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[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm with jtav on this one in that I want Miranda's infertility to be incurable. I realize that the way Bioware wrote it is clumsy in that it seems to be such an easily curable problem, but for story's sake I like the idea and the possibilities it presents, story-wise.

You don't want Miranda to have any children? Why? Or do you only not want her to get naturally pregnant? Or should she, in your opinion, only be able to have offspring by using her father's methods? I agree the latter would make an interesting story hook, but I'm adamantly against it - it would completely ruin the epilogue I envision. Not that it would necessarily involve any children either, not in the short term, anyway.

And, for meta-reasons, I'd take a bet it's not incurable.  

Well, the way it's written now, Miranda's problem is clearly curable so any ideas I have about it would be strictly non-canonical now (if we consider LotSB to be canon, which I do).

I haven't thought much about Miranda having children, tbh. My Miranda/Shepard fanon doesn't go that far and as I'm a pessimist when it comes to the viability of them even maintaing a longterm relationship, children never enter the picture. I guess I'd say I'm indifferent about Miranda having children.

By incurable, I mean having a completely natural conception. In my version of events, she's able to carry a child, but her ovum would have to be engineered (or borrowed from Oriana) as hers never developed properly due to the process through which her father made her a biotic. She'd also have to undergo hormonal treatments while she was pregnant as her body can't naturally adapt to pregnancy (for the same reasons as her defective ovum).

Basically, I'm trying to make conception as difficult as possible while maintaining Miranda's ability to carry a child. I think this last part would be very important for her as the idea of her children (or herself) being grown in a test tube is difficult for her to accept. I've never been pregnant (because I'm not a woman, amongst other reasons ) but I imagine carrying a child to term would also create a kind of mother-child bond that you can't experience with a child grown in a petri dish.

EDIT: AA for ATI cards

Elyvern wrote...

Nah, I'm using a ATI Radeon HD4800,
I think I'd have to edit the colaese.ini file or something. I read
somewhere it's tricky to turn on anti-aliasing for Unreal3d games.

Two ways to do this for ATI cards.

1. I'm not sure if the coalesced solution works, but  the setting you're looking for is MaxMultisamples under [SystemSettings]. The default is 1x here. That might fix your AA.

2. Use ATI's Catalyst Control Center. See this link: http://www.kickassto...nity/show/2616/

Modifié par fongiel24, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[Pacifien]

Hello! I just wanted to direct your attention for a moment to the new introduction to the forum with an outline of the purposes of this forum now that it has been separated from the strategy discussion.

You have discussion of your favorite character going fairly well, but I'd also encourage you guys to present any fan-created works about the series to your other forumites!

[FishAssassin]

I'm going to assume that all of the dossiers were canon. There was way too much valuable info that correlated with what we've been told in-game and gave so much depth to different characters for it not to be. I personally enjoyed all of the dossiers. Yes, almost every single dossier had some sort of humorous text but every single one had at least one message that contained some very personal information that Shepard would have otherwise not found out about. Miranda's "dating" history was defintely meant to be ambiguous. The fact that all of the individulals she had contact with resided on worlds where Normandy docked at some point was interesting. I consider Miranda's medical condition to be very literal and canon.

"I don't know what Bioware intended here, but it should be easily overcome with 22nd century medical technology."

It states very plainly in the message from the medical institute that they don't know what is causing the tumor and that it could have something to do with her genetic make-up. Miranda is a pretty unique case in that her father obviously screwed with her DNA to the extent that it caused long term effects. I doubt many medical proffesionals would be realistically able to deal with such a complex case even in the future. We don't live in the Mass Effect U so it's not really fair to say this or that should be possible.

My question would be: If Miranda and Shepard were to get married and want a child couldn't Miranda's sister Orianna just donate her eggs and use Shepards sperm? I mean, she is a perfect replica of Miranda w/o all the genetic enhancement. (I didn't read through this whole thread so idk if anyone's brought this up).

