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[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
You do what your want, it's your thread. I only post the video in the thread for those who would enjoy watching it. If you want to add the video in the OP, it's your decision.

It's a very good video - as expected from you, one of the very best we have - and I did add it to the OP for it definitely deserves a place there. I also enjoy watching it very much. I only chose not to replace the old embedded "poster video" with it for the reasons mentioned, for the time being.

BTW, did you change the music from the previous version? My sound system here has a few problems so I can't hear that right now.

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...
If they DARE to make Miri's infertility incurable, or not get Yvonne to voice Miri in ME3, I will raise an army of disgruntled Mirimaniacs and we will advance on Bioware's HQ with pitchforks, torches, guns and M1 Abrams tanks. Bioware, you have been warned.

Consider me recruited. Add "if Miranda is reduced to a cameo in ME3" as a reason, or "if she becomes incompetent"

[fongiel24]

t3HPrO wrote...

@Everyone else
If they DARE to make Miri's infertility incurable, or not get Yvonne to voice Miri in ME3, I will raise an army of disgruntled Mirimaniacs and we will advance on Bioware's HQ with pitchforks, torches, guns and M1 Abrams tanks. Bioware, you have been warned.

I don't think this would faze Bioware all that much. Alberta is largely farm country and it's got the highest rate of gun ownership in Canada (higher than about two thirds of the states in the U.S.). We generally don't see that many Abrams tanks but pitchforks, torches, and guns really aren't that rare around here .

Joking aside though, Miranda's infertility isn't really a dealbreaker for me. It's not as if Miranda was going to pop out kids in ME3 and I doubt we'll see it in the epilogue either. I don't think Bioware will even bother addressing it, since it was only mentioned in a dossier (that not everybody would have bothered reading) in a DLC expansion (that not everybody would have bought).

As for Yvonne Strahovski voicing Miranda, I think it's a done deal. The only way Miranda isn't voiced by Yvonne Strahovski is if Miranda is cut from the game. I'm more worried about that happening than whether or not she'll be voiced by Yvonne.

[Errol Dnamyx]

fongiel24 wrote...
Joking aside though, Miranda's infertility isn't really a dealbreaker for me. It's not as if Miranda was going to pop out kids in ME3 and I doubt we'll see it in the epilogue either. I don't think Bioware will even bother addressing it, since it was only mentioned in a dossier (that not everybody would have bothered reading) in a DLC expansion (that not everybody would have bought).

That's exactly how I see it too. I'll ignore the content of the dossier(s), until I see some kind of confirmation from BW.
Imo it was supposed to be a joke that went wrong.<_<

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW, did you change the music from the previous version? My sound system here has a few problems so I can't hear that right now.

What I changed :

- added an intro
- added LotBS Liara/Shepard dialogue
- added the resignation scene
- replaced the 2nd music by the version without choir. (I had to replace it because of the additional dialogues)
- added Kasumi's comment about Miranda smiling
- replaced some scenes by higher quality ones.

[jtav]

Her infertility isn't a dealbreaker. I like it. The only thing they could do to make me unhappy is make her less competent/more emotional. Anger over a cameo depends entirely on the quality of said cameo and the quality of her replacement. Just a gut feeling, but I think any problematic content will be tied to her romance and therefore more easy to ignore. It was that way in ME2 for me.

[t3HPrO]

Here's my own video tribute. Bear in mind this is my first ever video tribute, so...enjoy. And leave your flamethrowers at the door.

[t3HPrO]

jtav wrote...

Her infertility isn't a dealbreaker. I like it. The only thing they could do to make me unhappy is make her less competent/more emotional. Anger over a cameo depends entirely on the quality of said cameo and the quality of her replacement. Just a gut feeling, but I think any problematic content will be tied to her romance and therefore more easy to ignore. It was that way in ME2 for me.

Maybe you like it, but most of us are still pissed. First, they make Miranda's character one that is a little complicated to love, and thus we have all those idiotic haters out there. Second, we had the iPartners (which led to those same idiots calling her you know what.) which was so OOC and left so many loopholes that if the writer who wrote that POS were to write the law of a country, that country would be BEYOND SCREWED. And then they say 'oops, sorry, Miranda is also infertile.' on top of everything. I suspect that Miranda is currently beating the living crap out of the writer while screaming abuse in his/her face, which serves him/her right. Muahahaha. *Thunderstorm*

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW, did you change the music from the previous version? My sound system here has a few problems so I can't hear that right now.

