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[jtav]

I would, but if I do it they'll be doing a lot more than just talking. Maybe an epilogue to the story I have on my hard drive.

[langelog]

I've been seeing a lot of talk about Miri being a sl*t, because she tried some companion sites. I disagree, companion sites don't make you a sl*t, she's just looking for love, and finds these sites more convenient, especially when she's always too busy with Cerberus matters to be taking the time to date.
 
I doubt Miri slept with many men, although she may have found a suitable companion once in a while, but I'm assuming very seldom. If she found any flaws with her would be partner she would disconnect, so it's very likley that well over 85% of the men she's been in contact with have been rejected. This makes perfect sense given her character, she only settles for the best.

On a personal note, I will say that I found the dossiers to be both humerous and stereotypical, and therefore I didn't take them seriously at all, in fact their are times I wished I had never seen them.

Modifié par langelog, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:56 .

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Miranda's personal conversation were hilarious. I'd be curious as to *when* they took place, though. She obviously had no time during the past 2 1/2 years.



Always suspected that her genetic tailoring might have an adverse effect on her... birthing capabilities, but such a confirmation hits hard, I guess. The mere fact that she took those steps indicate that she wondered either for herself or her kid sister. Ouch.

[jtav]

I've always said that she indulges in recreational/casual sex and that most of her sexual encounters were not as part of a long-term romantic relationship. The dossier seems to support that theory. When she wants no strings attached sex, she goes after it. As long as she's honest about what she wants to her partner and takes reasonable health precautions (and she seems to have done this) then she's acting is perfectly ethically in my estimation.

[TheKillerAngel]

If Miranda decides to tell Shepard about her inability to have children, how do you think she will express it? Will she be emotional or detached about it?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

jtav wrote...

I've always said that she indulges in recreational/casual sex and that most of her sexual encounters were not as part of a long-term romantic relationship. The dossier seems to support that theory. When she wants no strings attached sex, she goes after it. As long as she's honest about what she wants to her partner and takes reasonable health precautions (and she seems to have done this) then she's acting is perfectly ethically in my estimation.

You mean besides Jacob, lol?

Sure, them 'dating' an idealized version of one another most likely (read: not getting each other a whole lot) was a reason for their 'break-up', but them not wanting the same thing and Jacob not having a clue was hinted big time in his convos.

But yeah, other than this one slip, the 'clean medical bill and most likely good looks as prereqs' do seem to support that she's honest about what she wants or doesn't want.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[philiposophy]

Yannkee wrote...

In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

I've only done LotSB with a Shepard romancing Liara so far, so I have a quick question because of this video:

Can you invite Liara back to the Normandy even if you're not romancing her? Or is this video from a playthrough where Liara was romanced in ME1, but Miranda was in ME2?

It's pretty neat to see Liara recognize Miranda as squad interactions (yes, I know Liara isn't a squadmate anymore) were somewhat lacking in ME2.

[Elyvern]

philiposophy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

I've only done LotSB with a Shepard romancing Liara so far, so I have a quick question because of this video:

Can you invite Liara back to the Normandy even if you're not romancing her? Or is this video from a playthrough where Liara was romanced in ME1, but Miranda was in ME2?

It's pretty neat to see Liara recognize Miranda as squad interactions (yes, I know Liara isn't a squadmate anymore) were somewhat lacking in ME2.

Yes, and no. My malesheps are all ME1 imports and have no LIs apart from Miranda, but the same encounter still takes place. And yes, it's great that there's a scene like that, although I honestly would've liked if there was acknowledgement earlier in the DLC, especially between Liara, Feron and Miri -- since the 3 of them basically moved the story in ME: Redemption.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

If Miranda decides to tell Shepard about her inability to have children, how do you think she will express it? Will she be emotional or detached about it?

A Shepard romancing Miranda most likely was supportive during the Oriana 'rescue' mission.

A Paragon Shep would most likely keep that streak going.

A Renegade/jerk Shep who gave her that 'no promises/better be worth it' line would bail ASAP.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[TheKillerAngel]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

If Miranda decides to tell Shepard about her inability to have children, how do you think she will express it? Will she be emotional or detached about it?

