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[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

I think I'm the only one who doesn't like the kiss. I don't dislike it. It just does nothing for me. Maybe I should have my title changed to "Official Contrarian."

Yes, but I wasn't talking about the real conversation option in game (which I happen to like very much), but Yannkee's video. A video is neccessary a distilled retelling of events in the game, and viewing a video is an experience onto itself, with events featured not even neccessarily needing to follow a chronological or a cause-effect order (in case you feel that picking 1 conversation option pre-empts another in a video).

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think I'm the only one who doesn't like the kiss. I don't dislike it. It just does nothing for me. Maybe I should have my title changed to "Official Contrarian."

Yes, but I wasn't talking about the real conversation option in game (which I happen to like very much), but Yannkee's video. A video is neccessary a distilled retelling of events in the game, and viewing a video is an experience onto itself, with events featured not even neccessarily needing to follow a chronological or a cause-effect order (in case you feel that picking 1 conversation option pre-empts another in a video).

I wouldn't mind seeing both paths of that conversation in a video. I find it unfortunate that the kiss excludes "You give your father too much credit" and vice versa, since I like both very much.

[jtav]

Aedan1992 wrote...

Hey i was wondering. Does anyone know if miranda always buys that vid book "men are from omega women are from Ilium" or only if you romance her? Because i found it really sweet that she wanted to learn more about relationships. Maybe how she could work out her relation with shepard.

I believe there's nothing romance-exclusive in the dossier.

Elyvern, of coutse using both dialogue options in a vid os fine. Your statement merely made me think of my own reaction to the kiss and how unusual it is. And yes, I do like parts of the romance, believe it or not.

[Caihn]

Elyvern wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

To be honest, your video got me through many a dull day. The only (minor!) quibble I have was I felt there was too much silence in between the speech parts, and I thought LotSB especially what Liara says at the end to Shepard would help fill some of those gaps nicely.

I will try. But I want to keep the final part (with the romance scene) without speeches.

Not a problem about the end without speeches, it is more memorable that way anyway. And since I'm a latecomer, I'd assume someone may have asked this already, but why not add the renegad-ish segment with the kiss and then Miranda being flustered? Personally, I thought that including that scene prior to the 3.40 would augment that part. Again, thanks for the video and ignore my comments if you wish. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents here.

I don't like the renegade path during the romance. I chose my favorite lines for the video. I could add the kiss but without the renegade dialogue I don't think it would mean something.

I think the best part of the video I could replace with the LotBS dialogues is the part when Shepard, Miri and Kasumi are saving Legion.

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

To be honest, your video got me through many a dull day. The only (minor!) quibble I have was I felt there was too much silence in between the speech parts, and I thought LotSB especially what Liara says at the end to Shepard would help fill some of those gaps nicely.

I will try. But I want to keep the final part (with the romance scene) without speeches.

Not a problem about the end without speeches, it is more memorable that way anyway. And since I'm a latecomer, I'd assume someone may have asked this already, but why not add the renegad-ish segment with the kiss and then Miranda being flustered? Personally, I thought that including that scene prior to the 3.40 would augment that part. Again, thanks for the video and ignore my comments if you wish. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents here.

I don't like the renegade path during the romance. I chose my favorite lines for the video. I could add the kiss but without the renegade dialogue I don't think it would mean something.

I think the best part of the video I could replace with the LotBS dialogues is the part when Shepard, Miri and Kasumi are saving Legion.

I feel the renegade dialogue would still remain relevant since in the beginning of the video, you already added the allusion to the Lazarus Project, so it would provide a nice linkage. Also thought that bringing in that scene actually raises more conflict and tension for the video which would make resolution at the end the more poignant, but point taken, you're the author.

Modifié par Elyvern, 03 octobre 2010 - 08:36 .

[Caihn]

The first part of the video is not related to the romance. I'm not fan of linking the lazarus project with the romance.
And I think the lines I pick for the romance are more meaningful. I understand why some prefer the renegade ones, but it's not the way I like to consider Miri's romance.

Modifié par Yannkee, 03 octobre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

The first part of the video is not related to the romance.
And I think the lines I pick for the romance are more meaningful. I understand why some prefer the renegade ones, but it's not the way I like to consider Miri's romance.