Modifié par FishAssassin, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[jtav]

Well, if the problem is genetic, then Oriana would have to same problem as they've had the same genetic enhancements Oriana is Miranda's identical twin. There may or may not be some treatment available, but I would be very cautious in just assuming that she'd ever be able to conceive naturally. It may be possible, but it isn't necessarily possible. It may be that Miranda's condition is unusual in some way because of her genetic tailoring. standard twenty-second century medical treatments may not work, or they may have unpleasant side effects. Or it may be fairly easily curable. I doubt that because of the phrasing of the letter, but it may just be another case of Bioware failing biology forever. We don't know. I'd prefer the FAQ stick to what's in the game and keep speculation to a minimum.

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Don't you think the style is too satirical, to exaggerated into the stereotypical, and obviously so, to be taken *completely* seriously?

It is funny yes, but I don't think satirical enough to be dismissed, if that makes any sense, if only because I don't really think someone being infertile to be a funny matter (I know that's not what you meant, but I think in your arguments it can be inferred towards something like this. When you say a line like: 'All in all, I don't think we're supposed to take the information in the dossier literally.' and 'her online behaviour, the suggestion of adoption, psychological advice or support groups as "solution" for her problem instead of more realistic medical procedures.' because while I admit I've never actually been in a situation like that, I would imagine that as the case may be at the moment, those are realistic methods. I would imagine being told by a doctor that you are unable to conceive to be akin to a body blow -- and all sorts of psychological issues might come up, even if you are an intellectual person I think it plausible to think that maybe Miranda might ask herself if it's her fault etc).

I find it incredibly doubtful that Miranda would ask Oriana for assistance anyway, because Miranda to her mind is supposed to be looking out for Oriana, not the other way around for one and two, because Oriana is only 19 years old.

As to your topic about how you wouldn't think Miranda would be socially awkward with Oriana because you'd think she'd be a consummate actress I'm inclined to agree, but consider this spin:
• Oriana now knows about her.
• Miranda is terrified by the idea of 'stuffing it up' with Oriana because other than maleshep, Oriana is the one thing she loves and values beyond all else.
• She has suddenly found herself thrust into a situation that she herself doesn't really have all that knowledge about. (I wonder how Miranda really grew up while she was outside her fathers shadow, she was with Cerberus but she still had Niket at the time).

To change the subject though slightly Ieldra, I agree with you in that I want her infertility cured. I think the journey with her and attempting to persuade her during this would prove just how strong their relationship is, and considering I doubt Shephard will come out of this whole Reaper menace thing unscathed in some way, a relationship will probably (for a RP perspective at least) give cause to ground his motivation. To make it more real to him and help him understand what could be at stake moreso than simply doing things because he's essentially a god. Again, it would be exemplified if Miranda conceives at some time during the apex of their struggle.

[FishAssassin]

jtav wrote...

Well, if the problem is genetic, then Oriana would have to same problem as they've had the same genetic enhancements Oriana is Miranda's identical twin. There may or may not be some treatment available, but I would be very cautious in just assuming that she'd ever be able to conceive naturally. It may be possible, but it isn't necessarily possible. It may be that Miranda's condition is unusual in some way because of her genetic tailoring. standard twenty-second century medical treatments may not work, or they may have unpleasant side effects. Or it may be fairly easily curable. I doubt that because of the phrasing of the letter, but it may just be another case of Bioware failing biology forever. We don't know. I'd prefer the FAQ stick to what's in the game and keep speculation to a minimum.

Ok this is the part where I was a bit unsure. I thought there was some sort of dialogue between Miranda and Shep where Miranda said something around the lines that she was a perfect clone except... something. I was under the impression that she didn't recieve the same enhancements(for some reason). Makes more sense that she would considering what their father is like.

I kind of hope that there is some fix to it or something in ME3 just b/c Miranda is my LI right now. I'd really like to see them happy and w/ child (not that you can't be happy w/o children) but still... I'll probably go back and choose Jack and Tali in different saves as well just to see what happens in ME3 but I really like Miranda. 

