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[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That was why I thought they'd like a home not so close to the hubs of civilization. I'm with jtav on this one. Miranda will continue to travel the galaxy and do behind-the-scenes work, but Shepard will be a political figure, like it or not, which means he can't work as a Spectre anymore. Given his undeniable charisma, I guess he'd be a good mediator in major political conflicts, or a Councillor.

I can see Shep being some variety of Ambassador or one of the Councillors, but I also have this image of him being used as a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of Spectre. Yeah, he's visible (and then some), but he'd also serve as a kind of deterrent (perhaps in a similar manner to WMD's etc).

:lol: That's just *so* right.

Still, I can't really picture them working side by side a lot. Everyone needs time to themselves, and if you spend your working day with your other half, what are you going to talk about when you get home?

The dinner table discussions in the Shepard-Lawson household would be something else I'm sure...

Miranda: Wasn't that a stupid decision?
Shepard: It worked out, didn't it?
Miranda (grumbling): It always does for you.

[jtav]

It's in my top three for a reason.



As I said, my exact view of her future varies with my mood. I can see her as everything from the Illusive Woman to a Shadow Broker agent to a Spectre. And I can't believe I agreed with Ieldra on something again.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

That was why I thought they'd like a home not so close to the hubs of civilization. I'm with jtav on this one. Miranda will continue to travel the galaxy and do behind-the-scenes work, but Shepard will be a political figure, like it or not, which means he can't work as a Spectre anymore. Given his undeniable charisma, I guess he'd be a good mediator in major political conflicts, or a Councillor. Else I see few other options that to go very far away, which is another scenario I envision: mounting a major expedition to explore unknown regions of the galaxy (something long overdue), with a ship large enough to be a colony on its own. I guess Aethyta would be delighted to tag along as well.

What a wonderful idea! That or a fleet with support ships and such, like the quarian flotilla. Or even an expedition to the reaper sleeping grounds far out of the galaxy. May probably need reverse-engineering the reapers to find the tech that lets them travel so fast to our galaxy in a relatively short time. But it would still be a journey of many years. (Why does Cherryh's Union-Alliance books come to mind?) Even if we're talking about the unknown regions of the galaxy, there may not be mass relays and FTL would likely be the only viable way to travel. Something like this needs both Miranda and Shepard to either commit to it together, or go their seperate ways, unfortunately.

BTW, back tp Earth sounds appealing, but it's too packed with people. If Earth really has 16 billion, it's no wonder humanity is desperate for colonies, though in the long run, that won't save them from the necessity for birth control.

Take a trip to Earth (via the galaxy map) and click on the info page. Besides, there is nothing to say that Earth will not get hit during the Reaper war and lose a good amount of its population. (I'm gunning for that actually, a war without massive casualties is just not epic enough) 

Modifié par Elyvern, 06 octobre 2010 - 06:48 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That was why I thought they'd like a home not so close to the hubs of civilization. I'm with jtav on this one. Miranda will continue to travel the galaxy and do behind-the-scenes work, but Shepard will be a political figure, like it or not, which means he can't work as a Spectre anymore. Given his undeniable charisma, I guess he'd be a good mediator in major political conflicts, or a Councillor.

I can see Shep being some variety of Ambassador or one of the Councillors, but I also have this image of him being used as a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of Spectre. Yeah, he's visible (and then some), but he'd also serve as a kind of deterrent (perhaps in a similar manner to WMD's etc).

:lol: That's just *so* right.

That's actually a problem I have. I can't see Shepard as a paper-pusher. Of course, Anderson was another "Shepard" that made the transition to councillor, but even he has issues about it. I can imagine a council meeting.

Salarian councillor: The Batarians are acting up again.
Shepard: No problem. I'll lead a team and resolve it.
Anderson: Down, Shepard!

Still, I can't really picture them working side by side a lot. Everyone needs time to themselves, and if you spend your working day with your other half, what are you going to talk about when you get home?

The dinner table discussions in the Shepard-Lawson household would be something else I'm sure...

Miranda: Wasn't that a stupid decision?
Shepard: It worked out, didn't it?
Miranda (grumbling): It always does for you.

Ahh...yes, the Shepard's Plot Sword strikes again.  Everything falls at his feet no matter how unconvincing his argument or the scenario is. I'm with you through, Prudii, I can't see them working and then going home together without eventually wanting to kill each other. Two such strong personalities will probably explode in anti-matter. I suspect it's why I'd imagine my Shepard letting Miranda take the lead in their personal lives while wisely saving his energy to fight other battles in his work.

