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[Arijharn]

Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.



Jack is predictable, she goes for maximum force all the time. Jack is like a claymore to Miranda's rapier.

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Anyway, a new chapter of my fanfic is up, check it out.

Left a review at FFN. As for your question of where the story should end, that depends on what will happen in-between, particulary on whether or not their ways will across again in-between, and how. The most natural epilogue at this point would be the moment when Shepard meets Miranda on Lazarus station. Or any other scene you could make echo back to the prologue.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Really, you think so? I say it depends on the alternatives. Sex acted out as nothing more but a business transaction isn't enjoyable, and you might actually prefer a slightly less perfect appearance paired with a slightly more approachable personality. Really, Miranda's acting extreme - not even a short goodbye or "see you there" for politeness' sake for the man she's going to meet. That's not coldly calculating, that's a caricature.

I see it as nothing more than a "friends with benefits" arrangement, only without the "friends" part. I don't interpret it as either "coldly calculating" or as a "caricature", I see it as Miranda emphasizing (both to herself and her partner) that their encounter is to be strictly physical with no emotional entanglements to get in the way. The less details they exchange, the less risk to Miranda of being found out or having her terminal traced.

I don't think it's possible to compartmentalize the emotional and the physical so completely. Sure, you don't have to fall in love to have good sex, but you won't enjoy sex with someone who you can't even summon up a friendly smile for. "Sexual attraction" and "like" are closely linked until you get to know someone better. That's why I maintain Miranda's behaviour in the dossier is a caricature.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:21 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.

I found a phrasing in a fanfic I rather liked. Someone reflected that there was a chance that Jack would kill Miranda in her first attack, but if Miranda survived that, she would win.

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.

I found a phrasing in a fanfic I rather liked. Someone reflected that there was a chance that Jack would kill Miranda in her first attack, but if Miranda survived that, she would win.

You know, I'm inclined to agree with that. Considering that it's pretty tough to kill Miranda on account of all engineering that's been done to her at conception, I think it'd be rather simple for Jack to underestimate her. Of course, if Jack tried something to Miranda while I'm there then I'd step in against her quite quickly... and not just because I think Miranda is awesome but because Jack's actions threaten everyone on board.

Jack's only option would be attack with overwhelming force but I can't see how anyone can really be that 'overwhelming' in all honesty... other than perhaps Harbinger lol.

[ComTrav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Really, you think so? I say it depends on the alternatives. Sex acted out as nothing more but a business transaction isn't enjoyable, and you might actually prefer a slightly less perfect appearance paired with a slightly more approachable personality. Really, Miranda's acting extreme - not even a short goodbye or "see you there" for politeness' sake for the man she's going to meet. That's not coldly calculating, that's a caricature.

I see it as nothing more than a "friends with benefits" arrangement, only without the "friends" part. I don't interpret it as either "coldly calculating" or as a "caricature", I see it as Miranda emphasizing (both to herself and her partner) that their encounter is to be strictly physical with no emotional entanglements to get in the way. The less details they exchange, the less risk to Miranda of being found out or having her terminal traced.

I don't think it's possible to compartmentalize the emotional and the physical so completely. Sure, you don't have to fall in love to have good sex, but you won't enjoy sex with someone who you can't even summon up a friendly smile for. "Sexual attraction" and "like" are closely linked until you get to know someone better. That's why I maintain Miranda's behaviour in the dossier is a caricature.

I suspect I shouldn't comment on this (having not bought the DLC, though it seems I should, people on the forums seem to like it, which is highly unusual), but it's worth pointing out that that analysts often bring their own biases to intelligence work. In the Cuban Missile Crisis, American analysts believed Khruschev would not put missiles in Cuba, because that was the rational thing to do (and it never occurred to them that the Soviet leader might not act within their definition of rationality.) So if the dossier is an intelligence document, it's easy to see whoever wrote it for the Shadow Broker could be a little biased.

[Arijharn]

ComTrav, on the off chance you read this; you really should just bite the bullet and get LotSB, it's very much worth it.



I probably sound like a raving fanboy here, but it is seriously the most value for dollar DLC ever produced by any company.

[Ieldra]

ComTrav wrote...
So if the dossier is an intelligence document, it's easy to see whoever wrote it for the Shadow Broker could be a little biased.

LOL....spot on, you shouldn't have commented on it. Miranda's dossier consists of chat transcripts and one copied mail. Not so easy to put a bias in. You can look it up on this page on the ME wiki site. 

And you should really get LotSB. It might not be what Arijharn said (I don't like the hyperlinear, tightly mission-focused gameplay, preferring what we've got with Overlord), but it's very good nonetheless.

