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[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...
Point taken. Although note that she never uses that on Shepard in any way, despite the fact that he is the sole and most obvious target of her affections in the game. (ignore things like the awful camera angles and all). I suppose that's an angle that Bioware wasn't interested in protraying: ie. the literal femme fatale, and I'm glad they didn't for many reasons.

This is because Shepard is the driving force in the romance. It it weren't for him, she'd not decide to follow her emotions in the first place. Once committed - after the "promise" scene - she does act up decisively.

I suppose this is the inevitable part of having Shepard be the one to initiate all the moves. Damn...now I'm thinking how differently and more naturally things would play out if it wasn't a game. Grr...

You know, I love that "I make no concessions." I'd answer with "I'd expect none, if you do likewise". A challenging romance, to be sure, and it stays a challenge even if it works, but in many aspects the perfect relationship.
As for how Miranda would compete: with little difficulty, if you ask me. I think she is competitive, and while she wouldn't compromise, wouldn't hide anything of what she is, she's perfectly capable of showing what she has in the best possible light, be it in appearance or personality. She'd be able to act in a way that her mere entrance is a statement of contempt for her rivals. No, we don't see that in the game, but it's what would fit her character concept. She must have, after all, considerable experience in impressing men, or she wouldn't move like she does or speak with confidence about using her looks to gain an advantage. Really, being her rival must suck (btw, perhaps that's why so many female players dislike her)

Well played.  It would definitely be challenging for sure in that she would have to find a partner out of the millions who would accept and complement her personality closely enough for a relationship to work. A person like that would be very rare indeed, because it all boils down to pure compatibility. If the other party is unable to reconcile with the kind of person Miranda is, presenting her best foot forward would only serve to highlight the differences between them. But I agree that if both are on the same wavelength, Miranda can have no rivals.

@jtav:
I think her insecurity would only affect the part after the competition, where she has to go from impressing someone to gain his trust and trust him in return.
As for the femme fatale: she dooms men in the end. I wouldn't have liked that. And while I'd have liked her to act more of that aspect out, it requires more social situations, which the game is lacking.

That's also one of the reasons why I'm glad the writers didn't write her as a seductress. That would be the nail in the coffin for most female players, more than any other perceived flaws Miranda has. My own reservation with portraying Miranda that way is, it would be the obvious and easiest way out. Use what she amply have (physical assets) to get what she wants. It's a cop-out imo. The fact that she banks on her looks sparingly is another inversion to the stereotype-- something I very much prefer.

Modifié par Elyvern, 30 septembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[jtav]

I wouldn't be interested in seeing her seduce Shepard, but I wouldn't have minded if she'd used her looks in the course of the mission. Transform those outfits of hers into something besides gratuitous fanservice (or, better yet, dress her something more appropriate). Have her step in if Shepard doesn't have the necessary persuade points. I don't think she's had to compete for someone's affections often or regarded most of her partners as someone worth fighting over. You don't fight for your one night stand. I'm not sure how she would deal if someone she truly cared for was also being pursued by someone else.

[fongiel24]

I think we don't see Miranda seeming to make any attempt to charm Shepard because a relationship with him is precisely what she doesn't want. Almost all the way up to the engine room scene, she's trying to either push him away or rationalize away their relationship. She knows her mission is crucial and she doesn't want to f it up by introducing a relationship.

If she was trying to seduce him, I think Miranda would take a more subtle approach than using her body. Shepard is a war hero. He can take his pick of any number of attractive females. Miranda might be gorgeous, but gorgeous women aren't that rare. I think Miranda would approach Shepard like she does a mission or project. She would figure out his likes and dislikes, his interests, his fears, and tailor her approach to him specifically. She wouldn't change who she was or deliberately misrepresent herself (if she needs to change who she is to attract Shepard, she wouldn't be attracted to him), but she would present herself in a way that would set her apart from all the other women trying to get Shepard's attention.