A Shepard romancing Miranda most likely was supportive during the Oriana 'rescue' mission.

A Paragon Shep would most likely keep that streak going.

A Renegade/jerk Shep who gave her that 'no promises/better be worth it' line would bail ASAP.

What I meant was whether Miranda would tell Shepard that she can't have kids with a straight face or with varying degrees of sadness.

[Elyvern]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

If Miranda decides to tell Shepard about her inability to have children, how do you think she will express it? Will she be emotional or detached about it?

There are SO MANY ways to solve her infertility problem (and I'm not even talking about adoption) that it's literally a non-issue. My take would likely be she'd start off detached and depending on whether she wanted kids or not, and/or how Shepard takes it, she could become emotional as they talk about it.

It's interesting how now two people (Kasumi & Liara) feel that Miranda (if she romances Shepard) becomes a more personable individual. I suppose you could factor that in your question as well.

[jtav]

I think it would depend on how long she's known and whether she's come to terms with it. If it's an old, well-healed would, she would be matter-of-fact. If she's still grieving over it, then she's likely to be more emotional. I think she would tend more towards a quiet melancholy myself. I don't see her bursting into tears.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

What I meant was whether Miranda would tell Shepard that she can't have kids with a straight face or with varying degrees of sadness.

Oh, sorry. Been browsing through several windows. I think I was answering to some other post and quoted in the wrong thread.

Anyway, I'd have to go with jtav, but I'll also add the variable of Shepard's alignment.

Odds are she'd be more honest/emotional with a supportive Paragon Shep.

Odds are she'd be more matter-of-fact with a jerk Renegade Shep.

[jtav]

There's also the variable for whether Shepard can have children. Somehow I doubt that was high on the list of priorities for Lazarus Project. A female Shepard's eggs would have died with her, and I don't know enough about sperm production to speculate about MaleShep.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

There's also the variable for whether Shepard can have children. Somehow I doubt that was high on the list of priorities for Lazarus Project. A female Shepard's eggs would have died with her, and I don't know enough about sperm production to speculate about MaleShep.

I take it as an article of faith when Miranda says "I do damn good work" regarding Shepard's reconstruction that she wouldn't leave poor Shepard unable to reproduce.

Medically speaking, it wouldn't be so hard either way. Just use stem cells to clone the afflicted organ -- ovaries or testes and then surgically attach them to the body without the dangers of organ rejection because the body's immune system would recognise the organs as one of its own. Same solution for Miranda's infertility. Realistically speaking, we could even see such an advancement in our lifetimes.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

TheKillerAngel wrote...



What I meant was whether Miranda would tell Shepard that she can't have kids with a straight face or with varying degrees of sadness.

Oh, sorry. Been browsing through several windows. I think I was answering to some other post and quoted in the wrong thread.



Anyway, I'd have to go with jtav, but I'll also add the variable of Shepard's alignment.



Odds are she'd be more honest/emotional with a supportive Paragon Shep. I'm not suggesting a crying-fest, but something like an admission that it does upset her.



As for a relationship with a Renegade Shep, odds are she'd be more matter-of-fact if just as a mechanism defense. Or, say, the usual beat of said relationship.

[Neria Rose]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

There's also the variable for whether Shepard can have children. Somehow I doubt that was high on the list of priorities for Lazarus Project. A female Shepard's eggs would have died with her, and I don't know enough about sperm production to speculate about MaleShep.

I take it as an article of faith when Miranda says "I do damn good work" regarding Shepard's reconstruction that she wouldn't leave poor Shepard unable to reproduce.

Medically speaking, it wouldn't be so hard either way. Just use stem cells to clone the afflicted organ -- ovaries or testes and then surgically attach them to the body without the dangers of organ rejection because the body's immune system would recognise the organs as one of its own. Same solution for Miranda's infertility. Realistically speaking, we could even see such an advancement in our lifetimes.

I'm sorry. I tried to stay out of your thread, I really did, seeing as how I'm not a Miranda fan. But I can't take it, I have to say something. Please clarify that you mean to clone the ovaries and then provide eggs afterward, because cloning an ovary on its own does little good. The eggs are cells entirely separate from the ovary. The ovary just houses them and matures them, but does not produce them. A woman is born with every single egg cell she will ever have.

