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[Shadedclan]

Ooh.. Lair of the shadow broker. Did you guys get it? I'm not sure if I want to get it. Any heavy Miranda involvement?

[Aedan1992]

Yes you should really buy Lair of the Shadow Broker. You wont regret it.

[Elyvern]

I'm looking through round 3 of the vids on the shadowbroker hub right now. Has anyone seen those yet? The vid of Jacob and Miranda in Lazarus station is very intriguing, especially considering the high quality of the character animation. He seems to repeat a phrase once or something and she says yes? before beckoning him offscreen?

[fongiel24]

This thread moves so much faster now that LotSB is out. I go to sleep at night and when I wake up there's actually several pages of discussion I have to read through. How dare you all stimulate my brain at such an early hour!!

I really don't have much to add to the debate (you guys have done a pretty good job of covering most viewpoints) but I just finished LotSB and noticed something. Miranda's one line is unique from the rest of the game. Either they pulled that off the cutting room floor and threw it in, or brought back Yvonne Strahovski to record five seconds worth of dialogue. In either case it's disappointing, but in the latter I see a glimmer of hope that Strahovski is still interested in remaining a part of the ME trilogy. I think her continued interest is a critical element to getting Miranda back. If she doesn't sign on for ME3, Miranda is likely gone, as using another voice actress or having to use another likeness would be character-breaking. Thoughts?

Regarding the tragic ending scenario, the revelation that Miranda's infertile without corrective surgery did throw a wrench in one of my dream endings. In this ending, Shepard says his final goodbye to Miranda and goes out in a spectacular blaze of glory to save the galaxy. In the aftermath, it's revealed that Miranda is pregnant with his child, providing a kind of bittersweet ending with a possibility of continuing Shepard's story beyond ME3 through his and Miranda's kid. That's the only problem I have with Miranda's infertility.

@Shadedclan - This image has already been posted in this thread (or its predecessors) and discussed a few times...

Edit:
@Elyvern - There's a round 3? The only glimpse of Jacob I ever saw in the vids was the first time with him doing situps in the Normandy armoury.

Modifié par fongiel24, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Aedan1992]

Yeah i have seen that video. I also was thinking what that was. To bad you dont hear there voices good.

[Shadedclan]

Do other characters get involved besides Liara?

[Shadedclan]

fongiel24 wrote...

This thread moves so much faster now that LotSB is out. I go to sleep at night and when I wake up there's actually several pages of discussion I have to read through. How dare you all stimulate my brain at such an early hour!!

I really don't have much to add to the debate (you guys have done a pretty good job of covering most viewpoints) but I just finished LotSB and noticed something. Miranda's one line is unique from the rest of the game. Either they pulled that off the cutting room floor and threw it in, or brought back Yvonne Strahovski to record five seconds worth of dialogue. In either case it's disappointing, but in the latter I see a glimmer of hope that Strahovski is still interested in remaining a part of the ME trilogy. I think her continued interest is a critical element to getting Miranda back. If she doesn't sign on for ME3, Miranda is likely gone, as using another voice actress or having to use another likeness would be character-breaking. Thoughts?

Regarding the tragic ending scenario, the revelation that Miranda's infertile without corrective surgery did throw a wrench in one of my dream endings. In this ending, Shepard says his final goodbye to Miranda and goes out in a spectacular blaze of glory to save the galaxy. In the aftermath, it's revealed that Miranda is pregnant with his child, providing a kind of bittersweet ending with a possibility of continuing Shepard's story beyond ME3 through his and Miranda's kid. That's the only problem I have with Miranda's infertility.

@Shadedclan - This image has already been posted in this thread (or its predecessors) and discussed a few times...

Edit:
@Elyvern - There's a round 3? The only glimpse of Jacob I ever saw in the vids was the first time with him doing situps in the Normandy armoury.

Damn it! Now you spoil me. It is reall sad that Miranda is infertile. She is engineered to be perfect. I would have imagined she has the ability to create more egg cells than other women. And nice ending. But I wouldn't imagine Miranda staying back for the final battle or a decisive battle.

And sorry for the post. Still she doesn't look good.

[fongiel24]

Shadedclan wrote...

Do other characters get involved besides Liara?

This is a primarily Liara-centric DLC (Miranda gets one line). Definitely get it if you're a Liara fan, but even if you're not, the level design is well done, the bosses are fun to fight, and in the aftermath you're provided with a lot of information on ME characters that wasn't available in the base game. It's much better integrated into the main storyline than Overlord was.

[Elyvern]

fongiel24 wrote...