If Miranda had real feelings for Shepard and was forced to compete, I think she'd take a similar approach, just because she likely doesn't have much experience and thus would fall back on what she knows. I can see her more tactical approach going both ways - either working flawlessly or failing miserably. Her keen understanding of people could allow her to outmaneuver the competition but on the other hand, it could come across as calculating and unnatural. Ultimately her success would depend on Shepard of course (or whoever it is she's pursuing).

Regarding Miranda and Oriana's chat exchanges, Miranda's advice of "just be yourself and let him notice you" makes sense in this situation. It's not advice she'd follow, but then again she's not Oriana. Miranda recognizes that Oriana is much younger, less experienced, and therefore more vulnerable to her emotions and may not be as self-aware as she is. Miranda is trying to protect her younger sister from ending up in a bad relationship.

Modifié par fongiel24, 30 septembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[t3HPrO]

@jtav

Because most women don't even know that there's a forum. Thus the Miri-loving women don't know that they can show support for Miranda here. Also, we have to take into account those damn talitrollers who are male but claim to he female just to skew votes in favor of...well, y'know who.

[t3HPrO]

I'd want to see Miranda seduce Shepard. Also, I find that it's better if Miranda was portrayed as a seductress who could alternate between that and being a woman who uses her brains, resources and wits to succeed. It would be a 'balance', so to speak.

[t3HPrO]

And I like how Miri is trying to protect Oriana from the heartbreak she most likely suffered from, despite having no clue how to protect her little sis. It's really sweet.

[jtav]

I am so weak. I had every intention of not having Miranda speak to her sister. I couldn't go through with it. She was just so miserable after shooting Niket. On a happier note, I am almost done with the first chapter of the Miranda/Liara story. I assume that you guys will want a link? There will be adult content eventually, but we're a long way from that. I'm fond of things like plot and character development.

[Arijharn]

I don't really agree t3hpro. I can't see Miranda seducing Shephard purely because she does have feelings for him (even as she denies it for the longest time)

[enayasoul]

t3HPrO wrote...

I'd want to see Miranda seduce Shepard. Also, I find that it's better if Miranda was portrayed as a seductress who could alternate between that and being a woman who uses her brains, resources and wits to succeed. It would be a 'balance', so to speak.

Me tooo! I'd think it would be so hot!    

But didn't she seduce him a little bit with the engine scene?  You know, never did think Shepard would be in pain on that floor.  Poor Miranda if he flipped her around and she was on the hard metal floor getting busy. ha ha ha.  Oh the images that fly by in my mind.

I have written scenes with her all over shephard...  from flirty banter to sex locales... 

 

Modifié par enayasoul, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:08 .

[enayasoul]

Arijharn wrote...

I don't really agree t3hpro. I can't see Miranda seducing Shephard purely because she does have feelings for him (even as she denies it for the longest time)

I'd think if Shepard and Miranda were in a relationship... her seducing him would be believeable and sexy.  And shepard doing the same during say everyday tasks on board the ship.

Just finished watching "private practice" a perfect scene i could see if it was Miranda and Shepard.

They are both in the elevator, Shepard could behind Miranda admiring that ass.  Miranda would be smiling of course...

and then if Miranda is so reserved... would she say something like... "Stop looking at me that way, they will know we did something dirty.":P maybe in a flirty kind of way.  And he'd be all over trying to seduce her in the elevator.

Like she doesn't want people to know what they did... would it make sense?  or would she want to be "caught in the act" to prove he's is hers?   but then it goes back to that romance conflict that she doesn't want to share and for him to tell the other chick it's over.

and the engine scene... was it another way of saying to the females he's mine?

Modifié par enayasoul, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:11 .

[enayasoul]

while playing through the collector base... Miranda says one line I found interesting... "Nobody ever gets what they want?"



This was when Shepard, Tali, and Miranda were looking at the pile of dead bodies. I had picked the second option. "A bad way to die."

[Arijharn]

For some reason, when I think of the engine room I don't think it as being 'confined' to the engine room. More like: lets be here for some serious foreplay, but before long we'll graduate to somewhere mutually comfortable...

[VivaLaNES]

jtav wrote...

