lawbringer's" online dating was pretty amusing. Straight to the point.

tbh i didn't find any of those profiles entirely realistic. i know they are probably more to be considered as a bit of fun at the end (like the videos), than actual canon character profiles, but i feel that stuff kinda cheapens the universe a bit. setting the "investigative missions" into progress might have some interesting applications down the line though, given your newfound intelligence resources at the end.

[Jebel Krong]

atheelogos wrote...

..... So I broke up with Miranda. The deciding factor was when I found out she couldn't have kids. I know that sounds horrible, and trust me it wasn't easy, but I want to know if anyone did the same?

why do people place so much emphasis on having kids as the important factor in a relationship? boggles the mind... <_<

[Sleepy Buddha]

atheelogos wrote...

..... So I broke up with Miranda. The deciding factor was when I found out she couldn't have kids. I know that sounds horrible, and trust me it wasn't easy, but I want to know if anyone did the same?

Nope. Miranda and my Shepard are perfect for each other.

I'm saddened by the fact that her choice whether or not to have children was taken away from her, but she's the one as far as I'm concerned.

[Jebel Krong]

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[Ieldra]

atheelogos wrote...

..... So I broke up with Miranda. The deciding factor was when I found out she couldn't have kids. I know that sounds horrible, and trust me it wasn't easy, but I want to know if anyone did the same?

Ha. You acted too early. It's very unlike the condition is irreversible. From the phrasing it sounded like it would be reversible even with today's technology.

You know what I think: Some moron at Bioware knew someone with such problems and thought, hey, wouldn't it be cool if our ME character had the same kind of problem? Then he wrote this dossier entry without considering for even a second that the medical technology of the ME universe would make a joke of this problem in nanoseconds. Support groups, psychological advice, bah. I say medical intervention and the problem's gone. If it's genetic, add gene therapy or something. Several other possibilities have been suggested in this thread.

And yes, you're horrible. Miranda's better off without someone who'd dump her for being unable to conceive.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

If she was with an asari, she'd be able to have a child, though it would be an asari.

Asari children never take any of the "father's" DNA. For that reason I wouldn't really be interested in Miranda having a child with an asari. Miranda passing on her perfect genes, genes that her father intended to be the seeds of a dynasty, to a child she'd raise and love in an environment she never had is just such a sweet image that I can't really see it happening any other way.

Actually, asari children do acquire some of their "fathers'"' traits. The mechanism remains conveniently vague, but somehow the asari reproductive system must be able to read other species' genetic information. Which may or may not be coded in DNA. 

(Yeah, trying to put inter-species mating in plausible terms is doomed to failure....)

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

If she was with an asari, she'd be able to have a child, though it would be an asari.

Asari children never take any of the "father's" DNA. For that reason I wouldn't really be interested in Miranda having a child with an asari. Miranda passing on her perfect genes, genes that her father intended to be the seeds of a dynasty, to a child she'd raise and love in an environment she never had is just such a sweet image that I can't really see it happening any other way.

Actually, asari children do acquire some of their "fathers'"' traits. The mechanism remains conveniently vague, but somehow the asari reproductive system must be able to read other species' genetic information. Which may or may not be coded in DNA. 

(Yeah, trying to put inter-species mating in plausible terms is doomed to failure....)

i believe that they are supposed to incorporate some of the "father's" traits via the melding process (so one assumes that's more personality/mental than physical), which has the other effect of randomizing some of the genetic material for variation.

[GodWood]

Jebel Krong wrote...

adriano_c wrote...
The "Lawbringer's" online dating was pretty amusing. Straight to the point.

tbh i didn't find any of those profiles entirely realistic. i know they are probably more to be considered as a bit of fun at the end (like the videos), than actual canon character profiles, but i feel that stuff kinda cheapens the universe a bit. setting the "investigative missions" into progress might have some interesting applications down the line though, given your newfound intelligence resources at the end.

I quite liked them and think they added more to the characters (even the silly things)
How at all does it cheapen the universe?

[jtav]

JK has it right re: the melding the process. The father is only used to randomize the mother's own DNA, though it seems some personality traits are passed on. But it would be her child. She was necessary for its conception and she may be around for the entirety of the girl's childhood and help raise her. Passing on her genes via her father's tech and raising it in a loving environment is a terribly sweet image, though. Not sure which ending I'd like best.



I'm somewhat less harsh toward anyone who breaks up with her over this. Infertility of one or both partners has contributed to its share of divorces in RL. Kyle/Peter really wants kids and he'll grieve if the fertility problems are insurmountable. He'll come to terms with it eventually, but it will take time. My big problem is accepting that the problem really is insurmountable.

[Jebel Krong]

GodWood wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

adriano_c wrote...
The "Lawbringer's" online dating was pretty amusing. Straight to the point.

tbh i didn't find any of those profiles entirely realistic. i know they are probably more to be considered as a bit of fun at the end (like the videos), than actual canon character profiles, but i feel that stuff kinda cheapens the universe a bit. setting the "investigative missions" into progress might have some interesting applications down the line though, given your newfound intelligence resources at the end.

I quite liked them and think they added more to the characters (even the silly things)
How at all does it cheapen the universe?

because the game(s) are generally serious and take themselves so - little easter eggs like the "remember when we would just slap omni-gel on everything?" comment are funny and lighthearted and nice, but they also remove you from the immediacy and immersion into the game: would miranda really act like that (dating sites), would legion? - not during the events of me2/the suicide mission they certainly wouldn't.

[SgtPotato]

Miranda only said one comment after the trading building was bombed in Shadow Broker DLC.

[GodWood]

Jebel Krong wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

adriano_c wrote...
The "Lawbringer's" online dating was pretty amusing. Straight to the point.

tbh i didn't find any of those profiles entirely realistic. i know they are probably more to be considered as a bit of fun at the end (like the videos), than actual canon character profiles, but i feel that stuff kinda cheapens the universe a bit. setting the "investigative missions" into progress might have some interesting applications down the line though, given your newfound intelligence resources at the end.

I quite liked them and think they added more to the characters (even the silly things)
How at all does it cheapen the universe?

because the game(s) are generally serious and take themselves so - little easter eggs like the "remember when we would just slap omni-gel on everything?" comment are funny and lighthearted and nice, but they also remove you from the immediacy and immersion into the game: would miranda really act like that (dating sites), would legion? - not during the events of me2/the suicide mission they certainly wouldn't.

Well some of those things happened before the events of ME2.
And besides why is it so farfetched to believe Miranda did the whole dating site thing or Grunt looked up dinosaurs? People (no matter how stoic they make themselves appear) can do some silly things.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
My big problem is accepting that the problem really is insurmountable.

Then you'll have no problem. Because it isn't. Unless Bioware says so in no uncertain terms. But the obstacles to making it insurmountable are big - in a world where you can bring someone back from the dead and create someone like Miranda in the first place, artificial gametogenesis should be child's play. And if some of your genes are defective, you can make sure they are the ones replaced by the partner's.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2010 - 12:08 .

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
And yes, you're horrible. Miranda's better off without someone who'd dump her for being unable to conceive.

You know what, if Miranda can resurrect the dead then I would say that somewhere down the line somebody (if not Miranda herself) would create a way to remove neoplasm growths.

[jtav]

On a happier note, did anyone else find the conversation with Oriana adorable. Poor Miranda really has no idea about normal teenage things, but is still trying so hard to be a good older sister.