I really don't have much to add to the debate (you guys have done a pretty good job of covering most viewpoints) but I just finished LotSB and noticed something. Miranda's one line is unique from the rest of the game. Either they pulled that off the cutting room floor and threw it in, or brought back Yvonne Strahovski to record five seconds worth of dialogue. In either case it's disappointing, but in the latter I see a glimmer of hope that Strahovski is still interested in remaining a part of the ME trilogy. I think her continued interest is a critical element to getting Miranda back. If she doesn't sign on for ME3, Miranda is likely gone, as using another voice actress or having to use another likeness would be character-breaking. Thoughts?

I've done directing work for ADR (voice recording) sessions, and I can tell you that it's very likely Strahovski will come back. She will have signed a contract and if Bioware is a company with any business sense, it will definitely include ME3 in the clauses. From my experience, that line is probably something that was taken off the cutting room floor. A contract is purely for business purpose, but there is also professional courtesy involved. And it would be pretty rude to make a VA come in for 10s of voice acting work unless it's absolutely crucial.

Edit:
@Elyvern - There's a round 3? The only glimpse of Jacob I ever saw in the vids was the first time with him doing situps in the Normandy armoury.

That's round 1. There are 3 rounds all together. Just leave and come back immediately (unlike the investments) and the vids will cycle over. 

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Well, I can only hope that what Liara says to Shepard is a better indication of what's to come than the dossier, which is, after all, ambivalent enough in several aspects. Maybe we get a choice to influence the outcome in some way. That would satisfy everyone, wouldn't it?

But I have to say, I'm finding myself more and more inclined to a Cerberus ending of ME3....

I'm actually thinking a Cerberus ending is less and less likely.

With Liara as the Shadow Broker, TIM isn't neccessary anymore as a source of information. What is creeping into my mind now is it looks very likely Liara will definitely not be one of the squadmates in ME3; instead she's probably play supporting role, even if it's a strong one. And if this happens to Liara, it's likelier than ever Bioware could make Miranda take over Cerberus, playing a similar role assisting Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.

What do you think the end-game decision will be about, then? You also assume that Shepard only works with TIM reluctantly, which isn't true for at least one of my Shepards - she'd probably take over Cerberus herself and continue everything in TIM's tradition.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...
That's round 1. There are 3 rounds all together. Just leave and come back immediately (unlike the investments) and the vids will cycle over. 

What vids? It seems I've missed something....

Edit:
Found them. Overlooked a door.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:07 .

[jtav]

Asking again, but do you have to consummate the romance before Liara will acknowledge it, or just exhaust all romance dialogue before the engine room?

[Collider]

Interesting insight from the LotSB DLC. It's quite sad that things are that way. And a bit ironic, come to think of it.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

What do you think the end-game decision will be about, then? You also assume that Shepard only works with TIM reluctantly, which isn't true for at least one of my Shepards - she'd probably take over Cerberus herself and continue everything in TIM's tradition.

I should say a TIM's Cerberus ending doesn't look likely. Judging from how Cerberus has been gutted in Retribution and gets cut down to a one person operation - TIM himself, and how LotSB now provides Liara as a information hub replacement to Cerberus's role, it does seem that TIM's support role to Shepard has strongly diminished. He could even become one of the antagonists in ME3, or slip off the radar to pester other heroes in the ME verse (I hope not).  
And despite Miranda's renegade tendencies, I think it would scar me irrevocably if she continues EVERYTHING in TIM's traidtion. *piteous meep*

In the Shadowbroker's hub, if you go up the stairs pass Liara, through the door and then go pass Feron, take a left turn, there's a vid viewing machine that cycles 3 rounds of spy camera feeds all over the ME verse. Just look through them, leave on the Normandy, come back again and they will cycle through. The third one has a spycam feed of Miranda talking to Jacob on Lazarus station which was very well done, apart from the fact that you can't hear the audio.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
Interesting insight from the LotSB DLC. It's quite sad that things are that way. And a bit ironic, come to think of it.

You missed the pages-long debate about whether it will prove reversible, it seems. There are almost violent disagreements about that.

@jtav:
Sorry, don't know. All of my Shepards have finished the suicide mission.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

What do you think the end-game decision will be about, then? You also assume that Shepard only works with TIM reluctantly, which isn't true for at least one of my Shepards - she'd probably take over Cerberus herself and continue everything in TIM's tradition.

I should say a TIM's Cerberus ending doesn't look likely. Judging from how Cerberus has been gutted in Retribution and gets cut down to a one person operation - TIM himself, and how LotSB now provides Liara as a information hub replacement to Cerberus's role, it does seem that TIM's support role to Shepard has strongly diminished. He could even become one of the antagonists in ME3, or slip off the radar to pester other heroes in the ME verse (I hope not).