[jtav]

I can't believe it. I've completed a Shepard/Miranda story that is unapologetically a romance. Shepard is even a nice guy. Actually, the revelation about Miranda's infertility has given me an urge to write "Trying to be supportive but secretly devastated" Shepard dealing with all this. It's made me like both of them more.

[Aedan_Cousland]

jtav wrote...

Really I'm getting more annoyed by all the accusations that she's a sl*t. She seems to have been fairly discerning and careful even when she just wanted no-strings attached sex. It seems I was more or less right with my assumptions re: her sexual practices, though I never thought about dating services.

The revelation that Miranda was using an online dating service to pick up men for casual sex was totally in keeping with her character. I don't understand why anyone would romance Miranda with their Shepard, and expect that she was as virginal as Liara or Tali before they met.  Besides the fact that Miranda was presented as a 35 year old femme fatale, the sex scene in the engine room should have been a tip off that it wasn't Miranda's first time.

I hope Bioware also writes in some backstory for Ashley, Liara, and Kaiden where they had a relationship or two (or casual flings) in those two years that Shepard was dead. It's just a lot more realistic than having them be as chaste as monks or nuns when their former lover was dead. Nerd rage be damned, I say.

[fongiel24]

I actually found the virginal aspect of Tali and Liara to be a little disturbing. The idea that Shepard is going around the galaxy deflowering virgins is a tad creepy to me. It was refreshing to have Miranda as an LI, a more experienced woman who actually knows her way around the bedroom. I've never understood the fascination with virginity anyways.



Concerning Miranda's awkwardness when dealing with her sister... I don't think being a consummate actress would change anything because I think Miranda wants a real relationship with Oriana, not a relationship where she has to lie and pretend. She really doesn't have very much experience in this regard, dealing with people she genuinely cares about.

[sniper1250]

Another thought occurred to me while reading up on the discussion here. What if the infertility is also a part of the genetic tailoring? What if it was also a fail-safe for Miranda and her sisters in case they "escaped"? If you were going for a dynasty then you wouldn't want illegitimate family members mucking up the social scene for your chosen heir/heiress by existing when they aren't supposed to. So you pre-program something to come up when they're fairly young, say in their teens or twenties, and if they're still worth keeping around then you tell them to see a doctor and it's treated and everything keeps going according to plan. Otherwise they don't see a doctor as often for routine checkups (being on the run from you and all) and end up not getting it early and becoming sterile. A contingency for every event, in this case a runaway heiress. I don't think this scenario could work quite the same way for an heir, but I'm also not a medical doctor so it's all magic to me.

I think this theory is more credible than that last one. Thoughts?

[Arijharn]

I think it could be possible for her father to put in a ticking time bomb to infertility in her, but the chances of it being undetected for so long seems a bit far fetched in my opinion. I wonder if it could just be sheer bad luck that she's (presently?) infertile.



As an aside, does anyone else suspect that Miranda's father is the one with perhaps the controlling share within the Eldfell-Ashland energy consortium? Consider the extranet look ups she's made, the fact that the owners of Eldfell-Ashland are ridiculously wealthy (and human). I originally thought that perhaps her father was a controller/owner of a company with sizeable interests in the Alliance military-industrial complex, but considering just how much subtle information is given with Eldfell, I'm leaning towards the other direction now.

[Elyvern]

FishAssassin wrote...

My question would be: If Miranda and Shepard were to get married and want a child couldn't Miranda's sister Orianna just donate her eggs and use Shepards sperm? I mean, she is a perfect replica of Miranda w/o all the genetic enhancement. (I didn't read through this whole thread so idk if anyone's brought this up).

It's never stated outright that the "irregularity" with Miranda's genetic makeup is entirely the fault of her father's, only that it exists. Things like post-natal exposure to mutagenic materials can also contribute to genes becoming faulty for example. And yes, technically, Oriana would be able to donate ova because Miranda says they are genetic twins. I think the part you forgot is when she says they are genetical identical, except Miranda is 16 years older than Oriana.