Actually that was my point, that there isn't a need to consider both paragon and renegade options as mutually exclusive when we're looking at a video that presents a condensed version of Miri & Shep's story. Naturally in-game, some people would prefer one to another, but a video presentation can work on its own and stand solely on its merits and my suggestions was aimed purely at enhancing the video using all the available cutscene options in-game.  

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I doubt Miranda has had her strength artificially enhanced beyond what her genes have given her. She doesn't need tremendous brute strength, and she's already above average. I imagine any implants she had would be targeted towards improving her speed, reaction time, endurance, etc.

Wouldn't speed and endurance be related to strength anyway though?

The reason I think she's undergone some enhancement is that she tends to take a very utilitarian view on most things. If there was something that could make her better at her job, I think she would do it. She wouldn't get military-grade augmentations, but I imagine her getting some augmentation done, possibly with experimental Cerberus tech. Great physical strength isn't as useful for her as a frontline combatant, but even as a spy I can see it occasionally being useful, particularly in hand-to-hand combat where training, speed, and technique can only make up for strength to a certain degree.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then you give them too much credit. I think the idea was exactly that: to create a whole species of blue-skinned space babes. Originality was likely something they wished to do, but it was eaten up by the primary requirements: looking like "babes" and being able to mate with anything.

I guess the effect is somewhat lost on me because I've never thought any of the asari were that attractive. They're more pleasant to look at than krogan or turians, but I just don't think of them in that way.

Modifié par fongiel24, 03 octobre 2010 - 08:53 .

[Caihn]

Elyvern wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

The first part of the video is not related to the romance.
And I think the lines I pick for the romance are more meaningful. I understand why some prefer the renegade ones, but it's not the way I like to consider Miri's romance.

Actually that was my point, that there isn't a need to consider both paragon and renegade options as mutually exclusive when we're looking at a video that presents a condensed version of Miri & Shep's story. Naturally in-game, some people would prefer one to another, but a video presentation can work on its own and stand solely on its merits and my suggestions was aimed purely at enhancing the video using all the available cutscene options in-game.  

I didn't want to make a video which present all dialogues options. 
It's like the lines "Love ?" or "Don't know don't care" : I chose the one I prefer. It's my vision of the romance. I know I can't please everyone with this, but I will never make a video with scenes I don't like 

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

The first part of the video is not related to the romance.
And I think the lines I pick for the romance are more meaningful. I understand why some prefer the renegade ones, but it's not the way I like to consider Miri's romance.

Actually that was my point, that there isn't a need to consider both paragon and renegade options as mutually exclusive when we're looking at a video that presents a condensed version of Miri & Shep's story. Naturally in-game, some people would prefer one to another, but a video presentation can work on its own and stand solely on its merits and my suggestions was aimed purely at enhancing the video using all the available cutscene options in-game.  

I didn't want to make a video which present all dialogues options. 
It's like the lines "Love ?" or "Don't know don't care" : I chose the one I prefer. It's my vision of the romance. I know I can't please everyone with this, but I will never make a video with scenes I don't like 

No worries.

[eldav]

[Edit: Obvious troll is obvious. -- Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 03 octobre 2010 - 10:32 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I doubt Miranda has had her strength artificially enhanced beyond what her genes have given her. She doesn't need tremendous brute strength, and she's already above average. I imagine any implants she had would be targeted towards improving her speed, reaction time, endurance, etc.

Wouldn't speed and endurance be related to strength anyway though?

The reason I think she's undergone some enhancement is that she tends to take a very utilitarian view on most things. If there was something that could make her better at her job, I think she would do it. She wouldn't get military-grade augmentations, but I imagine her getting some augmentation done, possibly with experimental Cerberus tech.

She doesn't have a very utilitarian view of her own body. She's got problems enough with how her body was made by her father even without added implants. I think adding artificial parts without them being so useful that it's almost unimaginable to not get them wouldn't appeal to her. Added strength isn't useful enough, even if it could be done without showing.

[Obvakhi]

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Does anyone have a full sized picture of Miranda in this pose? I can't find it anywhere.