I am so weak. I had every intention of not having Miranda speak to her sister. I couldn't go through with it. She was just so miserable after shooting Niket. On a happier note, I am almost done with the first chapter of the Miranda/Liara story. I assume that you guys will want a link? There will be adult content eventually, but we're a long way from that. I'm fond of things like plot and character development.

How can I say this with out sounding totally crazy?

Heck yeah!

Not too crazy eh?

[Nightwriter]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Shepard has a mediocre build? I can´t quite agree on that. In my eyes, Jacob isn´t that much more muscular than Sheploo either. *shrugs*

Aedan1992 wrote...

I agree with Errol Dnamyx. I think shepard is even more mucular than jacob since shepard had alot more training than him. Its just that it has never been shown because of the casual outfits. But i think it would be cool to see what shepard's cannon body would look like.

You know in the beginning I'd hoped manShep would wake up on Lazarus Station with no shirt on instead of fully clothed. It would've made sense and I'd get a nice good look.

But again I'm subjected to another game where I don't get to see him shirtless, not once. It's a damn travesty.

I say he has a mediocre build because he's got the exact same body as every other joe in the game. Joker, Harkin, Conrad Verner. You'd think they'd give the protagonist a unique body.

Jacob does have a unique body. Unique = better. Plus we get to actually see it. And verify the muscle tone.

But obviously it's Zaeed who has the best body in the game. Now if only something could be done about that face...

[fongiel24]

t3HPrO wrote...

I'd want to see Miranda seduce Shepard. Also, I find that it's better if Miranda was portrayed as a seductress who could alternate between that and being a woman who uses her brains, resources and wits to succeed. It would be a 'balance', so to speak.

I can't see Miranda using her seduction skills on Shepard unless it was purely for fun after they were already in a relationship (such as in the elevator scene). My interpetation of Miranda is that she doesn't mix business and pleasure. Shepard is business. I see her desperately trying to bury any attraction to him and attempting to keep their relationship professional. She didn't initially want to start a relationship with him over the course of ME2 - it just happened and she was swept up in it, something that terrifies her since she's used to always being in control.

@Night - Yeah, that was one of the things that bugged me from the moment I began my first playthrough of ME2 - why is Shepard fully clothed despite the fact Lazarus isn't done with him? At most, he should be wearing a hospital gown. The weird thing is, if you give Shepard the outfit with the orange vest, his biceps are a lot bigger than when he's wearing a t-shirt. You can really notice it in Samara's loyalty mission in the club if your Shepard is wearing a t-shirt while talking to the guy by the door (the one looking for Expel 10 tickets) since he's wearing a recolour of Shepard's casual vest outfit.

Modifié par fongiel24, 01 octobre 2010 - 06:31 .

[Nightwriter]

Yeah, but what if TIM had ordered her to seduce Shepard, eh? *eyebrow wiggle* Now there's some interesting romantic conflict.

I don't like how Shepard's fully dressed when he wakes up either. I mean my ME2 import Shep wakes up in the Kasumi DLC outfit. Besides, I've always liked when the character wakes up and has to find clothes or something.

Shep's arms definitely look bigger in the vest, but they still look the exact freaking same as the guy you mentioned in Afterlife and that kid who almost signed up to kill Archangel. Which leads me to think even if you slapped that outfit on Manuel he'd suddenly have pumped arms too. Which makes Shep's pumped arms in the outfit totally meaningless.

[Aedan1992]

I hope that in ME3 or future DLC they come up with a casual oufit that only shepard is wearing. And not some recolored standard outfit like they did with kasumi DLC.

[Aedan1992]

Nightwriter@ I don't think TIM ordered miranda to seduce shepard. Otherwise she would have done it even if you didn't romance her.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 01 octobre 2010 - 08:12 .

[Nightwriter]

Haha, I wasn't saying he ordered her, I was saying, wouldn't it be interesting if he had?

Seriously, think about it.

Miranda tries to flirt with/seduce Shepard. After she does it we see her going back to her office and sighing, then putting her face in her hands. You get an impression of great weariness. You see her computer ping and it's the Illusive Man asking for a Shep seduction update.