[Elyvern]

fongiel24 wrote...

I actually found the virginal aspect of Tali and Liara to be a little disturbing. The idea that Shepard is going around the galaxy deflowering virgins is a tad creepy to me. It was refreshing to have Miranda as an LI, a more experienced woman who actually knows her way around the bedroom. I've never understood the fascination with virginity anyways.

Concerning Miranda's awkwardness when dealing with her sister... I don't think being a consummate actress would change anything because I think Miranda wants a real relationship with Oriana, not a relationship where she has to lie and pretend. She really doesn't have very much experience in this regard, dealing with people she genuinely cares about.

@fongiel - wholeheartedly agree on the first point. And thanks for the info on ATI cards.

I'm of the opposite mentality about Miranda being a consummate actress though. I like alot of things about her, but the thing that attracts me most is her outright bluntness and refusal to lie or sugarcoat her words even when the situation calls for it. It has earned her alot of detractors (witness the thread about her leadership abilities for example), with accusations that she has no people skills, is a cold-hearted b-itch, lacks respect for others, etc. To me, what you see with her is what you get, and it's refreshing considering that she is physically and mentally capable of subterfuge if she chooses.

I chalk it down to the fact that she has no peer interaction in her childhood (apart from Niket), and because of her father's restrictions, very little social interaction. Her years in Cerberus was probably spent accomplishing missions and attempting to achieve a sense of self-worth in that she's not just her father's creation. All of which leaves her very little time and possibly little inclination to rectify the lack of social skills.

So I'd say yes, she doesn't have much experience dealing with people she cares about or even people in general. It's entirely possible that she'd never saw the need to before either.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Haven't finished playing LOTSB so can't really take part in the descussion, but thought I should let you guys know that a new chapter of my fanfic is up, Foundation.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6251909/5/

Modifié par Breakdown Boy, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Elyvern]

Arijharn wrote...

I think it could be possible for her father to put in a ticking time bomb to infertility in her, but the chances of it being undetected for so long seems a bit far fetched in my opinion. I wonder if it could just be sheer bad luck that she's (presently?) infertile.

@sniper too.
Well, her father wants a "dynasty", but it's really vague as to what kind of dynasty, and whether the ability to reproduce would be crucial to his goals. One of my pet theories is he's trying to create genetic biotics, but again he could choose to make his daughters sterile to better control them or make them fertile so it's easier to disperse the genetic "gift". The problem is without more clarification about the "dynasty" part, it's really impossible to draw conclusions--so any theory that conforms to existing facts holds water.

As an aside, does anyone else suspect that Miranda's father is the one with perhaps the controlling share within the Eldfell-Ashland energy consortium? Consider the extranet look ups she's made, the fact that the owners of Eldfell-Ashland are ridiculously wealthy (and human). I originally thought that perhaps her father was a controller/owner of a company with sizeable interests in the Alliance military-industrial complex, but considering just how much subtle information is given with Eldfell, I'm leaning towards the other direction now.

Yes, it was raised in another thread. If you follow up on Cerberus's daily news, you'd find that Ashland's daughter Aish Ashland is the Paris Hilton of ME universe. There is little information about Eldfell though. It's true that EDI did say that Cerberus has major backers in the Alliance industrial complex and Miranda's father used to contribute generously to their cause. But the information is side-line enough that Miranda's father may possibly be Eldfell.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

Posting pics from my LotSB playthrough!

EDIT: I should really learn how to turn on anti-aliasing in the game. Tips would be appreciated!



Woo, she says one line!

nice. film grain doesn't help with aliasing though - the rougher images just look worse (besides artistically you can add grain back in a whole lot easier than you can take it out, when producing screenshots/artworks).

i still don't think the dossier's are exactly 'canon' - for one not everyone gets the dlc, so it's not a main-game revelation. also a lot of them are too jokey/throw-away in nature to be taken seriously - i mean on one hand you're saving the galaxy but in the meantime grunt is reading fornax?

