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[Ieldra]

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

Also note that Miranda likely has had no fixed workplace for most of her life after she ran away from her father and that she's traveled extensively, so it's perfectly possible she'd have been a woman with "a lover in every port" before Lazarus, especially since she's not been willing to emotionally commit to anyone before Shepard. I don't know why people don't like that image - I find it interesting and use it as a background in my fanfic, and consider it neither implausible nor ooc.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2010 - 08:21 .

[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

Also note that Miranda likely has had no fixed workplace for most of her life after she ran away from her father and that she's traveled extensively, so it's perfectly possible she'd have been a woman with "a lover in every port" before Lazarus, especially since she's not been willing to emotionally commit to anyone before Shepard. I don't know why people don't like that image - I find it interesting and use it as a background in my fanfic, and consider it neither implausible nor ooc.

I totaly agree with you regarding your comment. It is a double standard. That is what we call "lock and key" concept.

Modifié par snfonseka, 07 octobre 2010 - 08:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

leyannimatrix wrote...

Would've really appreciated if you'd asked for permission to manip/re-post my pics prior to doing so, as opposed to notifying me over a week after the fact.  Not too thrilled about the sigs and/or site info being removed, either.

But, this being the internet n' all... <_<

sent you a pm. not gonna fight about it, but fact is i sent you a message & gave you proper credit at the time (and linked your deviantart page). If that's not good enough then don't worry: i won't be looking at your work again.

[Jebel Krong]

snfonseka wrote...

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

meh: the attitude is wired into a lot of species, not just humans.

[Arijharn]

I don't think it's likely that she has lots of sex, but she isn't going to 'shy away' from it either. I think she's... normal, in that regard. I would probably think that a woman or man who has lots (and lots) of it to be slightly odd in all honesty.



I think the issue is perhaps it's some sort of male dominance thing, we don't like the concept of being 'challenged,' even if it proceeds us.

[Aedan1992]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

Also note that Miranda likely has had no fixed workplace for most of her life after she ran away from her father and that she's traveled extensively, so it's perfectly possible she'd have been a woman with "a lover in every port" before Lazarus, especially since she's not been willing to emotionally commit to anyone before Shepard. I don't know why people don't like that image - I find it interesting and use it as a background in my fanfic, and consider it neither implausible nor ooc.

I'm not saying that she never had sex in her life in fact it would be too unrealtistic and i don't have any problem with it, but just because she enjoys sex doesn't  mean she has been sleeping with hundered's of men. She is not a nyphomaniac. She is someone who can keep it in control even if she is longing for sex.  

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
I don't think it's likely that she has lots of sex, but she isn't going to 'shy away' from it either. I think she's... normal, in that regard. I would probably think that a woman or man who has lots (and lots) of it to be slightly odd in all honesty.

Perhaps my phrasing crossed the language barrier in a slightly off way. I didn't intend it to mean she's indiscriminate, obsessive or out of control. I did intend it to mean sex is, among other things, a way to forget for her. Not in an addictive kind of way, but in a "why the hell not if I like it" attitude.  

I think the issue is perhaps it's some sort of male dominance thing, we don't like the concept of being 'challenged,' even if it proceeds us.

Probably. It's still occasionally puzzling to me why our (equally wired-in) sense of fairness can't break the double standard more often.

[t3HPrO]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

Also note that Miranda likely has had no fixed workplace for most of her life after she ran away from her father and that she's traveled extensively, so it's perfectly possible she'd have been a woman with "a lover in every port" before Lazarus, especially since she's not been willing to emotionally commit to anyone before Shepard. I don't know why people don't like that image - I find it interesting and use it as a background in my fanfic, and consider it neither implausible nor ooc.

I doubt it. While I appreciate the fact that Miri knows her way around the bedroom, I still doubt that she would so easily have sex with anyone. Because from what I learned in my psych module, it's hardwired into female brains that giving up their body is the ultimate expression of love to a party from birth, and that having too many partners automatically precludes them as a skank. Don't ask me why, I'm just stating a fact. Besides, Miranda settles for nothing but the best, so I would imagine that her high standards would boot most potential partners out of the picture, so Miranda being a woman with 'a lover in every port' is highly unlikely. She would most likely masturbate herself to give herself a sense of sexual gratification and to try and remove the disconnect, as you said.

[t3HPrO]

snfonseka wrote...

HELLZ YEAH.  And here's my own tribute video. Rate and comment my good Mirimancers.

[Jebel Krong]

t3HPrO, i think it can be a more emotioanlly-attached experience for women, but i don't think it's hardwired in - it's more like societal conditioning. the biological mechanisms are generally related to finding the best partner for successful reproduction, not the most.

[t3HPrO]

Anyways, I suspect that Miranda is experienced and has had about a half dozen sexual encounters, and no more. Like I've said before, female psych, her lack of time, her dedication to her job and her extremely high standards would mean that she won't get much action, just enough to be skilled.

[t3HPrO]

Jebel Krong wrote...

t3HPrO, i think it can be a more emotioanlly-attached experience for women, but i don't think it's hardwired in - it's more like societal conditioning. the biological mechanisms are generally related to finding the best partner for successful reproduction, not the most.

Ah I missed it there. Societal conditioning will hardwire it in if it wasn't hardwired from day one. Besides, we all know how strict Miranda's father was about having males close to her right?

[t3HPrO]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It's outright amazing how much the idea of a woman having lots of sex seems to bother some people. Bet you'd all react differently if it had been a man I was talking about. ******* double standard! Reminds me of the debate we had in the second thread where some people were unable to accept that you won't become a woman like Miranda without actually....having sex.

