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[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

That's a pretty awesome wallpaper... but honestly how could anyone be attracted to someone who has such a severe case of dermatitis and glowing red eyes?

thanks  and renegade baby - how could anyone resist?! 

How could someone not back away slowly from someone who has angry glowing red eyes? Don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Objection, Ieldra. There's nothing wrong with feeling an upsurge in sympathy because of this revelation. It made me like her more. I always found her intriguing, but now I can relate to her. I always thought she was a tragic figure, and now it's obvious. I like this development, even though it breaks my heart.

I do not want her to be a tragic figure. I'd make my Shepard one first. I can't express how much I hate this development. Do you recall how you said you fear what they'll do with her in ME3. Well, that's how I feel now. My anticipation has taken a serious plunge. I must tell myself they won't make it irreversible, or I'll be unable to write another line of fanfic about her (no, my fanfics don't feature children, they don't even touch on fertility. Doesn't matter). 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:39 .

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Objection, Ieldra. There's nothing wrong with feeling an upsurge in sympathy because of this revelation. It made me like her more. I always found her intriguing, but now I can relate to her. I always thought she was a tragic figure, and now it's obvious. I like this development, even though it breaks my heart.

I do not want her to be a tragic figure. I'd make my Shepard one first. I can't express how much I hate this development. Do you recall how you said you fear what they'll do with her in ME3. Well, that's how I feel now. My anticipation has taken a serious plunge. 

Think of it as an opportunity!

If we are to assume that male Shephard has successfully bludgeoned his way through her frosty exterior (well, she wasn't really cold but you know what I mean) then he has the opportunity to show just how much of a pillar of support he is to her, which (call me a sap if you want) I find to be rather... romantic (I may just have to give up my 'man card' now)

Of course, I'd like someone to help sometimes with Shephard's problems (and lets face it, Shephard is sorely in need of some character development) and the way he can communicate to Miranda his thoughts of this situation can indirectly influence this since this isn't storyline, this is Shephard as a human being (well, he could more accurately be called a transhuman nowadays I suppose).

Sure I'd like to see the light at the end of the rainbow though, it would be a bit of a bummer if Shephard manages to save the galaxy from existential threat and not be able to add to it with his love, but...

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Objection, Ieldra. There's nothing wrong with feeling an upsurge in sympathy because of this revelation. It made me like her more. I always found her intriguing, but now I can relate to her. I always thought she was a tragic figure, and now it's obvious. I like this development, even though it breaks my heart.

I do not want her to be a tragic figure. I'd make my Shepard one first. I can't express how much I hate this development. Do you recall how you said you fear what they'll do with her in ME3. Well, that's how I feel now. My anticipation has taken a serious plunge. I must tell myself they won't make it irreversible, or I'll be unable to write another line of fanfic about her (no, my fanfics don't feature children, they don't even touch on fertility. Doesn't matter). 

i know what you mean here: shepard should be the tragic figure - and he often is - precisely to prevent others from having to be.

[jtav]

And I'm feeling slightly more confident--provided her warming up in the romance doesn't mean she loses her competence. I don't know if you noticed, but I was doing the same kind of thing when I said she might have chronic pain issues from the implants. I suspect my feeling on the morality of her creation in the first place are also playing a role. I'm not a transhumanist, and I never saw her or the methods used to create her as the future of humanity.

[Ieldra]

Well, I can only hope that what Liara says to Shepard is a better indication of what's to come than the dossier, which is, after all, ambivalent enough in several aspects. Maybe we get a choice to influence the outcome in some way. That would satisfy everyone, wouldn't it?



But I have to say, I'm finding myself more and more inclined to a Cerberus ending of ME3....

[Arijharn]

Honestly I don't think Shephard is really going to have a happily ever ending. He's making too many enemies either way really.



Sure, he'll be untouchable before the Reapers turn up, but I imagine that for a full paragon player at the end of his victory celebrations he may take a Cerberus sniper bullet to the head (and for the Renegade, perhaps an ex-Spectre?)



I'd like to see however what would happen during ME3 if you destroyed the Collector Base, as we've discussed in the past it seems so unlikely that Miranda wouldn't get reprisals of some form and that'd be just another level of personal anguish she'd receive.

[Caihn]

I think the player will always have the choice of the ending. Bioware won't force the player to have a happy or a dramatic ending.