[Arijharn]

I don't know, I think they are canon for the simple reason that it gives extra 'reward' for those who actually get the DLC. I would imagine that it could be raised at some point during ME3 again (perhaps Miranda tells you, perhaps the game can look into your ME2 history and say: "Oh yes, this person has read the dossiers" (because I'm pretty damn sure it autosaves at this point) and make conversational changes if necessary.)



Whether Miranda's sterility can be 'fixed' or not is irrelevant in my opinion, either way she, as a character, has been enriched.

[Ieldra]

Phew....a lot of stuff added while I was sleeping. You know, I'm not convinced that somewhere in Edmonton, some Bioware writer isn't sitting at his desk at this moment, shaking his head or laughing his head off at the avalanche of debate he's kicked off by his clearly satirical dossier entry.

Why Miranda's infertility should be considered reversible:

The findings:
While the doctors don't know what exactly causes it (that's very common, almost the default condition with tumors and usually doesn't preclude treatment), the actual problem is a "benign neoplasm". That doesn't leave much room for interpretation: by definition it doesn't destroy tissue and doesn't metastasize. Most tumors of this kind only cause mechanical problems (if at all) which go away after it's removed. Some may cause chemical imbalances, which also vanish after it's removed. Removal by surgery is almost certainly unproblematic exactly because it's a benign tumor.
If they'd wanted to create a *real* problem for Miranda, consider this scenario: Miranda is diagnosed with ovarian cancer which at the time of diagnosis, has already destroyed most of her egg cells. There are treatments available in the 22dn century resulting in an almost 100% remission rate (today it's about 50% IIRC), but they would include destroy the remaining egg cells and/or include removal of the ovaries. To leave a loophole open, let's say there is the possibility some egg cells could be saved and preserved in cryostasis for further use, but there's no guarantee. Plausible result given 22nd century medtech: no pregnancy without IV fertilisation and heavy hormone treatments (I don't know if there is any way to circumvent this in the present. I'd say no, but reproductive medicine has made some impressive advances in recent years).

Phrasing of the findings:
The doctor writes that the neoplasms progressive growth renders her unable to conceive a child. The phrasing leaves unclear whether or not it's already progressed past that point.

Meta-reasoning:
There are four parts to this.
(1) For all the other characters, you'll get a number of interesting and personality-definining pieces of information. They change our perception of the characters but are insignificant in the long run. Why would they want to single out Miranda for another really big personal problem?
(2) I don't think the BW people would want to deprive those players who want Miranda and Shepard to have children of their preferred endings. With the existing romances, the opportunities for our OTPs to have children are limited enough.
(3) LotSB is an optional DLC. Everyone's personal storyline must make sense without LotSB. One of the underlying causes of (1).
(4) If your Shepard is in a romance with Miranda, she asks "What do you fight for? The future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Ms.Lawson?" In my eyes, this is a tacit aknowledgement of the fact that Miranda is not just an extremely interesting character, but a symbol. This status does not require her to have any children, but it does require her to be a fully biologically functional human woman and have children if she wants.

Incompetent doctors? Or incompetent Bioware?
This is about the doctor suggesting adoption as the only "solution", and pointing to support groups to discuss the problem. In the light of the findings, I can only interpret this as a joke. Things would have to be quite a lot more serious before any other option is ruled out, even today. Now, Bioware+biology (the irony!) usually results in "epic fail", so I wouldn't rule it out that the intention was to create a serious problem, only the meta-reasoning goes against this. Perhaps that doctor is a dectractor of reproductive medicine, or he's incompetent, I don't know. What I do know is that things within the dossier entry don't add up.

Intended genetic infertility
This scenario - that her father has built a progressive infertility problem into her genes as a failsafe - has some plausibility. But as already posted by Arijharn, it'd be a rather poor one, depending on a certain kind of behavior (not doing regular medical checkups) for success.