Modifié par Elyvern, 06 octobre 2010 - 07:03 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That was why I thought they'd like a home not so close to the hubs of civilization. I'm with jtav on this one. Miranda will continue to travel the galaxy and do behind-the-scenes work, but Shepard will be a political figure, like it or not, which means he can't work as a Spectre anymore. Given his undeniable charisma, I guess he'd be a good mediator in major political conflicts, or a Councillor. Else I see few other options that to go very far away, which is another scenario I envision: mounting a major expedition to explore unknown regions of the galaxy (something long overdue), with a ship large enough to be a colony on its own. I guess Aethyta would be delighted to tag along as well.

What a wonderful idea! That or a fleet with support ships and such, like the quarian flotilla. Or even an expedition to the reaper sleeping grounds far out of the galaxy. May probably need reverse-engineering the reapers to find the tech that lets them travel so fast to our galaxy in a relatively short time. But it would still be a journey of many years. (Why does Cherryh's Union-Alliance books come to mind?) Even if we're talking about the unknown regions of the galaxy, there may not be mass relays and FTL would likely be the only viable way to travel. Something like this needs both Miranda and Shepard to either commit to it together, or go their seperate ways, unfortunately.

Of course I'd make them commit to it together - likely working far apart from each other to avoid your "anti-matter" problem, LOL. I had this idea because I thought Shepard would possibly hold a grudge against Council and Alliance politicians for how they treated him. He's also not suited for a politician and would have no meaningful line of work any more. Ending the stagnation of galactic civilization is long overdue, and last but not least, that's my variant of "riding off into the sunset together", a type of ending I'm particulary fond of.

I know Cherryh's books - she's one of my favorite authors - but I needed no inspiration for that idea. I just hope we'll get an epilogue option for something like this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
As I said, my exact view of her future varies with my mood. I can see her as everything from the Illusive Woman to a Shadow Broker agent to a Spectre. And I can't believe I agreed with Ieldra on something again.

In case you haven't noticed, our views on Miranda are not so dissimilar. I usually find the problems you give her appropriate (as in your post on the previous page), even where I don't exactly like them and wouldn't take them into my personal canon.

Here's the list of Miranda's problems I'm using in my fanfics of Miranda's pre-ME2 life. Some of them might disappear before the events of ME2:
*She often feels that her body isn't hers. To remedy the disconnection, she has lots of sex. Sometimes it works, but it never lasts.
*Her father set her up for attempted rape to trigger her biotics.
*One of her older sisters lives - and is her enemy. More like Jack, in fact.

I'm not as extreme as you regarding her happiness. She has her happy moments, but they never last - or so she believes. Like your Miranda, she's good with computers. She also likes baroque furnishings, has an expensive taste in clothing and is almost addicted to the thrill of jumping from great heights (her preferred mode of making an exit). 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 octobre 2010 - 08:11 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's the list of Miranda's problems I'm using in my fanfics of Miranda's pre-ME2 life. Some of them might disappear before the events of ME2:
*She often feels that her body isn't hers. To remedy the disconnection, she has lots of sex. Sometimes it works, but it never lasts.
*Her father set her up for attempted rape to trigger her biotics.
*One of her older sisters lives - and is her enemy. More like Jack, in fact.

I'm not as extreme as you regarding her happiness. She has her happy moments, but they never last - or so she believes. Like your Miranda, she's good with computers. She also likes baroque furnishings, has an expensive taste in clothing and is almost addicted to the thrill of jumping from great heights. 

I'm in agreement with both of you in that she would be good with computers. I'm actually thinking modernist & post-modernist movements may be more up her alley considering her partiality to Nelson's compositions. The SB dossier has already confirmed that she has an interest in fashion, and I think that trill of jumping from great heights is probably because your Miranda jumps from a high tower in the first place.

It sounds whacky, but the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think that other than the issue (a whole lot of issues actually, but that's beside the point) about having a child, Miranda would probably relish the idea of a natural conception and childbirth precisely because sex is, after all, just one part of the the natural process of biological reproduction. Conception and birth could be the extension of her pursuit for more experience of being human, and one possible only to the female gender.

Modifié par Elyvern, 06 octobre 2010 - 08:16 .

