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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Just as a thought experiment, how would you feel about a story where Miranda's infertility has been successfully treated at some point in the backstory? Would she even seek treatment if she wasn't planning to have kids in the near future?

Of course I would like that! As for seeking treatment, it could be she'd keep it untreated as a practical contraception measure, if there weren't any side effects. Or she could have it treated anyway before it has any chance to become irreversible. Could go either way.

[mosor]

Arijharn wrote...

Not that I know of, it is a famous saying though, or I thought it was at least.

"Sarcasim is the lowest form of wit, but the higest form of intelligence"  A quote usually attributed to Oscar Wilde.

[Arijharn]

mosor wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Not that I know of, it is a famous saying though, or I thought it was at least.

"Sarcasim is the lowest form of wit, but the higest form of intelligence"  A quote usually attributed to Oscar Wilde.

You are totally stalking me.

[Mr Plow]

I wonder if the rest of the squad post-SM would still dislike Miranda. In my playthrough with Miranda leaving Cereberus - well that is probably key for Jack holding fire as it were. Of course Jacob likes her and Kasumi speaks pleasantly of her. The others...I imagine if not active dislike at least grudgng respect

[Arijharn]

I think there's mutual respect between Jack and Miranda by the end of the game. They probably saved each others lives more often than not at some point in the game (for example, if both Jack and Miranda are in the second fire team or whatever).



They wont become best buddies or anything though (and certainly wouldn't openly admit it to each other if they thought the other was 'ok.')

[Elyvern]

I always found it a bit weird that if you choose to destroy the base, Miranda will only be shown as resigning *if* you bring her along for the final fight. I wonder how many players (and not frequent these threads) that choose that paragon-ish act actually knows that?

Surviving a high-impact suicide mission has the effect of bonding people together, no matter how disparate they are, so I hope so. Assuming that we still get the team or part of it back in ME3, I'd like both points acknowledged for my Shepards that destroy the base.

[jtav]

Samara seems to like her as well. I think the only ones that dislike her are Jack and Garrus. I think Garrus will soften but not Jack.

[Aedan1992]

I never got the feeling that Garrus dislike Miranda. He does not show any hate towards her.

[jtav]

If Jack's dead, Garrus gets her line about no one wanting to follow her.



I wonder what Miranda's reaction to the other romances would be, assuming she had no interest in Shep and vice versa.

[Aedan1992]

jtav wrote...

If Jack's dead, Garrus gets her line about no one wanting to follow her. 

I think i can understand why Garrus would say that. I think its because he has alot of pride and because he is also a great squad leader. 

As for the romances. If miranda don't have any feelings for shepard then i think she don't care who he romanced. If she has feelings and he is romancing someone else then maybe she could become jealous, but would not act on it  since she doesn't need him if you don't romance her.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 10 octobre 2010 - 11:31 .

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

Just as a thought experiment, how would you feel about a story where Miranda's infertility has been successfully treated at some point in the backstory? Would she even seek treatment if she wasn't planning to have kids in the near future?

It's probably foolish of me, but I'm sincerely banking on that issue being addressed in ME3. If nothing else, so it doesn't appear like some afterthought and give credence that the writers thought about it before dropping such a bombshell. Same with her resignation if you choose to blow up the base--that is another that also begs to be addressed. There is absolutely no reason to have her resign right at the end of game otherwise. (players that like her will have overlooked the issue with her allegiances, and it would fail as an attempt to change the minds of detractors, I mean the game is close to over, why does it matter?)

The only difference here is I can see her change in loyalties having some plot impact in ME3, but we don't have any evidence that her infertility carries that same weight. Unless the writers introduce more to it in a DLC or in ME3. But I still hold that there are many ways to play the "sympathy card" without creating something that could impact at least the epilogues of a maleshep romance. Considering that Anderson's liaison with Cerberus and Admiral Hackett's refusal to allow for Shepard's arrest are red flags for more elaboration in ME3, I think her infertility may very well fall into the same region. No other squadmate has a dossier entry with such a strong repercussion.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 octobre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Melra]

Aedan1992 wrote...