Summary:
As I see it, the only evidence we have that Miranda's infertility is a serious problem is that the doctor only recommends adoption as "solution". In the light of everything else, that's pretty flimsy. All the speculation I've seen - more or less probably - rests on the assumption that the doctor listed all possible solutions to the problem in the first place, and that we're supposed to take all this at face value (which I personally find very hard).

My personal concern is twofold: I do not want the decision about having a child or not to be taken from Miranda. I also find a sense of balance in envisioning that Mr.Lawson, while following his own personal visions of genetic exclusivity, might have created a "Human V2.0" whose traits will eventually make their way into the human population at large, as one kind of "advancement of humanity" nobody would be able to put off as undesirable.  For that reason, I want both Miranda and Oriana - and any other sisters should they still exist - to have no genetic flaws that could result in fertility problems. And I really don't care how Bioware will reverse/undo/cure the condition or make it meaningless. I'm very much Renegade in this: only the result matters.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[Elyvern]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...

Phew....a lot of stuff added while I was sleeping. You know, I'm not convinced that somewhere in Edmonton, some Bioware writer isn't sitting at his desk at this moment, shaking his head or laughing his head off at the avalanche of debate he's kicked off by his clearly satirical dossier entry.
[/quote]

I applaud your medical hypothesis which makes far more sense if we want to talk about giving Miranda a proper problem. But like another poster said on the thread about her dossier, Bioware probably forgot that fans would descend on minutae and tear it apart like a carcass. Personally, I was getting to the point where I was trying to infer things from the timestamps in Miranda's chat transcript with her sister when I decided I really had to stop.

[quote]
Meta-reasoning:
There are four parts to this.
(1) For all the other characters, you'll get a number of interesting and personality-definining pieces of information. They change our perception of the characters but are insignificant in the long run. Why would they want to single out Miranda for another really big personal problem?
(2) I don't think the BW people would want to deprive those players who want Miranda and Shepard to have children of their preferred endings. With the existing romances, the opportunities for our OTPs to have children are limited enough.
(3) LotSB is an optional DLC. Everyone's personal storyline must make sense without LotSB. One of the underlying causes of (1).
(4) If your Shepard is in a romance with Miranda, she asks "What do you fight for? The future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Ms.Lawson?" In my eyes, this is a tacit aknowledgement of the fact that Miranda is not just an extremely interesting character, but a symbol. This status does not require her to have any children, but it does require her to be a fully biologically functional human woman and have children if she wants.
[/quote]

Right now, meta-reasoning seem to hold most hope (for those that want Miranda & Shepard to have kids). As many people have pointed out in the LotSB thread, the conversation with Liara in Shepard's cabin is the only one in both games that talks about Shepard's hopes for the future and possibly looking at a life post-reapers. I found it disconcerting that if Liara is a LI, Shepard basically says the line about making blue babies. I didn't imagine Bioware would acknowledge something that amounts to fan service and wish-fulfilment, but If Bioware acknowledges that, what does that leave for Shepards with human partners? In the pursuit of "fairness", I hope there is a canon explanation and solution to Miranda's infertility in ME3.

[quote]
My personal concern is twofold: I do not want the decision about having a child or not to be taken from Miranda. I also find a sense of balance in envisioning that Mr.Lawson, while following his own personal visions of genetic exclusivity, might have created a "Human V2.0" whose traits will eventually make their way into the human population at large, as one kind of "advancement of humanity" nobody would be able to put off as undesirable.  For that reason, I want both Miranda and Oriana - and any other sisters should they still exist - to have no genetic flaws that could result in fertility problems. And I really don't care how Bioware will reverse/undo/cure the condition or make it meaningless. I'm very much Renegade in this: only the result matters.[/quote]
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Seconded totally.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Arijharn]

You didn't post nearly enough for a response Ieldra (I'm not taking the mickey either just to be clear, I like reading your rebuttals so much I wish there was more...)