[Jebel Krong]

Prudii Aden wrote...

I can see Shep being some variety of Ambassador or one of the Councillors, but I also have this image of him being used as a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of Spectre. Yeah, he's visible (and then some), but he'd also serve as a kind of deterrent (perhaps in a similar manner to WMD's etc).

*snip*

i like and agree totally with the second part - wmd indeed! - but not the first, shepard's not the "ambassador" (or sedate for that matter) type. it was nice that tela vasir recognised him and respected him straight away in the SB DLC.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 06 octobre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Barhador]

We should in advance expect that epilogues (where they would live after ME3) are going to be very varied depending on choices made in all three games (hopefully). As my Shepard is a Paragon Earthborn I would like to settle on Earth and go back to my roots to fix the crime that is part of the Earthborn background. Imagine the power of the words from the savior of the galaxy (Shepard) would have on this. We know Miranda is interested in helping humanity and going back to Earth is certainly one way to do it.



"Going backwards" as one of you put it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's the list of Miranda's problems I'm using in my fanfics of Miranda's pre-ME2 life. Some of them might disappear before the events of ME2:
*She often feels that her body isn't hers. To remedy the disconnection, she has lots of sex. Sometimes it works, but it never lasts.
*Her father set her up for attempted rape to trigger her biotics.
*One of her older sisters lives - and is her enemy. More like Jack, in fact.

I'm not as extreme as you regarding her happiness. She has her happy moments, but they never last - or so she believes. Like your Miranda, she's good with computers. She also likes baroque furnishings, has an expensive taste in clothing and is almost addicted to the thrill of jumping from great heights. 

I'm in agreement with both of you in that she would be good with computers. I'm actually thinking modernist & post-modernist movements may be more up her alley considering her partiality to Nelson's compositions. The SB dossier has already confirmed that she has an interest in fashion, and I think that trill of jumping from great heights is probably because your Miranda jumps from a high tower in the first place.

It's not the last time, I promise. If I wanted to rationalize it, I'd say the experience reminds her of her exit from her former life.

It sounds whacky, but the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think that other than the issue (a whole lot of issues actually, but that's beside the point) about having a child, Miranda would probably relish the idea of a natural conception and childbirth precisely because sex is, after all, just one part of the the natural process of biological reproduction. Conception and birth could be the extension of her pursuit for more experience of being human, and one possible only to the female gender.

I'm unsure of what you're getting at here. I think she would indeed prefer to have a child naturally in part because of her exploring what it means to be human, but I also think that she likes sex is very much independent from that.

(going off for the night now, btw)

[Elyvern]

Barhador wrote...

We should in advance expect that epilogues (where they would live after ME3) are going to be very varied depending on choices made in all three games (hopefully). As my Shepard is a Paragon Earthborn I would like to settle on Earth and go back to my roots to fix the crime that is part of the Earthborn background. Imagine the power of the words from the savior of the galaxy (Shepard) would have on this. We know Miranda is interested in helping humanity and going back to Earth is certainly one way to do it.

"Going backwards" as one of you put it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

That's a valid interpretation, but it means he may have to work with government bodies to achieve something like that. And that's fine, my point was he wouldn't be able to work primarily for private organisations anymore, which reduces his opportunities for employment after ME3. It substantiates what I meant when I say he cannot go backwards because he cannot realistically be the one of the many alliance marines he was before prior to ME1, and be treated as such. Anything and everything he says and do post-ME3 will have political implications and will be scrutinised by the galactic public. THere is no way he can put that genie back in the bottle.

Modifié par Elyvern, 06 octobre 2010 - 08:45 .

[jtav]

There's always the possibility Shepard will die in ME3. I'm hoping for at least the option.

[t3HPrO]

Both of them would probably settle down somewhere. Probably the place you got from Pinnacle because it's remote, which means no paparazzi or Conrad Verner. Or maybe Earth. In my fic, I envision my Megan Shepard settling down with Miranda on earth and quitting the Alliance due to the 'don't die on me dammit' promise she made to Miranda, but nearly died when taking out Harby. Miranda could be the CEO of a megacorp, or a high ranking Alliance agent. Although I suspect that Miranda will most likely take up a position that doesn't require shooting, but rather her talents and brains.