EDIT: Er... why does the file destination info appear here?

Modifié par Obvakhi, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:49 .

[Ieldra]

I don't think that pose exists in the game. It's a typical promo shot, specifically designed so she's shooting while you can see both her face and her behind. Very contrived.

As for why the file names appear: to make a picture appear on the forum, it has to be online somewhere. You can't link a picture on your PC on the forum. Of the six images you have linked, only one is online.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:03 .

[Axestone]

Obvakhi



Wallpaper will fit?

[Nightwriter]

Aedan1992 wrote...

Hey i was wondering. Does anyone know if miranda always buys that vid book "men are from omega women are from Ilium" or only if you romance her? Because i found it really sweet that she wanted to learn more about relationships. Maybe how she could work out her relation with shepard.

No, I have no idea. I guess I always just assumed that's always in there.

[Obvakhi]

Thanks so much Axestone, I've been wanting to make that a wallpaper forever.
Btw, is there a certain website where you got that?

Modifié par Obvakhi, 04 octobre 2010 - 06:54 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

She doesn't have a very utilitarian view of her own body. She's got problems enough with how her body was made by her father even without added implants. I think adding artificial parts without them being so useful that it's almost unimaginable to not get them wouldn't appeal to her. Added strength isn't useful enough, even if it could be done without showing.

She tells you straight up in the first conversation that everything about her was designed to give her an edge. In her second conversation, Shepard even calls her on it with his "You talk about yourself like you're just a tool to be used." line. Miranda's sense of self-worth initially seems to be tied very closely to the extent of her usefulness to the cause she's fighting for. If the risk and recovery time were low enough, I can't see her passing up on something that would make her a more useful tool.

I don't really see how augmentation as an adult would relate to her existentialist issues anyway. These would be implants she's installing on her own initiative, not ones her father is forcing on her in his attempt to make a more perfect heir.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
She doesn't have a very utilitarian view of her own body. She's got problems enough with how her body was made by her father even without added implants. I think adding artificial parts without them being so useful that it's almost unimaginable to not get them wouldn't appeal to her. Added strength isn't useful enough, even if it could be done without showing.

She tells you straight up in the first conversation that everything about her was designed to give her an edge. In her second conversation, Shepard even calls her on it with his "You talk about yourself like you're just a tool to be used." line. Miranda's sense of self-worth initially seems to be tied very closely to the extent of her usefulness to the cause she's fighting for. If the risk and recovery time were low enough, I can't see her passing up on something that would make her a more useful tool.

I don't really see how augmentation as an adult would relate to her existentialist issues anyway. These would be implants she's installing on her own initiative, not ones her father is forcing on her in his attempt to make a more perfect heir.

No, but she wants to be a regular human (without realizing, of course, that in any way that counts, she already is). Cybernetic implants are anything but, they remove her quite a lot more from being that than her own engineered traits. I can see her using exoskeletons to boost her strength in the rare cases she needs it rather than using implants that can't be removed. Also - and this is the main reason I can't see it - it goes against her character concept.

Also, we know almost nothing about the prevalence of cybernetic implants. The Codex only mentions genetic modifications. Soldiers are not mentioned as having implants. Shepard would be a unique exception if we couldn't buy the stuff at shops, and that might just be a gameplay artifact as the only reason we assume he has implants rather than armor enhancements are the names of the strength- and health-related upgrades. So far, I've envisioned the ME universe as having a very limited range of cybernetic enhancements, mainly restricted to greyboxes and bio-amps. Biological modifications are much more common.

[Axestone]

Obvakhi

Btw, is there a certain website where you got that?

Yes, russian fan-site

[Jebel Krong]

Obvakhi wrote...

Thanks so much Axestone, I've been wanting to make that a wallpaper forever.
Btw, is there a certain website where you got that?

the image is one of the official promotional images produced for magazine reviews etc. i used to have a psd file of an extracted scan for it, but no longer, and whilst i could do it again, it took ages to get even half-decent last time...

edit: original scans -

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 04 octobre 2010 - 08:56 .