Actually, here's a neat thing on gametogenesis in humans, if you're interested. I tried to find something from as legit a source as I could, but I didn't go past the first page on Google and this fits what I remember from my embryology and reproductive physiology courses (though reproduction is outside of my current field, so I am definitely rusty):

http://www.gfmer.ch/...metogenesis.htm

I'm not denying that stem cells could be used to produce eggs. In fact, it looks like it's being worked on right now:

http://humrep.oxford...t/21/4/857.full

I don't know the credibility nor the reputation of that journal and I only glanced through the article, but what I did read briefly was interesting.

Okay.. I apologize again. I needed to get that out of my system. I now respectfully leave you to your thread.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[jtav]

Something we may be overlooking: perhaps Miranda doesn't want to have a child via egg donor/cloning/what have you. It's obvious her genetic modification is something that upsets her. Assuming her creation wasn't a freak, most stripes of Christianity/Judaism/Islam are going to have serious issues with her existence, as will baseline organic groups. She's likely been called unnatural all her life. It could be that her desire to have a child is tied up with a desire to be less set apart from the human race and her infertility further confirms that she isn't like everyone else.

[TheKillerAngel]

jtav wrote...

Something we may be overlooking: perhaps Miranda doesn't want to have a child via egg donor/cloning/what have you. It's obvious her genetic modification is something that upsets her. Assuming her creation wasn't a freak, most stripes of Christianity/Judaism/Islam are going to have serious issues with her existence, as will baseline organic groups. She's likely been called unnatural all her life. It could be that her desire to have a child is tied up with a desire to be less set apart from the human race and her infertility further confirms that she isn't like everyone else.

At the same time, Miranda doesn't seem like the kind of woman who would take "no" for an answer. I think that if she really wanted kids, she'd get them regardless of how "natural" the means is.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[fongiel24]

I just finished LotSB (I went to the trouble of starting a completely new playthrough so yeah... LotSB actually took me about 8 hours to get to, and an additional 2 to complete). Thoughts upon finishing it...

1. Worth every penny. I would have honestly paid double the price (I would have b*tched about $20 DLC but LotSB was so polished and added so much to the base game that I would have sucked it up).

2. Why can't I take Liara with me? Maybe dump one of the other squadmates to make room... I would have even let her take Shepard's cabin and have Shepard sleep in the CIC .

3. If Miranda isn't a regular squadmate in ME3, I want her to have a questline like that. I wasn't a big fan of Liara before, but after LotSB I'm seeing her in a whole different light.

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

They acknowledged Redemption! Excuse me while I jump up and down!

Someone needs to write a fic about the conversation Miranda and Liara has onboard the Normandy SR2.  Any takers!?

I'm definitely going to include LotSB in my fic, but that's waaay down the road. It's too bad LotSB didn't include Liara/Miranda interaction - would have been really interesting to see how they greet each other after two years.

TheKillerAngel wrote...

If Miranda decides to tell
Shepard about her inability to have children, how do you think she will
express it? Will she be emotional or detached about it?

I'm inclined to believe she might actually break from her normal modus operandi and become emotional about it, with the caveat that she would only tell him after they'd been together for a while (at least a few months after ME2, possibly even longer).

As jtav suggested, it's possible that being able to have children "naturally" is an integral part of Miranda's attempts to find meaning in her creation and existence. For Miranda, it's not just having kids that's important - it's being able to conceive and have children "naturally". If she can start a family like "normal" humans, it makes her feel more like "one of us" instead of some freak coming out of a test tube. Being told she can't have children (if this condition was irreversible) would be a devastating blow.

As others have pointed out however, Miranda's problem sounds ridiculously easy to fix, so the issue might not even come up. Provided the neoplasm was benign, she may have chosen to forgo getting it fixed due to her having been too busy with her work and because she hasn't found someone she'd be interested in starting a family with.

jtav wrote...

There's also the variable for whether
Shepard can have children. Somehow I doubt that was high on the list of
priorities for Lazarus Project. A female Shepard's eggs would have died
with her, and I don't know enough about sperm production to speculate
about MaleShep.

