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[Elyvern]

Here's something to do: another thread about the SB dossiers on Miranda. Let the white-knighting begin!



http://social.biowar...index/4717923/1

[jtav]

At this point, I just wish people would let it go. My only problem is timeline issues and I prefer to massage those as much as possible.

[fongiel24]

Elyvern wrote...

Femshep has a shower scene? When was that? And considering default maleshep is Mr. I-can't-get-rid-of-that-stubble-despite-shaving, would they have to give him chest hair? Or face being called unrealistic? The mind boggles.  

Well, a lot of guys don't have much body hair, blacks and Asians in particular. Since Shepard can be portrayed as any race, I don't think Bioware would bother unnecessarily creating more work for themselves by rendering body hair. I also read somewhere that some special forces units actually shave off their body hair. There's a few reasons for it, but one of the ones given was so it'd be easier to slip into drysuits, tight fitting body armour, etc. I don't know if it was true though.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
At this point, I just wish people would let it go. My only problem is timeline issues and I prefer to massage those as much as possible.

Unfortunately, as opposed to the other dossiers, Miranda's is not so easy to ignore. I won't bring it up again, but if someone else does, I won't hesitate to reply.

@Bioware:

[jtav]

I would be happy if people (outside this thread) would stop acting as if a one-night stand is a crime against nature. It's a bit of a berserk button for me.

[Elyvern]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's been a while since there is an overriding agreement that Miranda's relationship with Shepard is a one night stand. Besides, I think most of us agree that it is potentially more than that (even though I'd agree with fongiel in that I would address the repercussions of such a possibility post-suicide mission) so it doesn't bother me that much what non-fans think.

Modifié par Elyvern, 02 octobre 2010 - 01:06 .

[jtav]

I was referring to the iPartners revelation. I doubt those lasted beyond the night. I don't like the romance, but I think they'll try to make a go of it.

[enayasoul]

I hope Miranda and Shepard can still be together in ME3 if not what's the point of all these romances. I think they have a chance at happiness as do all the other romance options.

[Ieldra]

Here a screenshot from the end of her loyalty mission:







and one of the few one where I like her in white:

[Aedan1992]

jtav wrote...

I would be happy if people (outside this thread) would stop acting as if a one-night stand is a crime against nature. It's a bit of a berserk button for me.

There is absolutly nothing wrong with a one-night stand, and i'm absolutly not going to hate her for it. But i can understand that some fans who romanced her are a little hurt by it. But they should consider this, shepard is also not a saint (the way he handles miranda in the romance scene should prove it). I'm absolutly certain that he also had alot one-night stands with women during his career with the alliance or before. 

Modifié par Aedan1992, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Aedan1992]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here a screenshot from the end of her loyalty mission:

My favorite moment of miri:wub:

[BioticInfiltrator]

Nightwriter wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

The seduction idea would be interesting, but I don't see why TIM would want Miranda to seduce Shepard. Her job is to keep him on task and focused. How is he focused if all he can think of is how amazing Miranda's ass looks in her outfit?

Well I can answer that.

I think TIM’s biggest worry about Shepard would be Shepard’s distrust. TIM would be chiefly concerned with controlling Shepard. A good way to do that is to make Shepard feel more comfortable working with Cerberus or
get leverage over Shepard somehow.

If Miranda seduced Shepard it might help Shepard’s feelings toward Cerberus, and if Miranda established a close rapport with Shepard, he might open up to her, giving TIM an advantage he could use.

I just came to this post while I was reading back. And I would like to say that it wouldn't make too much sense for her to tell TIM that he has her resignation from Cerberus. Also, her response about destroying the Collector base wouldn't make too much sense either....

Unless it's a ploy to cover up TIM's real manipulation of Shepard. I could see this happening but, she did sound pretty damn serious about it. Not to mention she would probably have a problem with being an enemy of Cerberus.