This way people who don't want to romance Miranda see she doesn't like what she's doing and don't totally hate her.

At the same time people who do want to romance Miranda are intrigued.

We actually see a femme fatale acting like a femme fatale, and using her ridiculous outfit for once like BioWare says she does.

The romance paths would be, let yourself be seduced, or fight her and try to get past her front. She starts to feel conflicted toward you as she begins to fall in love and you become "more than just an assignment".

[Jebel Krong]

@ fongiel & nightwriter - not only is he suddenly fully-clothed but when he jumps off the bed he suddenly has full combat-armour on...



as for the body-shape, in order to save memory they use the same body-type for a lot of npcs - hence kaiden and the crew of both ships have the exact same body as shepard. it sucks but it's just a game mechanic cheat.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
Miranda tries to flirt with/seduce Shepard. After she does it we see her going back to her office and sighing, then putting her face in her hands. You get an impression of great weariness. You see her computer ping and it's the Illusive Man asking for a Shep seduction update.

This way people who don't want to romance Miranda see she doesn't like what she's doing and don't totally hate her.

At the same time people who do want to romance Miranda are intrigued.

We actually see a femme fatale acting like a femme fatale, and using her ridiculous outfit for once like BioWare says she does.

The romance paths would be, let yourself be seduced, or fight her and try to get past her front. She starts to feel conflicted toward you as she begins to fall in love and you become "more than just an assignment".

I don't think that would work. Once I'd have seen that scene with Miranda at her desk giving TIM the update, I'd likely lose any motivation to follow her romance path, because it would make me feel like I'm exploiting her and that she *really* doesn't like me, as opposed to the reservedness we see now. Everyone who wanted to romance her would have to go through that decidedly uncomfortable period. That would be much worse than her initial coldness as far as I'm concerned. 

[Aedan1992]

Nightwriter wrote...

Haha, I wasn't saying he ordered her, I was saying, wouldn't it be interesting if he had?

Seriously, think about it.

Miranda tries to flirt with/seduce Shepard. After she does it we see her going back to her office and sighing, then putting her face in her hands. You get an impression of great weariness. You see her computer ping and it's the Illusive Man asking for a Shep seduction update.

This way people who don't want to romance Miranda see she doesn't like what she's doing and don't totally hate her.

At the same time people who do want to romance Miranda are intrigued.

We actually see a femme fatale acting like a femme fatale, and using her ridiculous outfit for once like BioWare says she does.

The romance paths would be, let yourself be seduced, or fight her and try to get past her front. She starts to feel conflicted toward you as she begins to fall in love and you become "more than just an assignment".

Yes the way you put it, i think it could intresting to see.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
and the engine scene... was it another way of saying to the females he's mine?

We have thoroughly debunked that theory. Details in the Miranda Lawson FAQ.

Also, I don't think she'd like to be caught in the act. But if she and Shepard were, for instance, stepping out of the elevator with that certain smile on their faces, it's possible she'd enjoy the questioning or suggestive looks of the crew. (btw, I think she'd enjoy this even if nothing had actually happened).

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I am so weak. I had every intention of not having Miranda speak to her sister. I couldn't go through with it. She was just so miserable after shooting Niket. On a happier note, I am almost done with the first chapter of the Miranda/Liara story. I assume that you guys will want a link? There will be adult content eventually, but we're a long way from that. I'm fond of things like plot and character development.

Then I'm as weak as you. I also cannot do that.  And yes, I'd like a link once you have something.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't think that would work. Once I'd have seen that scene with Miranda at her desk giving TIM the update, I'd likely lose any motivation to follow her romance path, because it would make me feel like I'm exploiting her and that she *really* doesn't like me, as opposed to the reservedness we see now. Everyone who wanted to romance her would have to go through that decidedly uncomfortable period. That would be much worse than her initial coldness as far as I'm concerned. 

This wouldn't be a factor at all because the scene I describe would happen really early on - before Miranda even really knows Shepard as a person, or vice versa.

Then the player has Miranda's whole loyalty mission to play through and things really start to change.