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[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

On a happier note, did anyone else find the conversation with Oriana adorable. Poor Miranda really has no idea about normal teenage things, but is still trying so hard to be a good older sister.

'randa'....... <_<

[jtav]

Somehow I see that driving Miranda up the wall the first time Oriana calls her that but rolling with it because Miri reminds her too much of Niket.

[padaE]

I will copy something I wrote in another topic, concerning Miranda's dossier:

.I'm really surprised about how people are reacting to this.

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I mean, Miranda was not born, she was made. Her DNA is as perfect as it can be, but artificial. Doesn't anybody ever wondered that she might not have childres? I mean, it can't be that surprising.

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Because of that, I have another take on the dossier, one that pretty much match what I expected. First, she is not very smart, she's a genius, so I think she considered the posibility of not being able to have childrens much before she went messing around. Second, she is extreme rational, she trys to take away emotions from the equation. What happens when the subject is sex? It becomes pure fun. Third, she is superior in everyway to everyone but a few people, and she knows it.

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Add all and you have Miranda seeing sex just as a distraction, doing it for the pleasure alone. Choosing her mates with pure rational reaons, like health. Some people may think it's wrong, but there is a perfect racionalization behind it.

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I think it's match perfect Miranda. I mean, she is everything but a saint. She much more like an anti-hero.

[TheKillerAngel]

OK, it seems like this post was completely ignored.





Miranda and Oriana are genetically identical, and assuming that Oriana is healthy, Miranda could "borrow" one of Oriana's eggs and have it implanted and fertilized in her. Then, she could have children. Yeah, it would be Oriana's kid if you wanted to get anal about it, but since the two are genetically identical, its no big deal.

[Jebel Krong]

certainly wasn't ignored, killerangel, but if oriana is indeed genetically identical, you are making the giant assumption that a. it wasn't intentional to make all offspring sterile and b. as they are genetically identical it's more than likely oriana is, too.



anyway, a few more caps:

[jtav]

Really I'm getting more annoyed by all the accusations that she's a sl*t. She seems to have been fairly discerning and careful even when she just wanted no-strings attached sex. It seems I was more or less right with my assumptions re: her sexual practices, though I never thought about dating services.

[Errol Dnamyx]

I don´t think this condition is going to stop any woman from having a child in the ME universe. It´s just one little problem and Miranda and Shepard are good at solving problems, as we all know.

[TheKillerAngel]

Jebel Krong wrote...

certainly wasn't ignored, killerangel, but if oriana is indeed genetically identical, you are making the giant assumption that a. it wasn't intentional to make all offspring sterile and b. as they are genetically identical it's more than likely oriana is, too.

a. That is possible, but her father wanted a dynasty, so why would he makes his creations sterile? 

b. Oriana is also 16 years younger, and I got the impression that Miranda's sterility is a result of something that has happened over time.

[Alphia]

jtav wrote...

Really I'm getting more annoyed by all the accusations that she's sl*t. She seems to have been fairly discerning and careful even when she just wanted no-strings attached sex. It seems I was more or less right with my assumptions re: her sexual practices, though I never thought about dating services.

Yeah, I didn't get the impression she's promiscuous, just a woman who will do what she needs to to have a baby. I'm not usually a huge Miranda fan, but her dossier in LoTSB is definately making me warm to her.

(edit because apparenty I can't use the word sl*t)

Modifié par Alphia, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Jebel Krong]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

certainly wasn't ignored, killerangel, but if oriana is indeed genetically identical, you are making the giant assumption that a. it wasn't intentional to make all offspring sterile and b. as they are genetically identical it's more than likely oriana is, too.

a. That is possible, but her father wanted a dynasty, so why would he makes his creations sterile? 

b. Oriana is also 16 years younger, and I got the impression that Miranda's sterility is a result of something that has happened over time.

a. better look up the definition of dynasty. usually one has to be in control of one, and what better way to maintain "genetic purity"/whatever? i fully expect that miranda's father expected to be in charge of said dynasty with however many engineered children to serve, it's not an uncommon theme in science fiction.

b. it may well have gotten worse or developed later in life, however without knowing the exact cause speculation is worthless. it may well be because of extensive genetic modification or biotic manifestation that this was a secondary effect, in which case either the technique of engineering could be refined to avoid it, or it would likely be present in all siblings.

[Ieldra]

padaE wrote...
I mean, Miranda was not born, she was made. Her DNA is as perfect as it can be, but artificial. Doesn't anybody ever wondered that she might not have childres? I mean, it can't be that surprising.

Of course it is surprising. One has nothing to do with the other. From that her DNA is cobbled together from various sources to make her as perfect as she can be for her father's dynasty, I would've rather concluded that she is perfectly fertile. "Made, not born", that's a misleading phrasing. She grew into a fetus somewhere - in a surrogate mother or an artificial womb. The growth process was identical to any other human child's.

Add all and you have Miranda seeing sex just as a distraction, doing it for the pleasure alone. Choosing her mates with pure rational reaons, like health. Some people may think it's wrong, but there is a perfect racionalization behind it.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have my reservations about the dossier for completely unrelated reasons (see previous three pages).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:56 .

[philiposophy]

I felt kind of bad after reading about Miranda's fertility problems in LotSB. She never tells you so any Sheps of mine romancing her are going to feel a bit dirty for reading confidential info about her, especially stuff she doesn't feel ready to tell you about.



It was a very moving dossier. Completely contrasts with Grunt's, which was just hilarious.

[langelog]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I don´t think this condition is going to stop any woman from having a child in the ME universe. It´s just one little problem and Miranda and Shepard are good at solving problems, as we all know.