My knowledge biology isn't fantastic, but I think the testes are essential for hormone production, particularly testosterone. The Lazarus Project would at least have to restore his testes' ability to produce male hormones or the entire project would fail. If Shepard's sperm was defective to start with though, the Lazarus Project may have accidentally recreated this problem as well in their quest to make Shepard exactly as he was before the Collector attack.

[Caihn]

philiposophy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

In the DLC, the things related to Miranda I really liked are the Oriana/Miri conversation and this :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ_mFGAfs0

I've only done LotSB with a Shepard romancing Liara so far, so I have a quick question because of this video:

Can you invite Liara back to the Normandy even if you're not romancing her? Or is this video from a playthrough where Liara was romanced in ME1, but Miranda was in ME2?

It's pretty neat to see Liara recognize Miranda as squad interactions (yes, I know Liara isn't a squadmate anymore) were somewhat lacking in ME2.

No romance in ME1, only Miranda in ME2.

You can invite Liara on the Normandy if you didn't romance her in ME1. I don't like it, the player should not be forced to invite her in Shepard private quarter to listen what she has to say about his current LI. This should take place on the SB ship.

What I liked :

- Shepard saying that he cares about Miranda. More lines like this one please Bioware !

- Liara saying that Shepard has changed Miranda. My Shepard could also respond that Miranda has changed him.

[Arijharn]

I like the LotSB in the sense that even though your Shephard may not be in love with Liara, she's still in love with him regardless and wishes him/her to be happy. That's very mature of her to be honest and my respect for her has grown (and I suppose Matchmaker Shephard will try to conspire to bring her together with Feron... as well as Kal'Reegar and Tali because those two definitely are carrying torches for each other...)



To be truthful though, the bastard streak in me wants Miranda to get a little jealous of the fact I was entertaining Liara in my private quarters, although Miranda should know that it's simple catch up between two old friends.

[Jebel Krong]

last batch of screenshots so far (end-game):

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[Elyvern]

Neria Rose wrote...

I'm sorry. I tried to stay out of your thread, I really did, seeing as how I'm not a Miranda fan. But I can't take it, I have to say something. Please clarify that you mean to clone the ovaries and then provide eggs afterward, because cloning an ovary on its own does little good. The eggs are cells entirely separate from the ovary. The ovary just houses them and matures them, but does not produce them. A woman is born with every single egg cell she will ever have.

Actually, here's a neat thing on gametogenesis in humans, if you're interested. I tried to find something from as legit a source as I could, but I didn't go past the first page on Google and this fits what I remember from my embryology and reproductive physiology courses (though reproduction is outside of my current field, so I am definitely rusty):

http://www.gfmer.ch/...metogenesis.htm

I'm not denying that stem cells could be used to produce eggs. In fact, it looks like it's being worked on right now:

http://humrep.oxford...t/21/4/857.full

I don't know the credibility nor the reputation of that journal and I only glanced through the article, but what I did read briefly was interesting.

Okay.. I apologize again. I needed to get that out of my system. I now respectfully leave you to your thread.

Thank you for the clarification.  But what you've said still goes to prove that Miranda's infertility issues aren't remotely insurmountable at all. I get that her dossier would make people more sympathetic to her (I know I am) but if we're talking about presenting a conundrum that juxtaposes how she's engineered to be perfect, but unable to reproduce, Bioware has really shot themselves in the foot. I couldn't help laughing when I read the part where the clinic suggests adoption as a solution. This is the 23rd century where bringing the dead back alive is just another medical procedure.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:34 .

[t3HPrO]

I think we Mirimancers knee-jerked big time. I mean, if you can raise a man from the dead, cure most diseases including cancer, genetically engineer people without any maternal genetic tissue, and essentially teleport across the whole f$*king galaxy, then I don't see why Miranda's infertility problem can't be cured. In fact, it's more of a 'speed bump' than a true obstacle. The d%ckhead who cooked this up at Bioware needs to do some serious damage control as it just won't make any sense going forward. In fact, I think Miri should b!^chslap the idiot doctor who said that she could only consider adoption, because it's actually curable. In fact, IRL, we're only a decade or so off curing infertility. But it's still sad that poor Miri has to put up with so much BS, including the fact she's gonna have problems conceiving unassisted.