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.

I found a phrasing in a fanfic I rather liked. Someone reflected that there was a chance that Jack would kill Miranda in her first attack, but if Miranda survived that, she would win.

You know, I'm inclined to agree with that. Considering that it's pretty tough to kill Miranda on account of all engineering that's been done to her at conception, I think it'd be rather simple for Jack to underestimate her. Of course, if Jack tried something to Miranda while I'm there then I'd step in against her quite quickly... and not just because I think Miranda is awesome but because Jack's actions threaten everyone on board.

Jack's only option would be attack with overwhelming force but I can't see how anyone can really be that 'overwhelming' in all honesty... other than perhaps Harbinger lol.

well i can certainly see shepard as being like batman - having a plan to take everyone down - if it comes to it: you only have to watch grunt's "wakeup" scene to see a bit of that. tbh in close confinement jack would actually be at a disadvantage on a spaceship - too much power and she'd just as likely kill herself anyway. infiltrator shep could just go invisible and neck-snap for the win before she knew what was happening...

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

ComTrav, on the off chance you read this; you really should just bite the bullet and get LotSB, it's very much worth it.

I probably sound like a raving fanboy here, but it is seriously the most value for dollar DLC ever produced by any company.

i'd agree with that.

edit: the world of overlord was really nice in an avatar kinda way but the hammerhead is still ridiculously arcadey and spoils it - ironically the mako would have been better and is a better fit for the universe. tbh i'd be almost happy to be dropped off in a dropship and explore on foot. the mission was good, but is not vital and lacks the impact of LoSB.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[ComTrav]

Arijharn wrote...

ComTrav, on the off chance you read this; you really should just bite the bullet and get LotSB, it's very much worth it.

I probably sound like a raving fanboy here, but it is seriously the most value for dollar DLC ever produced by any company.

I haven't gotten Overlord either--that worth getting? Buying the ME2 DLC is a slight pain for me because my Xbox is not normally connected to the internet (so it's less of an impulse buy then all the DAO DLC.) I think I sorta wanted to wait until there was enough DLC to justify playing through it all with my main Shepard. (Worth mentioning that DAO and ME are some of the very few games I play through more then once.)

And I'm quite the fanboy myself

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Anyway, a new chapter of my fanfic is up, check it out.

Left a review at FFN. As for your question of where the story should end, that depends on what will happen in-between, particulary on whether or not their ways will across again in-between, and how. The most natural epilogue at this point would be the moment when Shepard meets Miranda on Lazarus station. Or any other scene you could make echo back to the prologue.

I thought that one hit from Germany was you...replied and working on some of your suggestions.

[Arijharn]

ComTrav wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

ComTrav, on the off chance you read this; you really should just bite the bullet and get LotSB, it's very much worth it.

I probably sound like a raving fanboy here, but it is seriously the most value for dollar DLC ever produced by any company.

I haven't gotten Overlord either--that worth getting? Buying the ME2 DLC is a slight pain for me because my Xbox is not normally connected to the internet (so it's less of an impulse buy then all the DAO DLC.) I think I sorta wanted to wait until there was enough DLC to justify playing through it all with my main Shepard. (Worth mentioning that DAO and ME are some of the very few games I play through more then once.)

And I'm quite the fanboy myself

Yeah I do think Overlord is worth getting. It does feel somewhat short but I think it's morally ambiguous and good story telling. At times it can be challenging as well (I think there's more Geth Prime's in it than there are in the entire ME2 game at launch?).

[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

well i can certainly see shepard as being like batman - having a plan to take everyone down - if it comes to it: you only have to watch grunt's "wakeup" scene to see a bit of that. tbh in close confinement jack would actually be at a disadvantage on a spaceship - too much power and she'd just as likely kill herself anyway. infiltrator shep could just go invisible and neck-snap for the win before she knew what was happening...

You know when Jack gets recruited and she's in the briefing room with Miranda and Shep and the 'renegade' statement is that she can bloody wait for a few mins before she gets her files to which Jack retorts with some lame ass threat about the damage she can do inside a frigate? I sincerely wished for some badass potentially malice laced retort on the part of Shephard that promises extreme physical injury if she doesn't behave. Alas!

[ComTrav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...
So if the dossier is an intelligence document, it's easy to see whoever wrote it for the Shadow Broker could be a little biased.

LOL....spot on, you shouldn't have commented on it. Miranda's dossier consists of chat transcripts and one copied mail. Not so easy to put a bias in. You can look it up on this page on the ME wiki site. 

And you should really get LotSB. It might not be what Arijharn said (I don't like the hyperlinear, tightly mission-focused gameplay, preferring what we've got with Overlord), but it's very good nonetheless.