What I changed :
- added an intro
- added LotBS Liara/Shepard dialogue
- added the resignation scene
- replaced the 2nd music by the version without choir. (I had to replace it because of the additional dialogues)
- added Kasumi's comment about Miranda smiling
- replaced some scenes by higher quality ones.

Yannkee, your videos are just too good 
I've been able to watch the new version with sound at last - adding Liara's dialogue adds so much to her romance that the old one almost feels imcomplete. So we now have two Miranda "thread poster videos". Too bad about the music, though.

[Ieldra]

Changed the OP:

(1) Embedded Yannkee's new tribute video below the old one. Pick your favorite.
(2) Added t3HPrO's modded femShep romance video to the list of videos
(3) Deleted the two links to shinobi061's videos because they've been deleted on youtube.
(4) Deleted link to Maviarab's screenshot collection because apparently you need a photobucket account to view it. I don't even know if it still exists.
(5) Deleted link to Maviarab's Great Wall of Miranda (screenshot collection in the group discussion of the same name) because the image links are all dead.

While I'm at it, is there anything you miss in the OP? Anything that should be part of it, anything that shouldn't?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 octobre 2010 - 12:30 .

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...

jtav wrote...

Her infertility isn't a dealbreaker. I like it. The only thing they could do to make me unhappy is make her less competent/more emotional. Anger over a cameo depends entirely on the quality of said cameo and the quality of her replacement. Just a gut feeling, but I think any problematic content will be tied to her romance and therefore more easy to ignore. It was that way in ME2 for me.

Maybe you like it, but most of us are still pissed. First, they make Miranda's character one that is a little complicated to love, and thus we have all those idiotic haters out there. Second, we had the iPartners (which led to those same idiots calling her you know what.) which was so OOC and left so many loopholes that if the writer who wrote that POS were to write the law of a country, that country would be BEYOND SCREWED. And then they say 'oops, sorry, Miranda is also infertile.' on top of everything. I suspect that Miranda is currently beating the living crap out of the writer while screaming abuse in his/her face, which serves him/her right. Muahahaha. *Thunderstorm*

To play devil's advocate here: it is quite possible that the writers left the loopholes and ambiguities in on purpose, in order to leave Miranda open to a wider set of interpretations. Mostly, I doubt that, though. Considering the majority of more casual players who are not likely to put much analysis into the consistency of their game content, and likely don't know much, if anything, about reproductive medicine and the capabilties of genetic engineering as plausibly projected into a fictional 22nd century, I think it very likely that they intended the iPartners excerpt to be interpreted as "Miranda trying to get pregnant" and the infertility to be perceived as incurable. If they left loopholes on purpose, it's for people in the active community - which, being a part of that, I have no objection against. It may just be useful to be active in the fan community

[Godeskian]

I had one though regarding her infertility, though I may be giving the writers too much credit. It's an integral part of miranda's character that she hates the fact that she is genetically engineered, even while having no choice but to accept it.

It is in turn quite possible that she really wanted to someday have a natural child, but now will have no choice but to have a designer baby if she wants one that is genetically hers.

As far as roleplaying potential goes, that internal struggle between what she wants and becoming her father could be epic.

But like I said, I may be giving the writers too much credit.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yannkee, your videos are just too good 
I've been able to watch the new version with sound at last - adding Liara's dialogue adds so much to her romance that the old one almost feels imcomplete. So we now have two Miranda "thread poster videos". Too bad about the music, though.

Thank you.

I tried to keep the "choir version" but the result was not satisfying. We couldn't hear correctly the new dialogues (too much noise with the choirs).The only solution would have been to lower the volume of the music during the dialogues, but it's not very satisfying either.

[jtav]

Godeskian wrote...

It is in turn quite possible that she really wanted to someday have a natural child, but now will have no choice but to have a designer baby if she wants one that is genetically hers.
As far as roleplaying potential goes, that internal struggle between what she wants and becoming her father could be epic.

