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[kraidy1117]

Melrache wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

She definitely needs a helmet. The mask is bit weird, Liara seems to be using same thing as well.

Liara made the mask sexy, the mask makes Miri's face look fat <_<

I thought they both looked bit dumb.

Liara looks sexy with any  face wear, Miri needs a helmet.

[jtav]

I was just happy they were fighting together. My two favorite ladies. Now, if it had just been Shep who was crushed by the table.

[Melra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

She definitely needs a helmet. The mask is bit weird, Liara seems to be using same thing as well.

Liara made the mask sexy, the mask makes Miri's face look fat <_<

I thought they both looked bit dumb.

Liara looks sexy with any  face wear, Miri needs a helmet.

I have to disagree, they both need a helmet. In my opinion.

[Collider]

I would like for all squad mates who use breather masks to instead use helmets or something more appropriate. I would also like Samara and Miranda to wear armor (more in Samara's case) in their alternate appearance DLC (although it may not mesh well with the NPC comments about Miranda's outfit )

Modifié par Collider, 19 septembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

I would like for all squad mates who use breather masks to instead use helmets or something more appropriate. I would also like Samara and Miranda to wear armor (more in Samara's case) in their alternate appearance DLC (although it may not mesh well with the NPC comments about Miranda's outfit )

I just want something relistic, this is not fantasy. This is Sci-Fi with bullets, vacum places and toxic places.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

jtav wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I have a feeling that if you romanced her in ME2 than in the next game her possible infertility might be a very big part of the emotions of the relationship. I saw ME2 as showing that there was a person under the buisness like exterior and ME3 will leave alot fo the buisness personality behind and focus on the woman.

Depends. If you mean that she'll be warm to Shep in private then I agree. If you mean that she'll lose her introversion, professionalism, or pragmatic streak, then I sincerely hope not. She will never be the type to wear her heart on her sleeve. I don't want her to become the type to let the galaxy burn for Shepard's sake or cry at the drop of a hat.

Yes, I mean that she'll warm much more to Shepard when they are alone but she'll still be the same serious girl that we know and love when around other people or when things start to get bad she'll be there like she always is. I was just talking about her relationship with Shepard.

I do see a rather emotional Miranda telling Shepard about her condition and a rather determined Shepard saying that if she wants to have a child they'll find a way that would just be priceless

[jtav]

Ah, okay then. I'm not sure I want her infertility to be a big deal because I don't entirely trust Bioware to handle it well. I do want her to have children somehow if she wants them. I'm fond of the idea of her "redeeming" her father's tech by using it to create a child she loves, but mating with an asari or using one of the methods Ieldra mentioned also works for me. I doubt it would happen this way, but I'd like resolving the situation to not be dependent on romancing her. The letter shows up regardless, and I'd hate for her to get a less happy ending because I'm not interested in romancing her.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Well that would be the case for every character that makes it through to the end of ME3 that they can have their own lives and conclusions that don't have to have Shepard as a romance to have a happy ending. I'm personally hoping for a Legion/Tali conclusion where they get together... you could cut the sexual tension with a knife during that confrontation

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:09 .

[Arijharn]

@Ieldra2;

You do realise there is probably a good chance that any development that BioWare will make during the course of DLC and ME3 will likely render bits (at least) of your fanfic 'non-canon'. As a minor nitpick though; any fanfic you or anyone writes, even if it is as awesome as it's sounding atm can not be be in any way considered 'canon' simply because you do not work for BioWare.



The best any fanfic can get is to be judged plausible by its readers. This is why I like LuxDragon's "Fight For The Lost", it makes sense to me (it's plausible!) at least on how things have progressed.



I mean, it could be that Miranda's wealthy father could own some Aerospace corporation, but he could just as easily not and if he doesn't, then that renders your fanfic at least to be 'non-canon.'



I don't want you to be disheartened, just to be pragmatic.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...
Yeah, I'd LOVE a sultry, seductive Miri too, but her being able to change from that to what I said would be nice.

No it wouldn't. It would be so foreign to her character concept that it would break her. I don't recall who posted the Oriana chat on some of the previous pages, but Miranda behaving as Oriana did there would be an OOC disaster of epic proportions.

*cough* I started the Miranda/Oriana chat but it was intended as satire. I don't think Miranda is a particularly "wounded" person as of ME2. As she says in the last elevator scene in her loyalty mission, her father hurt her but he didn't break her. She has issues, but I don't think she's hiding or running from them.

As others have said, Miranda's personality at the beginning of ME2 probably isn't an act. She's just not a very emotional person (note I said "not very emotional", not "completely unemotional"). Some people are just like that. I suspect most people in her line of work are like that.

jtav wrote...

I doubt it's canon, but if Miranda is an artificial biotic, do you think it's plausible Miranda's father gave her other non-genetic enhancements? I'm planning to give her a greybox in my story (perfect memory for the perfect human). Between that and the biotics, she spent large swaths of age eleven in the hospital and nearly died. Those operations, or rather the realization that he prized his ideal of perfection higher than her life, were a motivating factor in her running away. Too May Sue?