Personally I want a happy ending for Shepard & Miranda. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
They both went through difficult times, I think they deserve some happiness.

Modifié par Yannkee, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:22 .

[Jebel Krong]

i'm sure there will be a "heroic death" ending, a "survivor-but-everybody-else-dies" ending and a "happy ending" available.

[jtav]

I'm opting for heroic death, though I'm no longer actively rooting for it. This is making me warm up to Shep as well.

[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i'm sure there will be a "heroic death" ending, a "survivor-but-everybody-else-dies" ending and a "happy ending" available.

That has got to be the mother of all critical mission failures...

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

i'm sure there will be a "heroic death" ending, a "survivor-but-everybody-else-dies" ending and a "happy ending" available.

That has got to be the mother of all critical mission failures...

lol. i meant of course: you win, save the galaxy and the majority of beings, but your squad/ship/fleets/planets/solar systems etc all die in large numbers.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Well, I can only hope that what Liara says to Shepard is a better indication of what's to come than the dossier, which is, after all, ambivalent enough in several aspects. Maybe we get a choice to influence the outcome in some way. That would satisfy everyone, wouldn't it?

But I have to say, I'm finding myself more and more inclined to a Cerberus ending of ME3....

I'm actually thinking a Cerberus ending is less and less likely.

With Liara as the Shadow Broker, TIM isn't neccessary anymore as a source of information. What is creeping into my mind now is it looks very likely Liara will definitely not be one of the squadmates in ME3; instead she's probably play supporting role, even if it's a strong one. And if this happens to Liara, it's likelier than ever Bioware could make Miranda take over Cerberus, playing a similar role assisting Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.

I...honestly don't know if I would be satisfied if we can only interact with Miranda in the duration equivalent to a DLC.

[Arijharn]

Just try to imagine such a soul crushing despair that would envelope you if you literally were the sole survivor out of everything.



To be honest, I'd probably be weak and suicide if I knew that to be true without a shadow of doubt. If Miranda's with me I'd be like: "Adam and Eve?" (No wait, as entertaining that would be initially I can see genetic diversity evaporating as quickly as snow in a desert... of sand)

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

Just try to imagine such a soul crushing despair that would envelope you if you literally were the sole survivor out of everything.

To be honest, I'd probably be weak and suicide if I knew that to be true without a shadow of doubt. If Miranda's with me I'd be like: "Adam and Eve?" (No wait, as entertaining that would be initially I can see genetic diversity evaporating as quickly as snow in a desert... of sand)

well... there's always the yahg. 

[Arijharn]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Well, I can only hope that what Liara says to Shepard is a better indication of what's to come than the dossier, which is, after all, ambivalent enough in several aspects. Maybe we get a choice to influence the outcome in some way. That would satisfy everyone, wouldn't it?

But I have to say, I'm finding myself more and more inclined to a Cerberus ending of ME3....

I'm actually thinking a Cerberus ending is less and less likely.

With Liara as the Shadow Broker, TIM isn't neccessary anymore as a source of information. What is creeping into my mind now is it looks very likely Liara will definitely not be one of the squadmates in ME3; instead she's probably play supporting role, even if it's a strong one. And if this happens to Liara, it's likelier than ever Bioware could make Miranda take over Cerberus, playing a similar role assisting Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.

I...honestly don't know if I would be satisfied if we can only interact with Miranda in the duration equivalent to a DLC.

I think it's unlikely that Wrex and Liara would be crew mates come ME3 because of other commitments. In a strange way I don't necessarily see Kaidan returning either if he survived because he now technically outranks you being a staff commander (although you'd still be interacting with him in some capacity, unless you could pull the 'Spectre' card on him or appealing to the sense of friendship and urgency of the Reapers). I can see Ashley returning in any case simply because she is 'merely' an Operations Chief (high enlisted rank although still not an officer).

Funnily enough, I see ME2 characters largely returning as squadmates (although not having a 'mission critical' type role, but maybe offering an easier avenue into gaining mission critical objectives. Say; Grunt's survival might ease transition to Urdnot Wreav accepting you as a Warlord, or Miranda's father might make an Alliance acquisition easier to obtain). I'd also see some degree of replacing dead ME2 characters with some rough replacement (Kal'Reegar for Tali or as a soldier). Or characters from the novels/books making some impact (Kai Leng?)