That's what I'm thinking. It's a creative goldmine for the enterprising and skilled writer. I'll admit to doing everything I can to divorce the iPartners from the infertility because attempting to become pregnant while on a suicide mission is unbelievably moronic. Other than that, I have no real problem with the dossier. The idea of a Miranda who feels alienated from the rest of humanity, tries to "prove" she's human by having a child, and finds those genes of hers make it impossible is very appealing to me. The infertility forces her to either give up on the idea of having a child or become in some way like her father. She can't not wrestle with her own creation. It may be the vehicle by which she finally comes to terms with it.

And being hard to love isn't a bad thing in a character. If she was warm and conventionally likable, I would be less interested in her. The accusations that she's a sl*t for having casual sex are what infuriate me, not that she had casual sex. I've taken considerable heat over the last few months for advocating exactly that. theory.

[Aedan1992]

People seem to have to forget that it could have happend before ME 2 because yes it would be stupid to get pregnant while on a suicide mission.

[jtav]

It would almost have to take place during ME2. She's been on Lazarus Station for the last two years. I find it very difficult to believe that she went to Illium, the Citadel, and Omega during that time. Who am I kidding? The timeline is complete and utter nonsense as it is.

[Elyvern]

@Yannkee - Thank you for the revised video!

fongiel24 wrote...

Joking aside though, Miranda's infertility isn't really a dealbreaker for me. It's not as if Miranda was going to pop out kids in ME3 and I doubt we'll see it in the epilogue either. I don't think Bioware will even bother addressing it, since it was only mentioned in a dossier (that not everybody would have bothered reading) in a DLC expansion (that not everybody would have bought).

As for Yvonne Strahovski voicing Miranda, I think it's a done deal. The only way Miranda isn't voiced by Yvonne Strahovski is if Miranda is cut from the game. I'm more worried about that happening than whether or not she'll be voiced by Yvonne.

Unfortunately, I can't help but perceive it as canon. no matter how distasteful it is to me. And of course while it may not be an issue in ME3, it's still a proverbial sword over the head post-reapers. So stop throwing water on my pet theory! 

Being active in a fan forum and official at that is we keep generating interest in our favourite media, the side effect is the consequence of reading theories for and against fondly-held hopes, and I keep getting see-sawed to the extremes. The more I read threads that argue about ME2's lack of a plot that contribute to the whole reaper fight, the more I think it would be grossly deficient of Bioware not to make ME2 characters an integral and important part of ME3's plot. Since a good 70% of ME2's content is your squadmates, reducing them to cameos and emails would defeat the point of ME2 from the POV of a trilogy. Bioware really should've given some characters plot armour to survive the suicide mission, because now the condition for their appearance in ME3 boils down to how much work the game team is willing to put into arguably optional content (since all of them can die) to maintain the intergrity of the whole story arc.  

Modifié par Elyvern, 11 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .

[Aedan1992]

jtav wrote...

It would almost have to take place during ME2. She's been on Lazarus Station for the last two years. I find it very difficult to believe that she went to Illium, the Citadel, and Omega during that time. Who am I kidding? The timeline is complete and utter nonsense as it is.

It could have been before Lazerus. And btw the first correspondes was on Illium. We can only acess Illium after horizon and as soon as you have done her loyalty mission you can start the romance. 

And you have said it yourself. She says that the mission is to importend to let personal feelings interfere. Why would she say that to shepard, but in the mean time she had sex with a guy to fill her on need. That would be really selfish of her and miranda is definetly not selfish. 

Modifié par Aedan1992, 11 octobre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...
To play devil's advocate here: it is quite possible that the writers left the loopholes and ambiguities in on purpose, in order to leave Miranda open to a wider set of interpretations. Mostly, I doubt that, though. Considering the majority of more casual players who are not likely to put much analysis into the consistency of their game content, and likely don't know much, if anything, about reproductive medicine and the capabilties of genetic engineering as plausibly projected into a fictional 22nd century, I think it very likely that they intended the iPartners excerpt to be interpreted as "Miranda trying to get pregnant" and the infertility to be perceived as incurable. If they left loopholes on purpose, it's for people in the active community - which, being a part of that, I have no objection against. It may just be useful to be active in the fan community

I'm still of the opinion, that the iPartners stuff and the medical should be analyzed in connection with the Shadow Broker's note that Miranda could be recruited for something after the Cerberus' destruction.