Ok, glad you posted this, though I need to resist searching all of them because I don't want too many spoilers.I'll pick up the DLCs soon-ish, then. (If I can tear myself away from Civ V which I'm picking up in a few hours...)

(Anyone else find it totally appropriate that Mordin Solus was Polonius?)

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

well i can certainly see shepard as being like batman - having a plan to take everyone down - if it comes to it: you only have to watch grunt's "wakeup" scene to see a bit of that. tbh in close confinement jack would actually be at a disadvantage on a spaceship - too much power and she'd just as likely kill herself anyway. infiltrator shep could just go invisible and neck-snap for the win before she knew what was happening...

You know when Jack gets recruited and she's in the briefing room with Miranda and Shep and the 'renegade' statement is that she can bloody wait for a few mins before she gets her files to which Jack retorts with some lame ass threat about the damage she can do inside a frigate? I sincerely wished for some badass potentially malice laced retort on the part of Shephard that promises extreme physical injury if she doesn't behave. Alas!

oh yeah - tbh i was actually expecting that very thing, alas indeed. that would have been the point where i'd have considered the airlock to be her quarters...

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:06 .

[Arijharn]

It would be even more awesome if the retort was modified by your character class. Like the Adept would make some obscure reference of throwing jack around like a ragdoll while being suspended within a Singularity and warp detonated etc, an Engineer mentions something about burning her to a crisp etc.

[ComTrav]

Arijharn wrote...

It would be even more awesome if the retort was modified by your character class. Like the Adept would make some obscure reference of throwing jack around like a ragdoll while being suspended within a Singularity and warp detonated etc, an Engineer mentions something about burning her to a crisp etc.

Anything where your class is more relevant would be nice. I always found it stupid that my Adept Shepard was always threatening people with a pistol, instead of ripping stuff to pieces with his mind.

Although, when I had the chance to get another weapon on the collector ship, abandoning that pistol felt kinda wrong.

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

It would be even more awesome if the retort was modified by your character class. Like the Adept would make some obscure reference of throwing jack around like a ragdoll while being suspended within a Singularity and warp detonated etc, an Engineer mentions something about burning her to a crisp etc.

people often request class/sex/background specific actions and whilst they would undoubtedly be very cool to see, i doubt it will happen (or at least more than once er game) as you'd have to make every scene however many times to include all the options. to have something like that during the miranda/jack and tali/legion fights would have been epic though.

[Arijharn]

ComTrav wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

It would be even more awesome if the retort was modified by your character class. Like the Adept would make some obscure reference of throwing jack around like a ragdoll while being suspended within a Singularity and warp detonated etc, an Engineer mentions something about burning her to a crisp etc.

Anything where your class is more relevant would be nice. I always found it stupid that my Adept Shepard was always threatening people with a pistol, instead of ripping stuff to pieces with his mind.

Although, when I had the chance to get another weapon on the collector ship, abandoning that pistol felt kinda wrong.

If I remember correctly, in ME1 at Noveria where you get stopped by the security team before entering, if you're standoffish with the corrupt cop and you're an Adept (Vanguard and possibly Sentinel), you gain the biotic glow effect. Not to mention of course Kaidan says that other than the PC he spikes higher than most L3's.

Also, in Awakening if you're a mage you electrocute the big bad whereas for the warrior/rogue I think you just stab stab it.

As for the Adept... I always seemed to use the SMG's before getting the AR, Heavy Warp Ammo just seems to be always effective against everything...

[GodWood]

Arijharn wrote...
Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.

Jack is predictable, she goes for maximum force all the time. Jack is like a claymore to Miranda's rapier.

lol

[Arijharn]

lol wut?



Lol at my turn of phrase or 'lol' in the sense that I must be dreaming?

[GodWood]

Arijharn wrote...
lol wut?
Lol at my turn of phrase or 'lol' in the sense that I must be dreaming?

The whole quote, starting with I'm not biased then saying Miranda would win.

T'was funny.

[Jebel Krong]

meh i'd generally pick the one with martial training over brute force anyday.

[jtav]

As far as LIs are concerned, I get the appeal of 5 of the 6. The only one I personally like is Thane's. Tali's is probably the best-written, but she has so many stars in her eyes when it comes to Shepard that I worry about the power imbalance. Shepard is her eternal knight in shining armor. I don't like that. Miranda's is just the opposite. I like the idea of romancing her, but there are some writing misfires that prevent me from enjoying the romance. She's the only maleShep ME2 LI I've been able to romance to completion, but I don't care if the relationship works out. I concede that much of this may have to do with being female.