I never got the feeling that Garrus dislike Miranda. He does not show any hate towards her.

He does, if Tali or someone dies during the fight with Collector Ship. Hopefully, he won't show it in ME3, since in this case it would be ''Hoes before Bros''. 

Dead Jack isn't able to hate either. 

[jtav]

I hope it's not addressed with a throwaway line in the epilogue--"hey look she really can have kids"--and I don't really trust Bioware to handle it well. My own inclination if I were working on ME3 would be to leave it incurable, but also  have it be something she's dealt with. Fanfic's different because I don't have to write military sci-fi. The pairing  I'm doing is inherently infertile, but it might be narratively useful to fix her infertility (well, that and I wrote the first chapter before LotSB came out and already know what issues I'm giving her)

[Aedan1992]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

Just as a thought experiment, how would you feel about a story where Miranda's infertility has been successfully treated at some point in the backstory? Would she even seek treatment if she wasn't planning to have kids in the near future?

It's probably foolish of me, but I'm sincerely banking on that issue being addressed in ME3. If nothing else, so it doesn't appear like some afterthought and give credence that the writers thought about it before dropping such a bombshell. Same with her resignation if you choose to blow up the base--that is another that also begs to be addressed. There is absolutely no reason to have her resign right at the end of game otherwise. (players that like her will have overlooked the issue with her allegiances, and it would fail as an attempt to change the minds of detractors, I mean the game is close to over, why does it matter?)

The only difference here is I can see her change in loyalties having some plot impact in ME3, but we don't have any evidence that her infertility carries that same weight. Unless the writers introduce more to it in a DLC or in ME3. But I still hold that there are many ways to play the "sympathy card" without creating something that could impact at least the epilogues of a maleshep romance. Considering that Anderson's liaison with Cerberus and Admiral Hackett's refusal to allow for Shepard's arrest are red flags for more elaboration in ME3, I think her infertility may very well fall into the same region. No other squadmate has a dossier entry with such a strong repercussion.

Didn't Garrus also had some kind of sickness? Because there was something about that in his dossier.

I agree Miranda's infertility problem is to importend to just throw away. Why would Bioware otherwise give her this problem?

[Arijharn]

Honestly I was surprised at Miranda's choice to resign from Cerberus to be surprising not just because it just seemed to be a reversal to her otherwise pragmatic character in my opinion, but because she didn't even seem to consider the ramifications of her decision.

I mean, Cerberus was an organization that she felt she belonged too, she found meaning to her life amongst it and it even kept her and her sister safe (usually) from her father. She had trusted TIM in the past seemingly without question and she has probably been asked to do many tasks that may be considered somewhat morally ambiguous, but the Collector Base issue in and of itself is exactly as Legion stated; it's just data. Either way; her actions wouldn't be capable of bringing them back from the dead (*cough*).

This is what I want to see explored in far greater detail (or at least, in a sense of importance) than any issue involving her infertility.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

I hope it's not addressed with a throwaway line in the epilogue--"hey look she really can have kids"--and I don't really trust Bioware to handle it well. My own inclination if I were working on ME3 would be to leave it incurable, but also  have it be something she's dealt with. Fanfic's different because I don't have to write military sci-fi. The pairing  I'm doing is inherently infertile, but it might be narratively useful to fix her infertility (well, that and I wrote the first chapter before LotSB came out and already know what issues I'm giving her)

Of course there is a tradeoff in that too much canon details will detract from fans' ability to create fanfic of the game, but right now I see it as only possible for Bioware to improve on the situation, and not make it worse. They've already given us a ridiculous dossier where the doctor advises adoption, for god's sake. In short, they can only make it better. And not addressing it will simply give us the peace of mind to retcon it or solve it in more logical ways in our personal fanon.