I have to admit though, after the rapport created during recruitment of your characters in ME2 and building up their loyalty (and romance in case of the sexy Miranda) I'd have to agree that I wouldn't be satisfied if Miranda is relegated to a bit role in some DLC.

[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Just try to imagine such a soul crushing despair that would envelope you if you literally were the sole survivor out of everything.

To be honest, I'd probably be weak and suicide if I knew that to be true without a shadow of doubt. If Miranda's with me I'd be like: "Adam and Eve?" (No wait, as entertaining that would be initially I can see genetic diversity evaporating as quickly as snow in a desert... of sand)

well... there's always the yahg. 

"Yahg" that's the keyword. Vocalise it as if it was a pirate saying but said only during times of frightened nerves. "Yahg, a Krogan is charging at me!"

[jtav]

Just played Miranda's LM on PC for the first time. On a petty note, wow she looks gorgeous on PC, much better than console. I must be a very stereotypical PC gamer because my heart feels like it's been ripped out and stepped on. I know she can take care of herself but I just want to hug her and tell her everything will be okay and that she can have a proper family with Oriana. And Shepard, in this game. I think Kyle is already mentally  picturing happily ever after. And plotting ways to murder her father for daring to hurt her.

[Elyvern]

Arijharn wrote...

I think it's unlikely that Wrex and Liara would be crew mates come ME3 because of other commitments. In a strange way I don't necessarily see Kaidan returning either if he survived because he now technically outranks you being a staff commander (although you'd still be interacting with him in some capacity, unless you could pull the 'Spectre' card on him or appealing to the sense of friendship and urgency of the Reapers). I can see Ashley returning in any case simply because she is 'merely' an Operations Chief (high enlisted rank although still not an officer).

Funnily enough, I see ME2 characters largely returning as squadmates (although not having a 'mission critical' type role, but maybe offering an easier avenue into gaining mission critical objectives. Say; Grunt's survival might ease transition to Urdnot Wreav accepting you as a Warlord, or Miranda's father might make an Alliance acquisition easier to obtain). I'd also see some degree of replacing dead ME2 characters with some rough replacement (Kal'Reegar for Tali or as a soldier). Or characters from the novels/books making some impact (Kai Leng?)

I have to admit though, after the rapport created during recruitment of your characters in ME2 and building up their loyalty (and romance in case of the sexy Miranda) I'd have to agree that I wouldn't be satisfied if Miranda is relegated to a bit role in some DLC.

I must clarify that I actually like the fact that with Liara as the Shadow Broker, it means Shepard has another LI who is arguably his/her equal; no longer a rookie member of his squad, or inhabiting a subordinate's role. Effectively, Liara is now on par status-wise with Shepard -- similar to how Miranda is currently.

I, personally, would love it if Miranda takes over Cerberus and assists Shepard in the same capacity. I love Miranda as a squadmate, and of course, whatever she sets her mind to do, she does it perfectly. But I cannot shake off the feeling that it's a waste of her talents. She'd be better off in similar position of command and power like Liara, even though that would likely mean she becomes a supporting character in ME3. Why can't we have our cake and eat it?

[jtav]

I'm all for Miranda taking over Cerberus. This might get me lynched, but I'd prefer that to her as a team mate.

[Jebel Krong]

@ arijharn: lol

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

I'm all for Miranda taking over Cerberus. This might get me lynched, but I'd prefer that to her as a team mate.

It's not mutually exclusive. If I had Miranda with me over, say, 75% of the game, including the end, and she'd spend the 25% rest, say before the endgame, taking over Cerberus after we get an initial mission to remove TIM or something similar, I'd be very satisfied. In fact, I'd say that would be almost the optimal scenario.

@Elyvern:
You see, we can have our cake and eat it

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Shadedclan]

Hi guys! I'm back but I am sure none of you would not even remember me. Never did had friends here. huhu:crying:

Anyway I saw this picture of Miranda. Early concept art. Here she is a blonde. Here I don't like the way she looks. Her hair is even tied back which I don't also like. Thank God they changed it to black and without tying it back.

Modifié par Shadedclan, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Ieldra]

I recall you, Shadedclan. And I agree with you about the old concept art. Her figure is also seriously out-of-proportion, almost a caricature. ***shudder***

[jtav]

Quick question: do you have to wait to do LotSB after the SM for the romance to be acknowledged or is it sufficient to lock in the romance?