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[Barhador]

jtav wrote...

I found this on Fanfiction.Net. Miranda and Liara genfic post-LotSB. I reccommend it very highly.

Thanks! Man that site is a goldmine! Got any other recommendations?

[Axestone]

Yannkee

I have no problem to imagine a marriage.

Miranda and Shepard really care about each other, but I think they need time before making such a decision, especially Miranda.

It agree, but for certain she doesn't realize, how much she wants it. Or doesn't want to realize.
In the end of its mission on loyalty it is perfectly visible that she dreams of a family. It about something speaks.

Modifié par Axestone, 12 octobre 2010 - 12:34 .

[AresXX7]

jtav wrote...

I found this on Fanfiction.Net. Miranda and Liara genfic post-LotSB. I reccommend it very highly.

Great find! Thanks for sharing the link!

[Elyvern]

The thread went seriously off-topic real fast, but I think it would be of interest to Miranda fans:

http://social.biowar...index/5007544/1

[Caihn]

I find nothing interesting in this thread. We already had a debate about the interrupts recently.

And this idea of Miranda betraying Shepard before destroying the base is completely ridiculous ... just another people who don't understand Miranda, and don't want to accept what's been written about the character.

Modifié par Yannkee, 12 octobre 2010 - 03:52 .

[t3HPrO]

Yannkee wrote...
And this idea of Miranda betraying Shepard before destroying the base is completely ridiculous ... just another people who don't understand Miranda, and don't want to accept what's been written about the character.

A.K.A retards. Or incredibly dumb and shallow people who have no idea that there is more than one side to a person. Or both.

[enayasoul]

I just finished Jacks loyalty mission some time ago. I decided to reload that save file and see some other options... like siding with Jack just to see how Miranda would react. Boy was she shocked, eyes opened really wide. OMG she was pissed at my maleshep... He ask if they were good. "Not even remotely" So, then I told her to go pout about it and tell the illusive man. Another priceless response from Miranda..."I don't pout or have to the time to report to the illusive man every time you screw up." wow! To me this just adds to her character on how mad she can get. Nice insight to her character. Too bad it ends the relationship though. Reload.

Interesting that Miranda thinks of Jack as a child.

I always went the paragon/renegade route of telling them both the chill out.

I always wondered if Jack was gonna keep her promise about dealing with Miranda after the suicide mission. I hope not or my maleshep might have to put her down.

Modifié par enayasoul, 12 octobre 2010 - 04:44 .

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
And this idea of Miranda betraying Shepard before destroying the base is completely ridiculous ... just another people who don't understand Miranda, and don't want to accept what's been written about the character.

A.K.A retards. Or incredibly dumb and shallow people who have no idea that there is more than one side to a person. Or both.

Now *you're* trolling. There are a number of very interesting posts in that thread, which you shouldn't dismiss just because you don't like them.

Just to keep things in perspective.

[Elyvern]

enayasoul wrote...

I just finished Jacks loyalty mission some time ago. I decided to reload that save file and see some other options... like siding with Jack just to see how Miranda would react. Boy was she shocked, eyes opened really wide. OMG she was pissed at my maleshep... He ask if they were good. "Not even remotely" So, then I told her to go pout about it and tell the illusive man. Another priceless response from Miranda..."I don't pout or have to the time to report to the illusive man every time you screw up." wow! To me this just adds to her character on how mad she can get. Nice insight to her character. Too bad it ends the relationship though. Reload.

Interesting. I've never chosen that option before.  But I'll do that on my next playthrough to see what Miranda says and how she says it and then promptly reload like you.

Modifié par Elyvern, 12 octobre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Caihn]

t3HPrO wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
And this idea of Miranda betraying Shepard before destroying the base is completely ridiculous ... just another people who don't understand Miranda, and don't want to accept what's been written about the character.

A.K.A retards. Or incredibly dumb and shallow people who have no idea that there is more than one side to a person. Or both.

Yes, and these different side of her character is what make her even more interesting.

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
And this idea of Miranda betraying Shepard before destroying the base is completely ridiculous ... just another people who don't understand Miranda, and don't want to accept what's been written about the character.

A.K.A retards. Or incredibly dumb and shallow people who have no idea that there is more than one side to a person. Or both.

Yes, and these different side of her character is what make her even more interesting.

Note that they said there is a possibility. Not a fact. They weren't discounting the other facets of her character. Personally, I enjoyed the debate very much, although I'm way pass my bedtime and couldn't be more coherent in my arguments. But it was refreshing to get a glimpse of how non-fans view Miranda sans the trolling. I also found Dean's observations to be very astute, and the fic he linked gave Shepard some great lines about how Miranda could have handled her problem with her genetic heritage.

Modifié par Elyvern, 12 octobre 2010 - 05:20 .

[Caihn]

What he did is rewriting a character. This is not Miranda.

Modifié par Yannkee, 12 octobre 2010 - 06:13 .

[Godeskian]

t3HPrO wrote...
@godeskian
I agree with you that Miranda is a highly strung career woman seeking sexual release, but I disagree with the methods. She most likely prefers masturbation as her way of sexual release to actually having sex as being the job-focused woman she is, she knows that every hookup could lead to compromise. Also, she doesn't really like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about, so why would she force herself to do it? Which therefore leads us to the conclusion that she doesn't get that much action(no surprise, especially considering her career and her pickiness), and she would rather masturbate herself to release, which she enjoys.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this.

You seem to be making assumptions not based on anything said or done in game. When does Miranda ever say, hint, intimate, infer or imply that she doesn't like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about? For that matter when does she ever suggest that she doesn't like the perfectly natural enjoyment people get out of sex?

What's more, I find it difficult to credit that anyone would choose masturbation over sex if given the ability to pick freely, and someone who looks like Miranda can pick freely between those two options.

Personally, as long as LotSB is considered canon, then the dossier has to be explained somehow, and I prefer my explanation to yours because I believe it better fits the facts as presented.

[Aedan1992]

And here we go again But i don't think we can expect an explanation from BW about the dossiers. I bet BW is really laughing their ass off because of it.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 12 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .

[Godeskian]

Probably, but what else are we going to talk about for the next year? What hasn't been talked about regarding Miranda yet?

[Ieldra]

Godeskian wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...
@godeskian
I agree with you that Miranda is a highly strung career woman seeking sexual release, but I disagree with the methods. She most likely prefers masturbation as her way of sexual release to actually having sex as being the job-focused woman she is, she knows that every hookup could lead to compromise. Also, she doesn't really like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about, so why would she force herself to do it? Which therefore leads us to the conclusion that she doesn't get that much action(no surprise, especially considering her career and her pickiness), and she would rather masturbate herself to release, which she enjoys.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this.

You seem to be making assumptions not based on anything said or done in game. When does Miranda ever say, hint, intimate, infer or imply that she doesn't like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about? For that matter when does she ever suggest that she doesn't like the perfectly natural enjoyment people get out of sex?

What's more, I find it difficult to credit that anyone would choose masturbation over sex if given the ability to pick freely, and someone who looks like Miranda can pick freely between those two options.

Personally, as long as LotSB is considered canon, then the dossier has to be explained somehow, and I prefer my explanation to yours because I believe it better fits the facts as presented.

I agree with this 100%. I think there is the cultural undercurrent of seeing sex primarily as a problem at work here. I seriously hope people have gotten over that ridiculous attitude in the 22nd century.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
What he did is rewriting a character. This is not Miranda.

If you're referring to the fanfic - no, he didn't. Did you read to the end? The story envisions a different result of not having done her loyalty mission. It tells both paths:
(1) If you've done her loyalty mission and attempt to destroy the base, Miranda is loyal to Shepard and resigns from Cerberus as usual.
(2) If you've not done her loyalty mission she stays loyal to TIM and tries to shoot Shepard if he attempts to destroy the base.
The different outcome of the loyalty  mission also results in a different way of Miranda responding to Shepard's comments about her genetic tailoring. I would have found all that absolute IC for Miranda. Loyalty or not should really have had a greater impact on a character who is portrayed as a "Cerberus loyalist". Miranda does not change her loyalty lightly, and the way she does it *regardless* of in-game "loyalty" cheapens her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 octobre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Alessar]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Godeskian wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...
@godeskian
I agree with you that Miranda is a highly strung career woman seeking sexual release, but I disagree with the methods. She most likely prefers masturbation as her way of sexual release to actually having sex as being the job-focused woman she is, she knows that every hookup could lead to compromise. Also, she doesn't really like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about, so why would she force herself to do it? Which therefore leads us to the conclusion that she doesn't get that much action(no surprise, especially considering her career and her pickiness), and she would rather masturbate herself to release, which she enjoys.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this.

You seem to be making assumptions not based on anything said or done in game. When does Miranda ever say, hint, intimate, infer or imply that she doesn't like having sex with men she doesn't give a crap about? For that matter when does she ever suggest that she doesn't like the perfectly natural enjoyment people get out of sex?

What's more, I find it difficult to credit that anyone would choose masturbation over sex if given the ability to pick freely, and someone who looks like Miranda can pick freely between those two options.

Personally, as long as LotSB is considered canon, then the dossier has to be explained somehow, and I prefer my explanation to yours because I believe it better fits the facts as presented.

I agree with this 100%. I think there is the cultural undercurrent of seeing sex primarily as a problem at work here. I seriously hope people have gotten over that ridiculous attitude in the 22nd century.

Agree with this.

[t3HPrO]

@Ieldra2

I was referring to those morons who think that Miranda is a one dimensional character who'd sell you out anytime(approx. 99% of the haters fall under this category, if the Miri-hate posts are anything to go by.)



@godeskian

Miranda is most likely on the job almost all of the time, given how much TIM trusts her with big projects. And I honestly think that TIM doesn't like it when his operatives get laid while on a job. Even if Miranda was prowling for sex like a cougar, she still wouldn't get much action due to the constraints of her job. She strikes me as too professional to go 'ok I'm taking the day off, I'm gonna get screwed by some random man on the other side of the galaxy/town! Bye!' before jumping on a shuttle to go to get her dose of sex.



That aside, how many of you think that TIM blackmailed Miranda into sleeping with him by using the issue of Oriana's safety? I mean, we know that old bastage is a serial playboy, and Miranda is insanely hot, so...

[t3HPrO]

And I don't think LotSB can be considered canon. I mean, Grunt jacking off to Fornax and Legion capping heads in a CoD/MoH rip off? And they throw this at us and want us to acknowledge it's canon? For god's sakes...I can't do it. Sorry BW, try better writing next time.

[Alessar]

t3HPrO wrote...

@Ieldra2
I was referring to those morons who think that Miranda is a one dimensional character who'd sell you out anytime(approx. 99% of the haters fall under this category, if the Miri-hate posts are anything to go by.)

@godeskian
Miranda is most likely on the job almost all of the time, given how much TIM trusts her with big projects. And I honestly think that TIM doesn't like it when his operatives get laid while on a job. Even if Miranda was prowling for sex like a cougar, she still wouldn't get much action due to the constraints of her job. She strikes me as too professional to go 'ok I'm taking the day off, I'm gonna get screwed by some random man on the other side of the galaxy/town! Bye!' before jumping on a shuttle to go to get her dose of sex.

That aside, how many of you think that TIM blackmailed Miranda into sleeping with him by using the issue of Oriana's safety? I mean, we know that old bastage is a serial playboy, and Miranda is insanely hot, so...

Why would TIM blackmail Miranda? As evil as TIM might be in the opinion of some people, he first and foremost cares about human survival and superiority, why alienate one of your top operatives who you trust with the most important of projects?

Also I have no problem with Grunt's dossier from SB, why wouldn't a male going through puberty watch said video?  Not everything has to be some serious fact, the fact that an alien species is doing something a human typically does through puberty just makes them seem a little more human imo.

Modifié par Alessar, 12 octobre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
What he did is rewriting a character. This is not Miranda.

If you're referring to the fanfic - no, he didn't. Did you read to the end? The story envisions a different result of not having done her loyalty mission. It tells both paths:
(1) If you've done her loyalty mission and attempt to destroy the base, Miranda is loyal to Shepard and resigns from Cerberus as usual.
(2) If you've not done her loyalty mission she stays loyal to TIM and tries to shoot Shepard if he attempts to destroy the base.
The different outcome of the loyalty  mission also results in a different way of Miranda responding to Shepard's comments about her genetic tailoring. I would have found all that absolute IC for Miranda. Loyalty or not should really have had a greater impact on a character who is portrayed as a "Cerberus loyalist". Miranda does not change her loyalty lightly, and the way she does it *regardless* of in-game "loyalty" cheapens her.

The fact is she resigns from cerberus even if you don't do her loyalty mission. You can reject it if you want, but this proves her decision to support the destruction of the base and to resign from cerberus has nothing to do with Shepard. It's her decision.
You think it's ooc, I don't think it's ooc, we will never agree on that.
But the miranda this guy describe in his fanfic is NOT the true miranda (bioware's miranda). And this is rewritting a character.

[Godeskian]

t3HPrO wrote...

And I don't think LotSB can be considered canon. I mean, Grunt jacking off to Fornax and Legion capping heads in a CoD/MoH rip off? And they throw this at us and want us to acknowledge it's canon? For god's sakes...I can't do it. Sorry BW, try better writing next time.

That is always your choice, but I'd be stunned if when me3 rolls around, LotS isn't considered to have happened, regardless of whether you played it. The replacement of the shadow broker by a close ally of shepard is to momentous a change in the galactic status quo to simply ignore.

And I'm personally not willing to say that one part of the in game experience is Canon, but another isn't just because it forces me to reassess what I think I know about a character. For me LotSB is Canon, dossier and all

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
To play devil's advocate here: it is quite possible that the writers left the loopholes and ambiguities in on purpose, in order to leave Miranda open to a wider set of interpretations. Mostly, I doubt that, though. Considering the majority of more casual players who are not likely to put much analysis into the consistency of their game content, and likely don't know much, if anything, about reproductive medicine and the capabilties of genetic engineering as plausibly projected into a fictional 22nd century, I think it very likely that they intended the iPartners excerpt to be interpreted as "Miranda trying to get pregnant" and the infertility to be perceived as incurable. If they left loopholes on purpose, it's for people in the active community - which, being a part of that, I have no objection against. It may just be useful to be active in the fan community

I'm still of the opinion, that the iPartners stuff and the medical should be analyzed in connection with the Shadow Broker's note that Miranda could be recruited for something after the Cerberus' destruction.

That's one interpretation. The only wrench is Liara is the one who sifted through the files and then re-package it for you. So we can't empirically say that the notes are in their original order as the yargh SB intended.

That's not a given. We can read the files immediately after Liara has taken over. Who says the gameplay action of activating the console doesn't translate into "making a query about Miranda Lawson"? Or the yarg having packaged things to use against your team members.

it is, unfortunately - you don't re-land straight away and Liara explicitly tells you to look at the console if you want the info.

tbh i still don't think those dossiers will ever be mentioned again.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 12 octobre 2010 - 08:25 .

[t3HPrO]

@Alessar

I meant before he promoted her to her current position. But you are right there. TIM isn't all evil, and he's a damn smartass to top it all off.