The more I think of it, the more I find it weird that Bioware would intentionally slap down Miranda's appeal as a LI. This infertility thing really flies against Bioware's insistence that they treat and value all the LI material equally. I suppose it does help that after my initial outrage at the news that perhaps I can now sit down and wonder why they would do that apart from "hating Miranda", because I find it really hard to accept that explanation rationally. Hence my belief that there has to be something more they have in mind.  

[Elyvern]

Aedan1992 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

Just as a thought experiment, how would you feel about a story where Miranda's infertility has been successfully treated at some point in the backstory? Would she even seek treatment if she wasn't planning to have kids in the near future?

It's probably foolish of me, but I'm sincerely banking on that issue being addressed in ME3. If nothing else, so it doesn't appear like some afterthought and give credence that the writers thought about it before dropping such a bombshell. Same with her resignation if you choose to blow up the base--that is another that also begs to be addressed. There is absolutely no reason to have her resign right at the end of game otherwise. (players that like her will have overlooked the issue with her allegiances, and it would fail as an attempt to change the minds of detractors, I mean the game is close to over, why does it matter?)

The only difference here is I can see her change in loyalties having some plot impact in ME3, but we don't have any evidence that her infertility carries that same weight. Unless the writers introduce more to it in a DLC or in ME3. But I still hold that there are many ways to play the "sympathy card" without creating something that could impact at least the epilogues of a maleshep romance. Considering that Anderson's liaison with Cerberus and Admiral Hackett's refusal to allow for Shepard's arrest are red flags for more elaboration in ME3, I think her infertility may very well fall into the same region. No other squadmate has a dossier entry with such a strong repercussion.

Didn't Garrus also had some kind of sickness? Because there was something about that in his dossier.

I agree Miranda's infertility problem is to importend to just throw away. Why would Bioware otherwise give her this problem?

No. Garrus's dossier has to do with him getting funds for his mother's illness. See? That's a shining example of a sympathy card played that doesn't affect Garrus personally or change his attraction as a LI.

[Elyvern]

Also, note that in Miranda's dossier there are already 2 things that have been proven to change her desirability as a LI. Her dating dossier and the infertility issue (check out the number of people that have dropped her as a LI because she's now infertile). Isn't that like a big overkill?

[jtav]

Garrus' mom has a terminal illness.



I'd much rather time be spent on her feelings now that she's either left or lost faith in Cerberus, especially considering her resignation has also placed Oriana in danger. Miranda was made infertile to create sympathy. I really don't think they plan to make it a plot arc. I hope they don't because I'm afraid they'd turn her into another unsatisfied career woman who just wants babies.

[Aedan1992]

I don't care how much worse BW will make it. I will never dump Miranda because of such stupid things. Btw like you said i don't think they can make it more worst than it already is.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:27 .

[Melra]

Elyvern wrote...

Also, note that in Miranda's dossier there are already 2 things that have been proven to change her desirability as a LI. Her dating dossier and the infertility issue (check out the number of people that have dropped her as a LI because she's now infertile). Isn't that like a big overkill?

Sometimes I fear they ''forgot'' to make deal with Yvonne for ME3. <_<

[jtav]

They can. Believe me they can.

[Aedan1992]

jtav wrote...

They can. Believe me they can.

As long as they don't kill miranda in ME 3, i can't think how they could make it worst.

[jtav]

Melrache wrote...

Sometimes I fear they ''forgot'' to make deal with Yvonne for ME3. <_<

Eh, they'd simply write her out if that was the case. I can think of a few ways.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Sometimes I fear they ''forgot'' to make deal with Yvonne for ME3. <_<

Eh, they'd simply write her out if that was the case. I can think of a few ways.

No, they won't. I work in the media industry and deal with talents and collaborative efforts. Something like this is too important to "forget". Even if they did (dear god) they will seek to remedy it and bring her back. I can safely say you don't have to worry about it.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:35 .