[jtav]

The problem with it being before Lazarus is the "SR2" in her screename, though I'm willing to massage that because I'd prefer to think it took place before ME2. As for the other point, sex is not emotional engagement. She's afraid if getting involved with Shepard precisely because her emotions are engaged. She doesn't car about the other men. Her contempt for them is almost palpable.

[Aedan1992]

jtav wrote...

The problem with it being before Lazarus is the "SR2" in her screename, though I'm willing to massage that because I'd prefer to think it took place before ME2. As for the other point, sex is not emotional engagement. She's afraid if getting involved with Shepard precisely because her emotions are engaged. She doesn't car about the other men. Her contempt for them is almost palpable.

The SR2 was already build before shepard woke up. The project was build by anothere, but it was connected to lazerus. Since our Miranda is TIM favorite he would already have told her about before the begun building that she would be XO. There is also proof that she knew about it before since when you go aboard the normandy for the first time she tells shepard that she and jacob will return to their posts and she already knew the crew.

As for the tagg in her name. Since it was a secret project almost nobody knew about it so it was save to use it. I don't see miranda as someone who would put the name of the ship in her online name. How many ships do you think that are called SR2?

Btw do you think she played the femme fatal towards that guy. I would really laugh if she doomd him afterward since that is what femme fatals do right?

Modifié par Aedan1992, 11 octobre 2010 - 02:46 .

[enayasoul]

Aedan1992 wrote...

People seem to have to forget that it could have happend before ME 2 because yes it would be stupid to get pregnant while on a suicide mission.

Yeah, that would be pretty stupid on her part unless she really knew there was no chance of that.   Or she really didn't think she'd survive so what would it even matter.  But it certainly opens up a lot of story potential and how she deals with it. My Shepard wouldn't leave her just because of that problem. I think he would either accept it,  help each other with other options, or try to find a cure for her by whatever means necessary.

But it opens up a lot of speculation to when this all happened or came about.  Could be any time unless really specified.

I wonder if that shot she received on the suicide mission had any ill effect. It did seem to hurt... and deadly if not loyal.

I'd like to speculate that she was looking for a guy for a similar or compatible match for Shepard's body? Guess it wouldn't be plausible for the FemShep or could it?   Like transplants? Just a thought. Being a scientist maybe she needed to improvise in certain spots. *shrug*

Modifié par enayasoul, 11 octobre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Aedan1992]

enayasoul wrote...

I wonder if that shot she received on the suicide mission had any ill effect. It did seem to hurt... and deadly if not loyal.

I don't thinks so because if she is not team leader she doesn't get shot.

[enayasoul]

[quote]Aedan1992 wrote...

[quote]jtav wrote...

Btw do you think she played the femme fatal towards that guy. I would really laugh if she doomd him afterward since that is what femme fatals do right?
[/quote]

haha yes, I can see that.  She lures her prey to her domain, has some fun and drags off his body for disection for the greater good of humanity.

[Elyvern]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
To play devil's advocate here: it is quite possible that the writers left the loopholes and ambiguities in on purpose, in order to leave Miranda open to a wider set of interpretations. Mostly, I doubt that, though. Considering the majority of more casual players who are not likely to put much analysis into the consistency of their game content, and likely don't know much, if anything, about reproductive medicine and the capabilties of genetic engineering as plausibly projected into a fictional 22nd century, I think it very likely that they intended the iPartners excerpt to be interpreted as "Miranda trying to get pregnant" and the infertility to be perceived as incurable. If they left loopholes on purpose, it's for people in the active community - which, being a part of that, I have no objection against. It may just be useful to be active in the fan community

I'm still of the opinion, that the iPartners stuff and the medical should be analyzed in connection with the Shadow Broker's note that Miranda could be recruited for something after the Cerberus' destruction.

That's one interpretation. The only wrench is Liara is the one who sifted through the files and then re-package it for you. So we can't empirically say that the notes are in their original order as the yargh SB intended.