Provided her enhancements don't make her too perfect I think your ideas are fine. I write Shepard as being significantly augmented (primarily by the Alliance, not Cerberus). I'm not sure about the greybox though. The way it's portrayed and described in ME2 leads me to believe it's just a harddrive that happens to be installed in a human head and directly interfaces with the brain, rather than bestowing drell-like memory on the user.

Modifié par fongiel24, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:36 .

[jtav]

Agreed. The best thing to do is put a note that says "canon-compliant through X." It's the peril of writing for an open canon. You take your chances. I don't care about being perfectly compliant, though I do try for good characterization within the facts I know. No, the Bioware writers probably don't intend for Miranda to be bisexual and definitely didn't intend for her to be in love with Liara. But I'm trying to make you believe that it could have happened, only it didn't. Slash and nan-canon pairings are fine fannish traditions.

[jtav]

fongiel, it does seem to give the user some kind of limited eidetic memory since it was hailed as a way to level the playing field with salarians. Like you said, though, I doubt it's as good as a salarian's, just as Miranda's biotics are nowhere near as good as an asari's.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

fongiel, it does seem to give the user some kind of limited eidetic memory since it was hailed as a way to level the playing field with salarians. Like you said, though, I doubt it's as good as a salarian's, just as Miranda's biotics are nowhere near as good as an asari's.

Huh, I just read the Codex entry again. I didn't realize salarians had eidetic memory too. If Miranda had similar abilities, it might help explain her confidence at the beginning of the game where she tells Jacob, "I'm never wrong. I would have thought you'd learned that by now." Maybe she remembered something about Wilson that suddenly clicked into place when the mechs started shooting.

[jtav]

I'm still working out plot possibilities, as the original impetus was to create a way to pull of the memory transfer in a way that wouldn't burn her out (though it's still tiring and they have to do it over many sessions to avoid exhaustion). And it's another way to separate her from "normal humans. She doesn't even think like them (quite).

[Arijharn]

I don't think she would have a graybox, but I wouldn't automatically dismiss it either. As far as things go, it would sound like a very Cerberus thing to do at least to help 'level the playing field' since I doubt Cerberus would accept any limitation of humanity, especially when it could be considered a strength of another potentially hostile species.

[snfonseka]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

She definitely needs a helmet. The mask is bit weird, Liara seems to be using same thing as well.

Liara made the mask sexy, the mask makes Miri's face look fat <_<

I thought they both looked bit dumb.

Liara looks sexy with any  face wear, Miri needs a helmet.

Everybody need helmets, the masks are so dumb....

[snfonseka]

t3HPrO wrote...

@jtav
Thanks to Alliance and Council propaganda, even the SB was fooled into thinking that Cerberus is all about 'enslave them aliens'. Hell, even the two crewmembers in the mess hall are impressed by the aliens. And I don't quite see Miranda having any other love than Shepard, sorry. And I lol'd so hard it hurt when I saw an 'anti cerberus' group here and they said 'oh they're racist and evil boo hoo.' Guess that's how the SB viewed Miranda and Cerberus.

My opinion is that SB saw Cerberus more likely as a opposition in his area of work rather than a villan who wish to 'enslave aliens', that was why he need to destroy Cerberus.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I want modified asari commando armor.

Subscribed.

I doubt it's canon, but if Miranda is an artificial biotic, do you think it's plausible Miranda's father gave her other non-genetic enhancements? I'm planning to give her a greybox in my story (perfect memory for the perfect human). Between that and the biotics, she spent large swaths of age eleven in the hospital and nearly died. Those operations, or rather the realization that he prized his ideal of perfection higher than her life, were a motivating factor in her running away. Too May Sue?

All in all, I don't really like the idea of more non-genetic enhancements, because it goes against the character concept. The implanted eezo nodules were an unfortunate necessity. I think her father would have preferred to give her better memory on the genetic level (this has already been done with mice). All in all, it's not exactly implausible, though, because I don't think even enhanced natural memory comes close to what a greybox can provide. I'd move the operations one year forward, since she'll need the eezo nodules before puberty and that sets on early in some girls.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

I want modified asari commando armor.

It looks pretty good, but requires some Mirimancing to be ''perfect'' 

Modifié par Melrache, 20 septembre 2010 - 07:52 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
You do realise there is probably a good chance that any development that BioWare will make during the course of DLC and ME3 will likely render bits (at least) of your fanfic 'non-canon'. As a minor nitpick though; any fanfic you or anyone writes, even if it is as awesome as it's sounding atm can not be be in any way considered 'canon' simply because you do not work for BioWare.

The best any fanfic can get is to be judged plausible by its readers. This is why I like LuxDragon's "Fight For The Lost", it makes sense to me (it's plausible!) at least on how things have progressed.

I mean, it could be that Miranda's wealthy father could own some Aerospace corporation, but he could just as easily not and if he doesn't, then that renders your fanfic at least to be 'non-canon.'

I don't want you to be disheartened, just to be pragmatic.