I also read a couple of thoughts on DLC. If they do a LI-ish DLC, (you wouldn't of had to romance her for the DLC to not have any meaning.) they would do something along the lines that TIM let slip were Miranda's sister is located and her dad has captured her and well he needs to die in order to free her or an alternate route for the paragons but I would have no problem killing him after what he put Miranda through. This would solidify Miranda's romance option for Shepard and it would be the ultimate last straw for her loyalty towards Cerberus.

If the above paragraph is totally of base. I will admit I have not played LotSB...I am unfortunately waiting to get
payed.....

Modifié par BioticInfiltrator, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:11 .

[Axestone]

*add to collection*
Charmingly...

Modifié par Axestone, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:44 .

[Caihn]

Aedan1992 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here a screenshot from the end of her loyalty mission:

My favorite moment of miri:wub:

One of my favorite moment too... she's so beautiful on that pic

[Arijharn]

I hope that the dynamics between Oriana/Mr. X/Miranda gets put into "overdrive" to quote Commander Jim Raynor in at least ME3 although obviously I'd like to see DLC featuring her (but I view that as being exceptionally unlikely since she can die, unless it was generic post suicide mission type DLC missions)

[Elyvern]

BioticInfiltrator wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

The seduction idea would be interesting, but I don't see why TIM would want Miranda to seduce Shepard. Her job is to keep him on task and focused. How is he focused if all he can think of is how amazing Miranda's ass looks in her outfit?

Well I can answer that.

I think TIM’s biggest worry about Shepard would be Shepard’s distrust. TIM would be chiefly concerned with controlling Shepard. A good way to do that is to make Shepard feel more comfortable working with Cerberus or
get leverage over Shepard somehow.

If Miranda seduced Shepard it might help Shepard’s feelings toward Cerberus, and if Miranda established a close rapport with Shepard, he might open up to her, giving TIM an advantage he could use.

I just came to this post while I was reading back. And I would like to say that it wouldn't make too much sense for her to tell TIM that he has her resignation from Cerberus. Also, her response about destroying the Collector base wouldn't make too much sense either....

Unless it's a ploy to cover up TIM's real manipulation of Shepard. I could see this happening but, she did sound pretty damn serious about it. Not to mention she would probably have a problem with being an enemy of Cerberus.

I also read a couple of thoughts on DLC. If they do a LI-ish DLC, (you wouldn't of had to romance her for the DLC to not have any meaning.) they would do something along the lines that TIM let slip were Miranda's sister is located and her dad has captured her and well he needs to die in order to free her or an alternate route for the paragons but I would have no problem killing him after what he put Miranda through. This would solidify Miranda's romance option for Shepard and it would be the ultimate last straw for her loyalty towards Cerberus.

If the above paragraph is totally of base. I will admit I have not played LotSB...I am unfortunately waiting to get
payed.....

Worry not. The seduction thing just a conjecture, a little something for us to have fun and discuss about, and personally I hope it stays entirely that way without a hint in the real games. 

There's an incongruity in your argument in that if Shepard doesn't destroy the base, Miranda will not resign, and thus she may still be part of Cerberus. And killing such a potentially amazing character as TIM for something as trivial as this (I mean if I were a writer, I would kill him only at the expense of something really game(galaxy)-breaking) just doesn't pan out.

I'm pretty sure we'll get at least one more major DLC that will bridge ME2 to ME3, which may also tie up nagging loose ends to wipe the slate even further for ME3. The most awful thing about ME3 to me is well...everyone can die, so I'm still up in the air about exclusive material for ME2 squadmates in 3, but a ME2 DLC can still feature them because it remains relevant. But if the devs decide to include LI related material for the last DLC which somehow resolves the conflict about Miranda & her father & Oriana, then I can only sadly conclude that it's probably the last time I'll see of Miranda in any major capacity. (No, the options of her being relegated to a role that another placeholder can take will not be satisfactory so that doesn't count).