I just found out about this after playing LotS yesterday after work, I felt so sad and helpless. There has to be some way to help her!  Perhaps Mordin's research on resterilizing the Krogan could be altered to help her have a child of her own.

Modifié par langelog, 08 septembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[jtav]

I was going to do LotSB after the suicide mission, but I think I'll do it before. My current Shep is romancing her, so I think I'll time the "Oh I'm definitely interested" conversation occurs after the revelation. Gives it a whole new meaning, particularly if the coyness of the elevator scene is an act for both of them. I'm a romantic at heart. Sue me.

[LowCarbMonster]

Okay, what am I missing?  I see a lot of pics of Shepard and Miranda together after the sex and have seen multiple posts about her getting him to promise he won't die but I never see that scene when I play.  It pulls away during the sex, the camera pulling back and taking them out of the shot and then it cuts to Shepard and TIM.

What am I missing?  My Shep needs his Miranda time!

[TMA LIVE]

fongiel24 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

If she was with an asari, she'd be able to have a child, though it would be an asari.

Asari children never take any of the "father's" DNA. For that reason I wouldn't really be interested in Miranda having a child with an asari. Miranda passing on her perfect genes, genes that her father intended to be the seeds of a dynasty, to a child she'd raise and love in an environment she never had is just such a sweet image that I can't really see it happening any other way.

Speaking of which, do you think that's why Miranda's father made Oriana? Because Miranda can't have children? And do you think Miranda's father had anything to do with the damage?

[KendallX23]

wait...the things from Shadowbroker files on Miranda were dating service ???or am i missing something else...

liked her convo with Oriana...

[Elyvern]

Just finished Lair of the Shadow Broker. What can I say? It was amazing. And damn well worth the 10 USD price. And I feel what I posted on the Miranda's Dossier thread needs a reiteration:

Please, she's 35, it's absolutely unrealistic to expect her not to be sexually experienced. And screening potential casual sexual partners for health problems is entirely within her character. She's extremely rational and keeps her personal and professional life clearly demarcated. I see no problems with her needing some sexual release without the personal baggage that comes from a serious relationship now and then.

The bombshell about her inability to conceive is poorly executed by Bioware. Offhand I can think of three ways to circum-navigate that issue, none of which would require a stretch of the imagnation. One of the options is already avaiable to us, and the other is likely to be possible without our lifetimes.

1. Have Oriana be a egg donor. Both Miri and Oriana's kids would be genetically indistinguishable.

2. Custom-make gametes (ie. the 23 chromosomes required for an ova). It's been proven that Miranda's father has surmounted that problem in his creation of Miranda.

3. She can clone the organ affected by neoplasm. Benign tumours are common amongst women of child-bearing age even in the present day.  Just clone the uterus or ovaries and replace them surgically. Problem solved.

What really endears me to Miranda is the entry of her chat with Oriana. What I see is someone who's been psychologically stunted by her father's machinations against her having friends and peers during her childhood but still trying her darnest best to act like a proper older sister. Miranda's developmental years are adversely stunted by her father to the extent that she has problems connecting to people socially, But she works her heart trying to be a source of wisdom and strength for Oriana.

This DLC just further reinforces that Miranda is the only one for my male sheps (all 4 of them).

[Ieldra]

LowCarbMonster wrote...
Okay, what am I missing?  I see a lot of pics of Shepard and Miranda together after the sex and have seen multiple posts about her getting him to promise he won't die but I never see that scene when I play.  It pulls away during the sex, the camera pulling back and taking them out of the shot and then it cuts to Shepard and TIM.

What am I missing?  My Shep needs his Miranda time!

You mean the scene where they're on the bed in the captain's quarters together? You'll get that after the suicide mission. You'll get an additional option in the captain's quarters to invite Miranda up. There's a glitch that may prevent you from doing it until you visisted a planet, and another glitch that fubars the scene where she's sitting in Shepard's lap. But you will get the scene on the bed.

The promise happens in the last romance conversation before the suicide mission, not in the love scene. But you should *really* know that by now.

[LowCarbMonster]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LowCarbMonster wrote...
Okay, what am I missing?  I see a lot of pics of Shepard and Miranda together after the sex and have seen multiple posts about her getting him to promise he won't die but I never see that scene when I play.  It pulls away during the sex, the camera pulling back and taking them out of the shot and then it cuts to Shepard and TIM.

What am I missing?  My Shep needs his Miranda time!

You mean the scene where they're on the bed in the captain's quarters together? You'll get that after the suicide mission. You'll get an additional option in the captain's quarters to invite Miranda up. There's a glitch that may prevent you from doing it until you visisted a planet, and another glitch that fubars the scene where she's sitting in Shepard's lap. But you will get the scene on the bed.

The promise happens in the last romance conversation before the suicide mission, not in the love scene. But you should *really* know that by now.

Thanks!  I would've never tried that after the mission was over.

Hmmmm... I SHOULD know that but the last converstion I had with her before the love scene was the Miranda thinks they're crazy but she's interested conversation (which I had about 150 times! LOL!).

I'm gonna go back to my save before the suicide mission and play LOTSB first and then see if I get any of that.

[Caihn]

In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

[jtav]

They acknowledged Redemption! Excuse me while I jump up and down!

[Jebel Krong]

Yannkee wrote...

In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

missed that as i took the renegade option first time...

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

They acknowledged Redemption! Excuse me while I jump up and down!

Someone needs to write a fic about the conversation Miranda and Liara has onboard the Normandy SR2.  Any takers!?

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

:) I like that, too. But I hope that they won't make her too emotional. I like that she's lost some of her coldness (which actually I didn't find very cold in the first place), but I still prefer her more rational and detached, a few fitting exceptions notwithstanding.