There's my take. Shep and Miri get married, settle down somewhere and both have civilian jobs (or being the head of the Alliance Armed Forces for Shepard.) there, I've said my bit. Both Miri and Shep will be in peaceful jobs, and will settle down on earth, bekenstein or that house you got from Pinnacle. *looks around and loads HK416 in case of flamers*

[fongiel24]

I rarely think about Shepard/Miranda post-ME2 because I'm a masochist who loves tragic endings. In my head, Shepard and Miranda always end up either splitting up due to both of them being stubborn, dominant personalities, or the inevitable happens and Shepard dies at the apex of his glory, having attempted to defeat the odds one time too many. Even if he lives, my Shepard ends up irreversibly scarred and isolates himself from the galaxy, his cynicism and experiences rendering him incapable of taking on a real role in leading and rebuilding the galaxy he saved.



Miranda has a slightly happier end. She eventually moves on from Cerberus (if she hasn't already) and black ops work and goes to work in the civilian sector, either for an NGO or a private company where she can do some good, maybe a company involved in something like biomedical research.



At best, Miranda and Shepard retain feelings for each other that flare up when they cross paths. They can never quite get it to work longterm, but they still care for each other deeply.

[t3HPrO]

@Ieldra2

I think I'm gonna disagree with you on the part where Miranda has lots of sex to remedy the disconnect. Given Miranda's disdain for workplace sex, and the fact that her job doesn't give her much time for sex, and her extremely high standards, I think she would resort to masturbation to try and remedy the disconnect. Miranda having tons of sex just isn't plausible, especially since she wouldn't want to be viewed as a s*ut.

[t3HPrO]

@fongiel24

*aims HK416 at his face*

Just kidding. But I don't think any of your abovementioned tragic scenarios will happen, because Shepard and Miranda really love each other and both will get their relationship to work or die trying due to their strong will. Shepard won't become some jaded war vet reliving past glories as he/she is above that. But I do agree with you about what Miranda's future job will be.

[t3HPrO]

And when I say that Miranda will masturbate a lot to try and overcome the disconnect, I mean that she will masturbate a WHOLE EFFING LOT. As in thrice a day to try and overcome the disconnect.

[snfonseka]

This is the time for some interesting pics....

[Ieldra]

I think we need a Miranda picture:



You know, sometimes I think I've entered an alien dimension - what do I read as envisioned ending in the last handful of posts here? Tragic endings, Shepard dies, and conventional settling down. There seem to be few people who want Miranda and Shepard to have a (reasonably) happy and interesting life.
I prefer endings where the end of a story is like the beginning of a new (interesting) one and our OTP faces it together.

@snfonseka:
Seems we think alike, LOL. And how did you get femShep into Miranda's outfit?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:58 .

[leyannimatrix]

Jebel Krong wrote...

based on my other one:

Would've really appreciated if you'd asked for permission to manip/re-post my pics prior to doing so, as opposed to notifying me over a week after the fact.  Not too thrilled about the sigs and/or site info being removed, either.

But, this being the internet n' all... <_<

Modifié par leyannimatrix, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:14 .

[oenis]

^Ironic, considering what happened to other people's art yesterday.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know, sometimes I think I've entered an alien dimension - what do I read as envisioned ending in the last handful of posts here? Tragic endings, Shepard dies, and conventional settling down. There seem to be few people who want Miranda and Shepard to have a (reasonably) happy and interesting life.
I prefer endings where the end of a story is like the beginning of a new (interesting) one and our OTP faces it together.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in this thread who doesn't want to see anything resembling a storybook ending for Shepard/Miranda. I wonder what that says about me... 

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in this thread who doesn't want to see anything resembling a storybook ending for Shepard/Miranda. I wonder what that says about me... 

Are you now...

jtav wrote...
There's always the possibility Shepard will die in ME3. I'm hoping for at least the option.

BTW; this is from this page, a few posts up

[Ieldra]

oenis wrote...
^Ironic, considering what happened to other people's art yesterday.

Did I miss anything? What did happen?

[Aedan1992]

t3HPrO wrote...

@Ieldra2
I think I'm gonna disagree with you on the part where Miranda has lots of sex to remedy the disconnect. Given Miranda's disdain for workplace sex, and the fact that her job doesn't give her much time for sex, and her extremely high standards, I think she would resort to masturbation to try and remedy the disconnect. Miranda having tons of sex just isn't plausible, especially since she wouldn't want to be viewed as a s*ut.

QFT