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[snfonseka]

Modifié par snfonseka, 25 septembre 2010 - 05:01 .

[snfonseka]

Some more Miri images........

Modifié par snfonseka, 25 septembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Caihn]

A new deviantart :

 

http://spiritius.dev...awson-180483173

[Ieldra]

@Yannkee:
Nice find. How do you find these things? All I find when I browse DeviantArt is things I already know and crap.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 septembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Caihn]

This has just been uploaded on deviantart. I always check the newest art.

Also I'm in the Miranda Lawson group (http://miranda-lawso...deviantart.com/), so every time someone add something in the group I have a message.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
This has just been uploaded on deviantart. I always check the newest art.
Also I'm in the Miranda Lawson group (http://miranda-lawso...deviantart.com/), so every time someone add something in the group I have a message.

I didn't even know such things as groups existed there.... thanks.

[Caihn]

I think we are lucky, some very good arts were added recently. It's not always like that.

I'm glad talented artist decided to draw Miranda.

[jtav]

That's extremely good art, Yankee.



I'll never figure out exactly *how* they did it, but Miranda is one of the most complex characters in the ME universe. She's introduced to us as an ideologue and she really does believe in Cerberus' mission but she's willing to incur TIM's wrath to keep a promise to Jacob. And yet, she's a bit dismissive of Jacob right to the end. She's ruthless but not cruel. She doesn't want to send an escort back with the crew, but she's genuinely happy when they survive. She tends to overestimate her own abilities to the point of arrogance, but those gifts torture her and she derives no pleasure from them. Is it any wonder that she fascinates me? I wouldn't care to know her in real life, but she certainly is interesting in a way that characters that I find more likable are not. Impressive, considering that BW ) could have left her as one-dimensional fanservice and still hit their target audience.

[Caihn]

I have a question.
I'm thinking of making a new version, with some little enhancements, of my Miranda tribute video (the one on the OP).

But, I would like to know which version of the song I used in the romance part, you prefer.
- The one I used in the video : Two Steps from Hell - Undying Love (Choir Extended Mix)
- Or this one : Two Steps from Hell - Undying Love

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[Mr Plow]

Yannkee wrote...

A new deviantart :

 

http://spiritius.dev...awson-180483173

This one is very good - can really see Yvonne's features in this piece

[Caihn]

A new wallpaper.



I used a screenshot from LotSB :

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[fongiel24]

If I were designing the Miranda romance in ME3, I would actually consider having Miranda take a step back to think about the relationship, rather than letting it become all lovey-dovey immediately. In ME2 everything progressed so quickly that Miranda being a person ruled by reason rather than emotion, might stop and think, "Okay, did I fall in love with Shepard because we're right for each other, or did I fall in love with Shepard because I thought we were going to die and he was convenient?" I would want to see Shepard maybe pushing for more and Miranda resisting a bit while both of them figure out what they really mean to each other.

[t3HPrO]

@fongiel24

Unfortunately, you're not, so keep praying that bioware will do it. I'd like Miranda and Shep to have serious talks about what they feel for each other first before it becomes lovey-dovey.

[t3HPrO]

As in long heart to heart, no bulls*it talks spanning three missions before it goes lovey dovey.

[jtav]

That would be pretty good fongiel. Honestly, I don't know what I want from the romance anymore.



In unrelated news, I wish my characters and story would cooperate. I have all these dramatic scenes to write and I'm getting stymied by a description of the furniture. Not sure how to warn either. This chapter is profoundly unobjectionable but there's explicit sex and tprture/"enhanced interrogation" in the final third. My Miranda is not a good person.

[Caihn]

 And a last wallpaper before going to sleep.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

In unrelated news, I wish my characters and story would cooperate. I have all these dramatic scenes to write and I'm getting stymied by a description of the furniture. Not sure how to warn either. This chapter is profoundly unobjectionable but there's explicit sex and tprture/"enhanced interrogation" in the final third. My Miranda is not a good person.

I can't see Miranda using torture as an interrogation technique. I can't see it not because I think Miranda would have any moral objection to it, but because information gained from torture is unreliable (as half your squadmates seem to remind you on Purgatory). I see Miranda relying primarily on deception and her technical skills to gain information. If she actually had to snatch somebody and get information out of them, I think she would rely on medical means to do so such as truth serums or invasive procedures (I'm being deliberately vague with the latter because have no idea how it would work).