Also note that Miranda likely has had no fixed workplace for most of her life after she ran away from her father and that she's traveled extensively, so it's perfectly possible she'd have been a woman with "a lover in every port" before Lazarus, especially since she's not been willing to emotionally commit to anyone before Shepard. I don't know why people don't like that image - I find it interesting and use it as a background in my fanfic, and consider it neither implausible nor ooc.

Oh yeah, sorry for my forgetfulness to throw in more points. Anyways, the fact that you have Miranda hopping from one f**kbuddy to the next makes Miranda look like a nymphomaniac, which she isn't. That's where we're chafing at. Sure, she has had some sex before, and it's to be expected considering she is SMOKIN' HAWT, but the way you put her down as going about it just reeks of nymphomania.

@Aedan1992
I think she'll choose to release her sexual desire through masturbation instead of bottling it in. Miri's a go-getter, so if she can't get choice one, she'll take the next available option.

[Jebel Krong]

i would assume so: the rarefied strata of 'upper society' generally has a certain distance, at least in public. together with her 'special' nature, i would have thought human contact would have been limited until she escaped. hell maybe she spent some time making up for last time thereafter?

[t3HPrO]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i would assume so: the rarefied strata of 'upper society' generally has a certain distance, at least in public. together with her 'special' nature, i would have thought human contact would have been limited until she escaped. hell maybe she spent some time making up for last time thereafter?

Possible, but due to the fact she's socially awkward and her high standards once more, I doubt she got much action. And besides, she was too busy running away and joining Cerberus. From what I understand, from the very minute she joined, they threw her into the fray.

[Jebel Krong]

she's not that socially awkward (and certainly her upbringing would have included how to behave in society), she just has relationship/trust issues.

[Ieldra]

Another observation: Why is it that any mention of sex, even as an afterthought, spawns debates like this? I didn't mean much when I posted how I envisioned the background of Miranda in my fanfics. I definitely didn't want to start another pointless debate about how many sex partners Miranda might have had.

Perhaps I should make no more mention of sex in this thread. It just shows that David Hume was right: reason is the slave of the passions. And one person's healthy sex life is another's depravity. It seems I'm one of those inclined to a general "more is better" attitude. Relationships aside, in a society with prevalent birth control where STDs have almost completely vanished there is no reason not to have sex just for fun any chance you get. From that viewpoint, a Miranda with "a lover in every port" shouldn't bother people. It's all in her past, anyway.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2010 - 10:10 .

[t3HPrO]

Jebel Krong wrote...

she's not that socially awkward (and certainly her upbringing would have included how to behave in society), she just has relationship/trust issues.

Yeah, I never meant it to be that awkward. But she still is kinda socially awkward and doesn't really know how to deal with people.

[Aedan_Cousland]

t3HPrO wrote...

Anyways, I suspect that Miranda is experienced and has had about a half dozen sexual encounters, and no more. Like I've said before, female psych, her lack of time, her dedication to her job and her extremely high standards would mean that she won't get much action, just enough to be skilled.

Half a dozen partners?

Miranda, like Shepard, is in her thirties. I might agree if she was in early twenties, but the number is far too low for someone of her age who is quite obviously comfortable with her sexuality. Think of it this way: Miranda is 35 years old in ME2. Assuming she became sexually active at 18 (if not earlier), that's about 1 partner every 2.8 years. That might make sense for someone who who goes from one lenghty committed relationship to another, but given Miranda's family history and background, that is unlikely to be the case with her.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 07 octobre 2010 - 10:22 .

[t3HPrO]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Another observation: Why is it that any mention of sex, even as an afterthought, spawns debates like this? I didn't mean much when I posted how I envisioned the background of Miranda in my fanfics. I definitely didn't want to start another pointless debate about how many sex partners Miranda might have had.

Perhaps I should make no more mention of sex in this thread. It just shows that David Hume was right: reason is the slave of the passions. And one person's healthy sex life is another's depravity. It seems I'm one of those inclined to a general "more is better" attitude. Relationships aside, in a society with prevalent birth control where STDs have almost completely vanished there is no reason not to have sex just for fun any chance you get.

I disagree. That would display the fact that people have no self control, which is a bad thing. So if a man/woman sees someone of the opposite sex that they like, they jump into bed for a night. Another one catches his/her eyes and poof, one nighter. And the cycle repeats itself on and on...we are just as good as dogs in heat. It's the lack of self control that I'm hitting back atm, not the act.

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

she's not that socially awkward (and certainly her upbringing would have included how to behave in society), she just has relationship/trust issues.

Yeah, I never meant it to be that awkward. But she still is kinda socially awkward and doesn't really know how to deal with people.

She does. She say herself she's a good judge of character. While she clearly shows she's not perfect, I think she has self-knowledge enough to not say that if her social competence was low. She is listed as having many contacts throughout the galaxy, and you don't get there without knowing how to deal with people. It only gets awkward for her if she becomes too emotionally involveld. 

[Jebel Krong]

i believe it's the biggest transatlantic divide, or is it: "sex - the last american taboo." given recent real-world history, possibly so and hence the reaction. Europeans have long had a much more relaxed approach to it.

[t3HPrO]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Half a dozen sexual encounters?

Miranda, like Shepard, is in her thirties. I might agree if she was in early twenties, but the number is too low for someone of her age who is quite obviously comfortable with her sexuality. 

Okay, maybe a dozen. We have to keep in mind that she is a helluva lot more fickle than other women when it comes to partners, and that she doesn't exactly have much time for herself. So what I can see her doing is having a quick masturbation session before she sleeps every night (or 2 nights or w/e) to relieve her urges.

[t3HPrO]

And honestly, I seriously doubt TIM is the type to give 31 day annual leave, 401k in salary and dental and a relaxed working environment. Which means Miranda is usually on the job and is most likely stressed out.