Of course I realise that, I only said I'd prefer them to develop Miranda in a way that wouldn't render my fanfic non-canonical, for instance by not revealing too much about her father and focusing on the ghost of her father in her mind instead. If they'll do it anyway, no big deal. In this particular instance, I'd not be above publishing a re-canonized version of my fanfic if it's possible without making story elements implausible.

What concerns me more is incompatibility with my personal vision of Miranda in a major way. I think every player plays and writes in a slightly different ME universe. That's because we think differently and place more or less emphasis on certain traits of the character and the world. For instance, I try to ignore inter-species romance. I can read and enjoy jtav's Miranda/Liara fanfic because I don't have to incorporate it into "my" ME universe, but if Bioware suddenly wrote a Miranda/asari romance or something into their games that would destroy Miranda for me but not for jtav. On the other hand, a "cheap/cheesy" solution to her infertility wouldn't bother me much, for me it's far more important that there is a solution at all.

[Ieldra]

Here's the final FAQ section dealing with Miranda's infertility:

Part IV: Miranda's infertility

Is Miranda really infertile? Where do we get that information?
The information comes from a dossier in the DLC "Lair of the Shadow Broker". The dossier contains, among other things, a copy of a mail message Miranda gets from a doctor, informing her that a "benign neoplasm […] renders [her] progressively unable to conceive a child". Due to the inconsistent content and phrasing, that message is widely open to interpretation. There are two distinct possibilities:
(I) The whole dossier, with the exception of the chat between her and Oriana, is phrased so over-the-top silly, inconsistent within itself and with the level of technology we see throughout the game that it can only be interpreted as satirical. Ignore it.
(II) In spite of the inconsistencies, the dossier has to be taken seriously. It we take it seriously, then the inconsistencies have to be resolved. See the other questions in this section for that. If taken seriously, Miranda's situation seems best described by the following statements:
(II-1) At the end of Mass Effect 2, Miranda is unable to have children naturally, i.e. to conceive a child by having sex, to become pregnant and to give birth.
(II-2) 22nd century reproductive medicine can create a child that is biologically of her and whoever she wants to be the father (i.e. Shepard). That child would be indistinguishable from one conceived naturally. Depending on the kind of infertility, the process is more or less complicated.
(II-3) The difference between (1) and (2) matters to Miranda emotionally, because it is another part of normal human life denied her.

If Miranda is infertile, is that infertility curable?
I take "curable" to mean reverse her condition so that she will be able to conceive and carry a child to term naturally. See the next question for circumventing the problem.
Opinions on this also vary widely. The description of her medical condition ("benign neoplasm") suggests it is easily curable, the doctor's recommendation for adoption as a "solution" suggests it is not. The phrasing "progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child" is also open to the interpretation "She isn't yet completely infertile, and a medical intervention can still prevent it from becoming irreversible". It also tells us she is "unable to conceive", which may mean she can still carry a child to term.

If Miranda's infertility is not curable, aren't there still ways she can have a child?
Yes. The doctor's recommendation of adoption as the "solution" presented in preference of any other is not believable. There are the following non-exclusive options:
(1) If Miranda's egg cells are damaged, new eggs would have to be created by artificial gametogenesis. Artificial gametogenesis is the process of being researched by present-day biologists (though not yet for humans. Also see this paper on artificial gametogenesis), so it's plausible to assume 22nd century medicine can do it. This would also be consistent with the general level of biotechology present in the ME&nbsp;universe, especially considering the way Miranda's own genetic template was made.
(2) If Miranda cannot conceive, i.e. the sperm cannot reach the egg, fertilization can be done in-vitro. In-vitro fertilization is a routine procedure in present-day reproductive medicine.
(3) If Miranda cannot become pregnant, i.e. not carry out a child, either a surrogate mother or an artificial womb is required to circumvent the problem. Given Okeer's research, it seems plausible that artificial wombs exist in the ME universe, though they may be cutting-edge technology. Surrogate mothers are always possible, but pose the question of whether the true mother of the child isn't the one who carries it to term.
(4) If Miranda's condition is genetic, genetic engineering should be able to repair the condition in her eggs, so that her children will become fully functional humans. (1) to (3) still applies.
(5) Miranda could also have children using a process similar to the one that created herself. This would likely include all of the above, and she would not necessarily need a partner.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

Btw, did anyone else come across this paper on artificial gametogenesis, by one Andrew Lawson no less? Somehow I don't quite think that's a coincidence.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:19 .

[snfonseka]

By reading the SB dossiers I understand one thing... That those dossiers were made without thinking deeply, without considering repercussions etc. Basically BW has made a mess with those dossiers. I hope BW will find a way to cleanup their own mess.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Btw, did anyone else come across this paper on artificial gametogenesis, by one Andrew Lawson no less? Somehow I don't quite think that's a coincidence.

And now we know who the father is. :innocent:

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I also agree with you and Melrache in that a Miranda DLC should be more espionage-based.

trouble is we already had that with kasumi, although a cross between that and LoSB focused on Miranda would be an epic piece of content that i'd fork over 800 points for anyday.