Where I could see Miranda using torture is as a form of coercion to enforce cooperation. Something like, "Do this, or I remove another fingernail" rather than "Tell me what I want to know or I remove a fingernail", since in the former example the cooperation of the subject can be verified whereas in the latter it might not be possible.

[Caihn]

Considering her reaction on purgatory when a prisoner gets beaten by a guard, it's obvious she's against torture.

[Jebel Krong]

Mr Plow wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

A new deviantart :

 

http://spiritius.dev...awson-180483173

This one is very good - can really see Yvonne's features in this piece

Ha! I don't think it looks like yvonne at all. Whomever was the model/inspiration looks a lot older - particularly round the mouth/nose & throat/neck. However the look does suit Miranda, more in the vein of how she looks in blur's cgi trailer, i do quite like it.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 26 septembre 2010 - 12:32 .

[Jebel Krong]

fongiel24 wrote...

If I were designing the Miranda romance in ME3, I would actually consider having Miranda take a step back to think about the relationship, rather than letting it become all lovey-dovey immediately. In ME2 everything progressed so quickly that Miranda being a person ruled by reason rather than emotion, might stop and think, "Okay, did I fall in love with Shepard because we're right for each other, or did I fall in love with Shepard because I thought we were going to die and he was convenient?" I would want to see Shepard maybe pushing for more and Miranda resisting a bit while both of them figure out what they really mean to each other.

I disagree: having made their connection I think the relationship would continue to build, both taking comfort from whatever normalcy that would provide - in contrast to so much else in their characters and in events - if anything that would bring them closer. (Personally i hope they don't also introduce the LoSB 'revelation' though as it's crap and unneeded).

[Arijharn]

I agree with fongiel, I think she'd use barbituates and LSD's to get people to talk. She'd rely on drugs and the 'altered state' that they put the person in to get information out of them. How can I explain it? Say she uses a drug that really messes people up, when she goes to question the suspect, she'd use half-truths and educated guesses about that person to persuade them that they have already told her everything and that now she's just 'cross-checking' for a want of a better term.



I agree with Ieldra2 as well, I think Miranda's image of her father probably occupies a larger place in her psyche than the man himself, and I'd like to explore an in-game reason why she is just so coy in not naming him when Shephard asks (considering Shephard at some point would have 'earned her trust.') I would like to explore options like I've mentioned in the past of her father trying to appeal to Shephard for Oriana's position and possibly the subtle suggestion that Oriana is not an engineered child but a child conceived naturally by her father and perhaps his mistress (although; definitely not his wife if he has one).



After the Shadow Broker, I'd like to see issues about her infertility (and options to do with it) and how she confides to Shephard and I'd also like to see responses that Shephard can offer to it (Even a polite 'I know' if that person actually has Shadow Broker installed).

[Arijharn]

Mr Plow wrote...


This one is very good - can really see Yvonne's features in this piece

I agree, it's the best one in my opinion because of that.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

I have a question.
I'm thinking of making a new version, with some little enhancements, of my Miranda tribute video (the one on the OP).

But, I would like to know which version of the song I used in the romance part, you prefer.
- The one I used in the video : Two Steps from Hell - Undying Love (Choir Extended Mix)
- Or this one : Two Steps from Hell - Undying Love

The first one is considerably more epic. Stick to that one.
BTW: has this music been used in a movie anywhere? It sounds like that...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2010 - 05:47 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
In unrelated news, I wish my characters and story would cooperate. I have all these dramatic scenes to write and I'm getting stymied by a description of the furniture. Not sure how to warn either. This chapter is profoundly unobjectionable but there's explicit sex and tprture/"enhanced interrogation" in the final third. My Miranda is not a good person.

I can't see Miranda using torture as an interrogation technique. I can't see it not because I think Miranda would have any moral objection to it, but because information gained from torture is unreliable (as half your squadmates seem to remind you on Purgatory). I see Miranda relying primarily on deception and her technical skills to gain information. If she actually had to snatch somebody and get information out of them, I think she would rely on medical means to do so such as truth serums or invasive procedures (I'm being deliberately vague with the latter because have no idea how it would work).

In a standard interrogation scenario, that would be true. But in the field you often have neither time nor resources to be subtle. In that case, Miranda would use torture if necessary. She wouldn't like it, but still go through with it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

This one is very good - can really see Yvonne's features in this piece

I agree, it's the best one in my opinion because of that.

I have to agree with Jebel Krong. It doesn't look like Yvonne at all. She also looks much too old.