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

No, but she wants to be a regular human (without realizing, of course, that in any way that counts, she already is). Cybernetic implants are anything but, they remove her quite a lot more from being that than her own engineered traits. I can see her using exoskeletons to boost her strength in the rare cases she needs it rather than using implants that can't be removed. Also - and this is the main reason I can't see it - it goes against her character concept.

Also, we know almost nothing about the prevalence of cybernetic implants. The Codex only mentions genetic modifications. Soldiers are not mentioned as having implants. Shepard would be a unique exception if we couldn't buy the stuff at shops, and that might just be a gameplay artifact as the only reason we assume he has implants rather than armor enhancements are the names of the strength- and health-related upgrades. So far, I've envisioned the ME universe as having a very limited range of cybernetic enhancements, mainly restricted to greyboxes and bio-amps. Biological modifications are much more common.

I think you and I have different ideas about the prevalence of cybernetic implants in the ME universe and that's why I'm more inclined to think Miranda would be okay with having them installed. I don't think they're common, but I don't think they're incredibly rare either. I see them just as being somewhat expensive and difficult to attain outside of government agencies, the military, and maybe large corporations.

I'm not sure exactly what is meant by this, but I think this line from the ME2 class description for soldiers suggests some actually do have implants - "High-level operatives are outfitted with ocular synaptic processors that allow them to focus on targets with lethal accuracy.".

[Jebel Krong]

Shepard probably had at least some implants before his first death (like during ME1, and when he became a SPECTRE it's hinted at), even if he wasn't a biotic class, during Lazarus obviously some were added to aid the healing - that's shown in the cut-scene, but it's obviously not as extensive as you can pursue during the game itself (although infiltrator's cloak & eye upgrades for the time-dilation effect etc would probably fairly invasive).

as for Miranda herself, most of her upgradess were originally genetic/biological, but as Fongiel suggests, any operative/soldier would have access to more advanced stuff to give them an edge in the types of situations they would be expected to face, to think Miranda wouldn't take advantage of that is ooc.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 04 octobre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
as for Miranda herself, most of her upgradess were originally genetic/biological, but as Fongiel suggests, any operative/soldier would have access to more advanced stuff to give them an edge in the types of situations they would be expected to face, to think Miranda wouldn't take advantage of that is ooc.

She would use stuff any operative would have access to, yes. But there's still the question of exactly how much that is. As I said, the Codex mentions only bio-amps, greyboxes and accelerometers for haptic interfaces. Shepard can get health and melee damage upgrades, and then there's the auto-locking ocular processor in the Soldier class description. You could argue she'd get any of these, depending on availability and ease of use.

On the other side, I'm very sure she would be very uncomfortable with added cybernetic implants beyond her bio-amps, for they definitely make her less human. There's also the question of how much her genetic enhancements make cybernetic ones superfluous. Most notably: she never mentions she has any, and - again - it goes against her character concept. For that reason, as a rule I'd assume she's got nothing not explicitly mentioned (perhaps with the exception of an implanted communicator which everyone seems to have), and where that would generally implausible, that there are reasons she hasn't got more.

So, you can answer the question either way. Besides, I hate cyberpunk. I'd rather tone down that aspect as far as far as the official material allows me, while pushing the biological enhancement aspect as far as it allows me. Shepard's cybernetic enhancements have already served to reduce my identification with him/her, I don't need that for Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 octobre 2010 - 10:39 .

[Jebel Krong]

cybernetic/biological enhancements would be almost identical at the microscopic/nanotech level - the skin upgrades in me2 are evidence of this, and are really just logical extensions of already-existing biological mechanisms. once you've started down that road, and overcome the mental resistance to the idea, then it would become ubiquitous. Miranda has bioamps already, any other upgrades would probably be less invasive than those, so she would have no fear of them or anyone about losing their identity.

Heavy Bone Weave Skeletal Lattice
By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow for bone regenerations in a matter of days. -50% Damage to health from melee attacks.

Heavy Muscle Weave Microfiber Weave
Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion. +25% Melee damage.

Heavy Skin Weave
(x6) Lattice Shunting
Strong synthetic fibers can be woven through the skin, dramatically reducing damage taken from most attacks. These fibers also act as a medi-gel conduit, improving healing.



as with all classes, the default class-upgrades are clearly internalised.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 04 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .