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[Arijharn]

I'm honestly more inclined to agree with Zulu about the whole Jacob/Miranda 'fiasco.' If only because it's clear that Jacob is or was at some point during ME2 still carrying a torch for her. I'm not sure how I took Miranda's sad expression during the whole "I leaked that info to you Jacob" moment other than it contained sadness, so I think perhaps Zulu could be right.

Having said that, I think they probably just drifted apart due to work (it must be tough working in a clandestine organization that seeks to chart the course of human development) and maybe neither party wanted that to happen, but probably couldn't do anything about it. When Lazarus came about; perhaps neither party was willing to step outside their comfort zone and thus a missed opportunity was born.

[t3HPrO]

@Prudii Aden

I didn't. It just makes me wonder how people are raising their kids these days.

[t3HPrO]

From what Jacob said, I think it was a mutual agreement to split. Besides, their age gap is massive, and Miranda may have viewed him as someone she needed to take care of. And of course, poor Jacob would be sullen that he lost such an insanely hot and intelligent woman.



Miranda, on the other hand, didn't seem to unhappy that it was over. She probably sounded sad because of how Jacob took the news.

[jtav]

Jacob is 28, one year younger than Shep. Seven years isn't a massive age gap. I think Miranda is largely over him, though part of me wants them to reconcile. I suspect they will be found in the same place in ME3 and if Shepard pursued a romance with neither of them, then it it will be implied that they are romantically together in ME3.

[Zulu_DFA]

Boo, mirandologists, I'm dissapoint!



Here I thought that the "35" has been dismissed.

[t3HPrO]

Oh yeah, forgot about the fact Miranda's actually 23.



@jtav

Sorry, but the chances of that happening is low. Once it's over, it's over. Besides, neither of them seem to have any interest in rekindling the relationship.

[RiptideX1090]

t3HPrO wrote...

Oh yeah, forgot about the fact Miranda's actually 23.

@jtav
Sorry, but the chances of that happening is low. Once it's over, it's over. Besides, neither of them seem to have any interest in rekindling the relationship.

Wait, is it really?

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

Jacob is 28, one year younger than Shep. Seven years isn't a massive age gap. I think Miranda is largely over him, though part of me wants them to reconcile. I suspect they will be found in the same place in ME3 and if Shepard pursued a romance with neither of them, then it it will be implied that they are romantically together in ME3.

This is like the Liara/Feron thing - highly doubtful. Highly.  "She requires a better man than I" sounds like a pretty case-closed statement.

Besides, you're infringing upon my Kasumi/Jacob hopes here. Stop that! Stop the infringing!

[t3HPrO]

@RiptideX1090

Yes to both. Anyways, I always though that Liara was more compatible with Feron than anyone else, seeing her concern for him. It was more than platonic friendship.

[RiptideX1090]

t3HPrO wrote...

@RiptideX1090
Yes to both. Anyways, I always though that Liara was more compatible with Feron than anyone else, seeing her concern for him. It was more than platonic friendship.

Source, if you don't mind? I'm curious.

I always pegged Miranda for 29-32.

[t3HPrO]

Given she lives 1&1/2 times longer than the average human and her age is 35, the formula works out like this: 150X1.5=225 Therefore, Miranda's 'actual' age is: 35/225X150=23.33(repeating) Simple math, really.

[Ieldra]

MIranda's age and apparent age (excerpt from the Miranda Lawson FAQ:

I’m confused about Miranda’s age. How old is she?
The Mass Effect website says Miranda is 35. From in-game sources, we can conclude she is between 32 and 38: Miranda says she was a teenager when her father grew Oriana. Taking that literally, Miranda was between 13 and 19 then. Oriana is 19 when we meet her. So Miranda must be between 19+13 (32) and 19+19 (38).

Miranda says she’ll live half again as long as a normal human. Shouldn’t she look like 24 then?
Aging and growing up are separate processes. You start to age when you are grown up. If you’re grown up at 20, and you age at 67% of the normal rate, then you’ll look like 30 when you are really 35, or more generally: if you’re grown up and your real age is X, you will look like 20 + 0.67*(X-20). Since how a grown-up human looks at a certain age varies somewhat, independently of his of her life expectancy, the difference between a normal  human and Miranda will probably not become obvious until she’s considerably older.
(Note: while asari do have a longer phase of growing up than humans, that does not mean that humans would follow that pattern even if they had a similar lifespan. Growing-up and aging are separate processes.)

Note that her psychic development will still follow the normal pattern, since this is shaped by experience. So mentally, Miranda is 35 (or between 32 and 38).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Zulu_DFA]

She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

[Nightwriter]

Obviously her father used a time machine. He was also a wizard. Her father is Saruman. It all makes sense.

[Errol Dnamyx]

And instead of a heart, there´s a brick of charcoal in his chest. : (

[Mox Ruuga]

jtav wrote...

Jacob is 28, one year younger than Shep. Seven years isn't a massive age gap. I think Miranda is largely over him, though part of me wants them to reconcile. I suspect they will be found in the same place in ME3 and if Shepard pursued a romance with neither of them, then it it will be implied that they are romantically together in ME3.

Really?

I like Jacob better than most of the ME fandom seems to, but it would be the Tali / Shepard situation in reverse. Jacob is not her equal. Tho he doesn't seem to hero worship her either, which is one thing their dynamic has over that of Shepard / Tali. I never saw any regret over the relationship from her side, whereas it is one of the more common things Jacob talks about.

I really hope Jacob and Miranda will be kept apart. If they are together, then Jacob will not have moved on, and Miranda will have settled. In my opinion, no need to *facepalm* me anyone, if you disagree...

Perhaps I should go and see the ME:Galaxy plot from Youtube or something... I wonder if that sheds any more light on their interactions...

[Nightwriter]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

If they are together, then Jacob will not have moved on, and Miranda will have settled.

This is a very good - and insightful - way to put it. It condenses my feelings on the matter.

I very much agree. And not just because I'm a Mirimancer. No, really!

[t3HPrO]

Wow. My girlfriend said that if there's one reason she'd be a lesbian, it'd be Miranda. O_o How many other girls do we have here that have the same sentiment?

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

Zulu, did you really think we hadn't already thought of this? She can't have been genetically engineered to be a biotic....Here the excerpt from the Miranda Lawson FAQ:

If Miranda is 35 in ME2, she can’t have been exposed to eezo before birth. So how did she become a biotic?
The easy answer: the Mass Effect timeline, from 2148 onward, is a complete mess anyway and has a number of very implausible consequences. Don’t take the time scale seriously. Just ignore it.
For an in-world rationalization:  Assuming that eezo was discovered with the Prothean cache on Mars in 2148, she could have been accidentally exposed before birth, before the first publicly known eezo accidents. But it is doubtful that Miranda’s father would have risked exposure of her to anything that could adversely affect her perceived perfection. And since eezo’s effects on human children were not known until 2156, he couldn’t have done it on purpose. So how did she become a biotic? The Codex mentions that some krogan can become biotics through surgery. A possible scenario is that Miranda’s father tried a similar procedure on Miranda after first contact. Biotic implants have to be implanted before puberty for best effect, so there would have been a window of about three years for this experimental surgery.

More speculative details about that in my fanfic "Promethean Legacy" (in chapter 2). Elyvern has tried to find a way how Miranda could have been genetically engineered for biotics in spite of this, but it would require key events of either the timeline or Miranda's life to be rewritten. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Nightwriter]

t3HPrO wrote...

Wow. My girlfriend said that if there's one reason she'd be a lesbian, it'd be Miranda. O_o How many other girls do we have here that have the same sentiment?

Meh.

I think it would take a pretty powerful presence to get me to make a statement like that. I mean even on the flipside, if I were a lesbian, it would take a pretty powerful presence to get me to make a statement like that about a man.

Either way it would take someone really, really impressive. Like, really. And I'd need more exposure to them than what little we're given to a videogame character who's only one among 12.

[Elyvern]

Arijharn wrote...

I'm honestly more inclined to agree with Zulu about the whole Jacob/Miranda 'fiasco.' If only because it's clear that Jacob is or was at some point during ME2 still carrying a torch for her. I'm not sure how I took Miranda's sad expression during the whole "I leaked that info to you Jacob" moment other than it contained sadness, so I think perhaps Zulu could be right.
Having said that, I think they probably just drifted apart due to work (it must be tough working in a clandestine organization that seeks to chart the course of human development) and maybe neither party wanted that to happen, but probably couldn't do anything about it. When Lazarus came about; perhaps neither party was willing to step outside their comfort zone and thus a missed opportunity was born.

In the lack of concrete facts, everything boils down to circumstantial evidence. And I think it's valid to say that the side with more circumstantial evidence would edge out. I didn't outright discount Zulu's hypothesis. If an argument for Jacob initiating the breakup manages to produce more well-reasoned arguments than one that posits Miranda initiating the breakup, or even one arguing for a mutual breakup, then I have no choice but to give it credence.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

More speculative details about that in my fanfic "Promethean Legacy" (in chapter 2). Elyvern has tried to find a way how Miranda could have been genetically engineered for biotics in spite of this, but it would require key events of either the timeline or Miranda's life to be rewritten. 

Not to mention the fact that she would still have to obtain eezo for her biotic nodules somehow, because I don't see how a substance that originates from the core of neutron stars, isn't found in the natural environment of Earth, whose properties remain largely unknown, and expect that human biology would be able to recreate it in the process of fetal development using existing protein building blocks. The eezo most likely has to come from an external source., either engineering her to be more susceptible to absorption of red sand, minagen or raw eezo, or directly introducing it via medical procedures, all of which goes against the definition of a genetic biotic. 

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:28 .

[Jebel Krong]

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[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

Jacob is 28, one year younger than Shep. Seven years isn't a massive age gap. I think Miranda is largely over him, though part of me wants them to reconcile. I suspect they will be found in the same place in ME3 and if Shepard pursued a romance with neither of them, then it it will be implied that they are romantically together in ME3.

My god, now that I've re-read this...I empathically don't want this to happen. After implying that she's moved on because he was too idealistic, too straightforward, not her equal, blahblah, and then to have go back with Jacob is as good as taking a giant step back. I sincerely hope that Bioware doesn't feel compelled to shackle her up with Jacob again if Shepard didn't choose to romance either of them because a person's choice in their significant other actually says alot about their character. Miranda taking Jacob back would actually reduce her appeal to me.

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:45 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

More speculative details about that in my fanfic "Promethean Legacy" (in chapter 2). Elyvern has tried to find a way how Miranda could have been genetically engineered for biotics in spite of this, but it would require key events of either the timeline or Miranda's life to be rewritten. 

Not to mention the fact that she would still have to obtain eezo for her biotic nodules somehow, because I don't see how you can engineer a substance that originates from the core of neutron stars, whose properties remain largely unknown, and expect that human biology would be able to recreate it in the process of fetal development using existing protein building blocks. The eezo most likely has to come from an external source., either engineering her to be more susceptible to absorption of red sand, minagen or raw eezo, or directly introducing it via medical procedures, all of which goes against the definition of a genetic biotic. 

I have touched on this in my fanfic. To engineer a genetic biotic, you need to engineer for natural eezo assimilation first, then add the nodule buildup functionality. Supposing that's possible (apparently the asari have that trait), the child would then need to grow in a mother with eezo-enriched blood or an artificial womb using eezo-enriched fluids, and possibly grow up in an environment with significant amounts of eezo until the nodules are built up.
If the trait is to be passed on to the next generation, it's most likely that a female genetic biotic would need to live in an eezo-rich environment and/or eat eezo-enriched food, for she would have to assimilate the eezo her children will need as they grow in her body.

BTW, that does not go against the definition of a genetic biotic. Human physiology depends on a lot of environmental factors, such as the presence of a surprising number of trace elements. Regardless of genetics, if those elements aren't present in the right amount a child will have defects or be nonviable. Supposing you can engineer for biotics as above, eezo will have to be present or there will be a defect - no biotics. But the genetic template is viable nonetheless. That's as natural as any trait can get.

However, this illustrates a problem: it's not possible to introduce that trait into the human population at large, because human worlds don't contain eezo and normal humans are too often damaged by it. You'd have to create a community of engineered biotics on an appropriate world and make them dependent on eezo in other ways, so it's ensured they always eat what's required whereever they travel. Else the trait will die out again in a few generations.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2010 - 08:48 .