Personally I think the BioWare writer responsible for Miranda's dossier knew full well what he was getting us into. Debate at any level is interesting because it helps them understand just how successful a character/event is (I know for a fact that they are rather pleased with themselves with the ever going debate between Cerberus supporters and their opposition).



It's amazing just how humanising and how sympathetic people have become for Miranda's character after reading that she's infertile. Even people who dislike her feel like they should give her a tight squeeze of sympathy.



It sounds twisted I suppose, but by making Miranda infertile I think that her dossier has become the 'best' on multiple levels and is the most realistic of them all. Something that hits you the hardest and affects everyone (the second would probably be Jacqueline's in my opinion). I think it's exactly because it's the most realistic then it should be considered 'canon.' I would say all of them are canon therefore (to keep consistency) but because of limitations perhaps, the others are played more for laughs than true insight (Grunt's, Legions etc).

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
You didn't post nearly enough for a response Ieldra (I'm not taking the mickey either just to be clear, I like reading your rebuttals so much I wish there was more...)

I'd post a hundred times that if I thought it would make Bioware consider her condition reversible. I could live with it being not reversible as long it was neither a genetic one or caused by her biotics implants. But not without complaining about it until my rants come out of everyone's ears.

Personally I think the BioWare writer responsible for Miranda's dossier knew full well what he was getting us into. Debate at any level is interesting because it helps them understand just how successful a character/event is (I know for a fact that they are rather pleased with themselves with the ever going debate between Cerberus supporters and their opposition).

I suspect you may be right. With our reputation as an unpleasable fanbase, I doubt very much that any Bioware writer doesn't think about forum response. Whether they thought about biology, that's another matter.

It's amazing just how humanising and how sympathetic people have become for Miranda's character after reading that she's infertile. Even people who dislike her feel like they should give her a tight squeeze of sympathy.

Yeah, it's annoying. Suddenly everyone discovers there's some empathy for her after all, as if this alone makes her likeable at last. I have no respect at all for such a stance. Grrr. ***fumes****

It sounds twisted I suppose, but by making Miranda infertile I think that her dossier has become the 'best' on multiple levels and is the most realistic of them all. Something that hits you the hardest and affects everyone (the second would probably be Jacqueline's in my opinion). I think it's exactly because it's the most realistic then it should be considered 'canon.' I would say all of them are canon therefore (to keep consistency) but because of limitations perhaps, the others are played more for laughs than true insight (Grunt's, Legions etc).

It's has the most impact because it gives information that isn't inconsequential in the long run. For that reason, it's also the worst as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:16 .

[Jebel Krong]

i think most people are reading too much into any implications of the "infertility subject" - it will probably not even be touched upon again, in me3....

anyway my latest wallpaper, if anyone's interested:

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[Arijharn]

That's a pretty awesome wallpaper... but honestly how could anyone be attracted to someone who has such a severe case of dermatitis and glowing red eyes?

Ieldra wrote...
Yeah, it's annoying. Suddenly everyone discovers there's some empathy for her after all, as if this alone makes her likeable at last. I have no respect at all for such a stance. Grrr. ***fumes****

I disagree, I think it is if anything a good sign if people like a character more. It may seem perhaps a cheap grab at extra attention, but this is a real issue in the real world and by incorporating it, I think they make the characters more believable, and in the case of Miranda more human (which is a little ridiculous, although we may be looking at it with rose-tinted glasses).

If anything, I wish we got an extra dossier entry from her if she's our current LI like Thane's if he was the LI for Shephard, but I guess that was too much to wish for.

Modifié par Arijharn, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[jtav]

Objection, Ieldra. There's nothing wrong with feeling an upsurge in sympathy because of this revelation. It made me like her more. I always found her intriguing, but now I can relate to her. I always thought she was a tragic figure, and now it's obvious. I like this development, even though it breaks my heart.

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

That's a pretty awesome wallpaper... but honestly how could anyone be attracted to someone who has such a severe case of dermatitis and glowing red eyes?

thanks  and renegade baby - how could anyone resist?!