[Ieldra]

I've finally got to watch Iron Man 2 in order to see how similar Natasha is to Miranda. The list of what I don't like in that movie would fill a book, but I can easily see Yvonne Strahovski as Miranda instead of Scarlett Johansson as Natasha in the (sadly few) scenes featuring her. Undercover work, sexiness, badass fighting, everything's there, and you'd need genetic engineering to explain the over-the-top fighting, LOL. Though it's admittedly cool. Only as opposed to her ME2 counterpart, Natasha doesn't get the chance to express much of a personality. I got an image of how Miranda could act if she ever appeared in a movie. I'd say I want one featuring her, except I fear it would be bad.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 02:46 .

[jtav]

Natasha/Natalia has considerably more personality (and ambiguity) in the comics. That screenshot from Miranda's loyalty mission is beautiful. Did I mention I've apparently lost the ability to go Renegade there? There's something about the final sequence that retains the ability to break my heart every time.

[Elyvern]

Wait till you get a chance to see Emma Frost in action in X-Men: First class. The only glaring difference between Emma and Miranda is Emma is a bonafide femme fatale, but other than that, their characterisations are pretty similar. As I mentioned before, a friend of mine clinched my interest in ME2 with that character analogy.

As an aside: I do find it interesting that most of the prominent biotics in the ME universe seem to be women. Someone brought up the archetype about how in fantasy, men are usually the warriors, with women mostly being mages. I found that similar in the sense of how in the Marvelverse, most of the telepaths are women as well.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...
Wait till you get a chance to see Emma Frost in action in X-Men: First class. The only glaring difference between Emma and Miranda is Emma is a bonafide femme fatale, but other than that, their characterisations are pretty similar.

How do you know? The movie isn't out yet...

As an aside: I do find it interesting that most of the prominent biotics in the ME universe seem to be women. Someone brought up the archetype about how in fantasy, men are usually the warriors, with women mostly being mages. I found that similar in the sense of how in the Marvelverse, most of the telepaths are women as well.

I don't know much about the Marvelverse, but otherwise yes, I've also noticed that tendency. It isn't surprising IMO, that role allocation fits millenia-old stereotypes.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...
Wait till you get a chance to see Emma Frost in action in X-Men: First class. The only glaring difference between Emma and Miranda is Emma is a bonafide femme fatale, but other than that, their characterisations are pretty similar.

How do you know? The movie isn't out yet...

I meant that in the sense that it would be the easiest way to get to know the character unless you are willing to wade through 30 years of comic book history. The other time Emma appeared on silver screen was in the Wolverine movie when she was portrayed as a teenager so that doesn't count. X-Men: First class may not be out, but the character of Emma Frost is very well-established in the comics and unless the screen writers bungle up her character, you will probably see the similarities.

Modifié par Elyvern, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:22 .

[Ieldra]

Since my last screenshot was received so well, here's another old classic:







@jtav:

Unfortunately, it's unlikely I'll ever see the comics. Or are there new ones with her? Regarding the scene with Oriana, yes you mentioned you can't not make Miranda speak with Oriana. You're in good company I guess...

[jtav]

Ieldra, Black Widow/Natasha actually has her own comic book now, and regularly features in Captain America. And I mentioned the scene with Oriana because it surprised me. At one time, I had more saves where she didn't speak to Oriana.

[t3HPrO]

Whenever I think of Miri, Ne-yo's 'Miss Independent' also comes to mind with great thoughts of her. I find the song extremely fitting to Miri's character. If you haven't heard it, go do it NOW on YouTube. Love that song and Miri.

[Arijharn]

Isn't Emma Frost the character that is basically only ever wearing corsets and looking more to be wearing lingerie than actual clothes?



As appealing as it would be to see Miranda (Yvonne) occassionally wearing lingerie, I don't think it would be that effective as a fighting garb (other than confusing some men and their hormones vs. the actual situation)