You misunderstood the events in Retribution. Cerberus has been hit significantly, but not to a one-person operation. Also, he might have access to the Collector base (he has in most of my playthroughs). No, we're not done with Cerberus, and again: Shepard can continue to work with him if the end of ME2 is any indication.

And despite Miranda's renegade tendencies, I think it would scar me irrevocably if she continues EVERYTHING in TIM's traidtion. *piteous meep*

You misunderstood that as well. I was saying one of my femSheps would do that, not Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[jtav]

I must admit, it's nice to have spirited discussion again, even if I once again find myself in the minority. It, and the anxious look on Miranda's face before she steps out of the elevator, make the romance much more palatable. I'm going to be milking it as much as I can for the next few weeks. It adds so much to her character.

[Collider]

You missed the pages-long debate about whether it will prove reversible, it seems. There are almost violent disagreements about that.

I haven't been keeping up with the character threads lately. Seems though that there have been rather passionate discussions about this.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...

You missed the pages-long debate about whether it will prove reversible, it seems. There are almost violent disagreements about that.

I haven't been keeping up with the character threads lately. Seems though that there have been rather passionate discussions about this.

Quite so. Since I seem one of the few who actually appreciates how Miranda was made, of course I take it amiss that she might not be able to pass it on (I would accept if she chose not to). There's also the fact I've always felt snubbed by the fact that in the ME universe the transhumanists are evil and limitations on genetic engineering are justified by a science made so much of rubber it might as well be religion. This adds insult to injury.
Fortunately there's always the technology her father used to make new children as a last resort, whereby she could also repair the damage that caused this for the next generation. But I'd rather have Miranda with the restored ability to have natural children.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...


You misunderstood the events in Retribution. Cerberus has been hit significantly, but not to a one-person operation. Also, he might have access to the Collector base (he has in most of my playthroughs). No, we're not done with Cerberus, and again: Shepard can continue to work with him if the end of ME2 is any indication. 

Apologies. It's just as this point in time, I'm quite quite tired of the constant referencing to Cerberus, even the Alliance and the Citadel Council weren't as pervasive or as invasive in ME1. Even in my renegade playthroughs where I keep telling myself I'd give TIM the base, but at the last moment, I always destroy it.

@jtav:  Started an insanity soldier playthrough to make full use of upgrades in the SotLB hub, although it's probably going to take me a while to get my way there. If you are so concerned about Liara having nothing to say about your LI choice pre-SM, just don't talk to Liara at the hub until you're done with the suicide mission.

[jtav]

As far as I know, I'm the only one in the thread who has ever raised a moral objection to Miranda's creation, but that has nothing to do with my belief that her sterility is irreversible (other than not being upset because she's not the future of humanity). I take the dossiers as canonical, especially the bits that aren't played as comedy. It's presented as incurable with the technology of 2185. 2186? Who knows. It adds an element of pathos that I dislike, and I'm concerned BW would handle the cure badly.

[Ieldra]

Lots of text....and too few pictures on this page...

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I take the dossiers as canonical, especially the bits that aren't played as comedy.

That's exactly one of the problems I have with it: I'm not sure we're supposed to take it seriously.

It's presented as incurable with the technology of 2185. 2186? Who knows.

Anyone with a bit of medical knowledge and insights into the general level of technology in the ME universe would find that claim very hard to support. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a lot of restricted technology out there. Really, I wish there was more clarity, then I'd be able to imagine an alternative personal storyline and stick to that instead of the one an incurable infertility would destroy. But as it is, I'm stumbling in the dark and poking sticks into muddy pools. I don't like that state of things.

It adds an element of pathos that I dislike, and I'm concerned BW would handle the cure badly.

Perhaps it would be a satisfying exercise to imagine how this could be handled best. As I understand you, you're not interested, but what about everyone else?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Perhaps it would be a satisfying exercise to imagine how this could be handled best. As I understand you, you're not interested, but what about everyone else?

What are we talking about here? How the cure could be handled best or the entire situation?

If we're talking about the cure, it seems the problem could be fixed with a fairly simple (but delicate) operation to remove a non-malignant tumour, followed by treatments to correct for damage done to the reproductive organs. As you've noted, it shouldn't be difficult.

As for how the overall situation could be handled best, I think there should be an element of risk involved. Miranda regaining her fertility should be a gamble, something that she would have to think carefully about before booking a surgery date. If the cure is too simple and risk-free, I think it would completely trivialize the problem to the point where Miranda's infertility isn't an issue at all.

[Jebel Krong]

you can't take the dossiers as semi-canonical - they either are or aren't, and frankly it's unlikely BW will ever say one way or the other (unless me3 or a DLC supports/contravenes one of them).

final wallpaper for today, just came from messing around with the other one, which looks totally different (and not in a good way) on my home laptop, than work - grrr.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 13 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .