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[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...
Jacob is 28, one year younger than Shep. Seven years isn't a massive age gap. I think Miranda is largely over him, though part of me wants them to reconcile. I suspect they will be found in the same place in ME3 and if Shepard pursued a romance with neither of them, then it it will be implied that they are romantically together in ME3.

My god, now that I've re-read this...I empathically don't want this to happen. After implying that she's moved on because he was too idealistic, too straightforward, not her equal, blahblah, and then to have go back with Jacob is as good as taking a giant step back. I sincerely hope that Bioware doesn't feel compelled to shackle her up with Jacob again if Shepard didn't choose to romance either of them because a person's choice in their significant other actually says alot about their character. Miranda taking Jacob back would actually reduce her appeal to me.

You have my complete agreement in this. Miranda and Jacob together after ME3, Miranda as "The Priiize" - it doesn't bear thinking about. That's taking sentimentality too far.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

More speculative details about that in my fanfic "Promethean Legacy" (in chapter 2). Elyvern has tried to find a way how Miranda could have been genetically engineered for biotics in spite of this, but it would require key events of either the timeline or Miranda's life to be rewritten. 

Not to mention the fact that she would still have to obtain eezo for her biotic nodules somehow, because I don't see how you can engineer a substance that originates from the core of neutron stars, whose properties remain largely unknown, and expect that human biology would be able to recreate it in the process of fetal development using existing protein building blocks. The eezo most likely has to come from an external source., either engineering her to be more susceptible to absorption of red sand, minagen or raw eezo, or directly introducing it via medical procedures, all of which goes against the definition of a genetic biotic. 

I have touched on this in my fanfic. To engineer a genetic biotic, you need to engineer for natural eezo assimilation first, then add the nodule buildup functionality. Supposing that's possible (apparently the asari have that trait), the child would then need to grow in a mother with eezo-enriched blood or an artificial womb using eezo-enriched fluids, and possibly grow up in an environment with significant amounts of eezo until the nodules are built up.
If the trait is to be passed on to the next generation, it's most likely that a female genetic biotic would need to live in an eezo-rich environment and/or eat eezo-enriched food, for she would have to assimilate the eezo her children will need as they grow in her body.

I've read that eezo is used in medical procedures and that was one of the speculated origins of red sand invention, and I've always wondered how is it administered? If you recall, I was planning that only females with Miranda's genetic template can produce viable biotics? My theory is similar to yours in that eezo absorption has to be genetically engineered, but then the existing nodules in the mother's body become source reserviors for the fetus's eezo nodules. Of course what this means is the mother's biotic abilities actually fluctuate during the course of her life, but a biological mechanism can be implemented that would allow her to absorb more eezo for her own nodules until a cut-off point is reached. Something like this may be less clunky than your approach, but pre-empts males from producing biotic children. But it would support the reason why Miranda's father makes all his children female.  

Edit: From another perspective, this may also go about reducing the big lifestyle changes needed to sustain a large population of genetic biotics. Living in a post-garden world rich with environmental eezo reserves may just be enough if we allow for eezo absorption via air and skin exposure like in normal human biotics.

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:44 .

[Jebel Krong]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

well officially, at least. i guess they could engineer more wiggle-room there. it's like saying lcd tvs didn't exist till the 90s (by the time most people had heard of them), when they were prototyped in the 70s.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

well officially, at least. i guess they could engineer more wiggle-room there. it's like saying lcd tvs didn't exist till the 90s (by the time most people had heard of them), when they were prototyped in the 70s.

The only problem with that: they only found eezo in the Prothean ruins on Mars in 2148. Eezo is required for biotics. Engineering for biotics in 2149 would need the premise "Someone on Earth had samples of eezo and knew how to use it to engineer biotics significantly earlier than 2149". While that's not completely impossible, such a big premise would move the focus of any Miranda story to itself and to who had that knowledge and why. Also, there's too much stereotypical superhero-origins stuff in that premise. I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as implants. 

[Ieldra]

Changed the OP:



Added jtav's fanfic "Persistence of Memory" to the fanfic list.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as implants. 

Taking Occam's razor into consideration, that's most likely the case. Even if Miranda's father intend to build a dynasty of genetic biotics, the prototypical genetic biotic has to be her offspring or Oriana, it wouldn't be Miranda. She would, however, act as a seeding repository to kick-start eezo assimilation in future generations.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

well officially, at least. i guess they could engineer more wiggle-room there. it's like saying lcd tvs didn't exist till the 90s (by the time most people had heard of them), when they were prototyped in the 70s.

The only problem with that: they only found eezo in the Prothean ruins on Mars in 2148. Eezo is required for biotics. Engineering for biotics in 2149 would need the premise "Someone on Earth had samples of eezo and knew how to use it to engineer biotics significantly earlier than 2149". While that's not completely impossible, such a big premise would move the focus of any Miranda story to itself and to who had that knowledge and why. Also, there's too much stereotypical superhero-origins stuff in that premise. I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as implants. 

not really, governments know a whole lot about things before the general public do - the military in particular, it's quite possible small concentrations were found or recognised and experimented on before the official dates. as for how that impacts miranda, it's not really that important, only shifting the dates round - she's still the same, i don't buy "superhero stuff" she's just an engineered human/artificial biotic - something that will probably become normal in due course (and engineered humans are already becoming a reality, in some aspects).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Jebel Krong]

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[Elyvern]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

well officially, at least. i guess they could engineer more wiggle-room there. it's like saying lcd tvs didn't exist till the 90s (by the time most people had heard of them), when they were prototyped in the 70s.

The only problem with that: they only found eezo in the Prothean ruins on Mars in 2148. Eezo is required for biotics. Engineering for biotics in 2149 would need the premise "Someone on Earth had samples of eezo and knew how to use it to engineer biotics significantly earlier than 2149". While that's not completely impossible, such a big premise would move the focus of any Miranda story to itself and to who had that knowledge and why. Also, there's too much stereotypical superhero-origins stuff in that premise. I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as implants. 

not really, governments know a whole lot about things before the general public do - the military in particular, it's quite possible small concentrations were found or recognised and experimented on before the official dates. as for how that impacts miranda, it's not really that important, only shifting the dates round - she's still the same, i don't buy "superhero stuff" she's just an engineered human - something that will become normal in due course.

I have explored that possibility and the crux here lies in how early was the "unofficial" discovery. As Ieldra has pointed out, the earliest manifestation of biotic abilities in children is 4-6 years of age. For Miranda to be a genetic biotic within a reasonable time frame after the eezo discovery requires a very specific set of circumstances.

1. A pioneering pregnant researcher being exposed to eezo (it has to be accidental because nobody knows what eezo can do at that point in time)

2. That exposure producing a biotically capable child (note that most exposures lead to cancer and fetal deaths).

3. You need to give an allowance of 4-6 years for any biotic ability to manifest

4. The time period it takes to develop Miranda's genetic template

If you take all this into consideration, there is a big danger of the "unofficial" discovery dating back to more than 10 years. And I'd imagine at that point in time, the other potential qualities of eezo would make it really hard to keep under wraps. Bottomline is you'd have to revise, consider too many factors for such a theory to be viable. Hence Occam's razor.

Edit: also note that engineering Miranda wasn't the start of her father's desire for a dynasty. So before the discovery of eezo and human biotics, what was he engineering in his earlier children? If you're interested in the original discussion between me and Ieldra, click here:

http://social.biowar...dex/2857694/275

The only other way Miranda can have biotics engineered into her genetic template is via retrogenetic therapy, ie. altering her genes when she was a child, which would be plausible given the time frame. It would likely require using a virus template as an transformation vector, and would be highly dangerous. I can't help but wonder if this may be the cause of her acquiring that "benign neoplasm" and the postulation that it may originate from genetic damge, but that's another topic all together.

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:14 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...
I've read that eezo is used in medical procedures and that was one of the speculated origins of red sand invention, and I've always wondered how is it administered? If you recall, I was planning that only females with Miranda's genetic template can produce viable biotics? My theory is similar to yours in that eezo absorption has to be genetically engineered, but then the existing nodules in the mother's body become source reserviors for the fetus's eezo nodules. Of course what this means is the mother's biotic abilities actually fluctuate during the course of her life, but a biological mechanism can be implemented that would allow her to absorb more eezo for her own nodules until a cut-off point is reached. Something like this may be less clunky than your approach, but pre-empts males from producing biotic children. But it would support the reason why Miranda's father makes all his children female.

This sounds as if it could be viable. Except that I don't see why this would prevent males from carrying the trait and becoming fathers of biotic children.

Edit: From another perspective, this may also go about reducing the big lifestyle changes needed to sustain a large population of genetic biotics. Living in a post-garden world rich with environmental eezo reserves may just be enough if we allow for eezo absorption via air and skin exposure like in normal human biotics.

I've thought about this. Dependence on eating food containing eezo seems like the heavier requirement, but actually it isn't. Depending on skin absorption means you won't be able to move out of the eezo-rich environment without adverse effects. Basically, any travelling biotic would have a special diet requirement anyway. Better they all have this in the first place (as I suspect the asari have), so it's nothing special from some point onwards. Normal humans need the essential amino acids in their food, biotics just need one component more.

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as  implants. 

Taking Occam's razor into consideration,  that's most likely the case. Even if Miranda's father intend to build a dynasty of genetic biotics, the prototypical genetic biotic has to be her offspring or Oriana, it wouldn't be Miranda. She would, however, act as a seeding repository to kick-start eezo assimilation in future generations.

I'm not trying to throw a kink in your plans, but to point out some difficulties....
(1) If it is to be Miranda's offspring, the genetic template in her eggs would need to be modified during Miranda's lifetime to enable eezo absorption for the next generation. A woman is born with all her eggs.
(2) Miranda's own genetic template would also need to be modified during her lifetime for the functionality of moving eezo through her bloodstream, though you can assume this has been done parallel to the implanting of the nodules.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...
I've read that eezo is used in medical procedures and that was one of the speculated origins of red sand invention, and I've always wondered how is it administered? If you recall, I was planning that only females with Miranda's genetic template can produce viable biotics? My theory is similar to yours in that eezo absorption has to be genetically engineered, but then the existing nodules in the mother's body become source reserviors for the fetus's eezo nodules. Of course what this means is the mother's biotic abilities actually fluctuate during the course of her life, but a biological mechanism can be implemented that would allow her to absorb more eezo for her own nodules until a cut-off point is reached. Something like this may be less clunky than your approach, but pre-empts males from producing biotic children. But it would support the reason why Miranda's father makes all his children female.

This sounds as if it could be viable. Except that I don't see why this would prevent males from carrying the trait and becoming fathers of biotic children.

In that the theory requires mothers to be the seed reservoir for nodule implantation. A male genetic biotic mating with a normal human female may pass on his genes, but without eezo within the mother's system, nodules cannot be created. (I'm also assuming that it's far easier to have those nodules develop in-utero, and have the eezo assimilation mechanism build upon it to make a biotic viable.) 

I've thought about this. Dependence on eating food containing eezo seems like the heavier requirement, but actually it isn't. Depending on skin absorption means you won't be able to move out of the eezo-rich environment without adverse effects. Basically, any travelling biotic would have a special diet requirement anyway. Better they all have this in the first place (as I suspect the asari have), so it's nothing special from some point onwards. Normal humans need the essential amino acids in their food, biotics just need one component more.

That's acceptable.

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as  implants. 

Taking Occam's razor into consideration,  that's most likely the case. Even if Miranda's father intend to build a dynasty of genetic biotics, the prototypical genetic biotic has to be her offspring or Oriana, it wouldn't be Miranda. She would, however, act as a seeding repository to kick-start eezo assimilation in future generations.

I'm not trying to throw a kink in your plans, but to point out some difficulties....
(1) If it is to be Miranda's offspring, the genetic template in her eggs would need to be modified during Miranda's lifetime to enable eezo absorption for the next generation. A woman is born with all her eggs.
(2) Miranda's own genetic template would also need to be modified during her lifetime for the functionality of moving eezo through her bloodstream, though you can assume this has been done parallel to the implanting of the nodules.

Check my post above yours for the second point. I agree the first hurdle is a far harder one to overcome. Dear god, why does my mind keep going back to that stupid medical dossier....

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

well officially, at least. i guess they could engineer more wiggle-room there. it's like saying lcd tvs didn't exist till the 90s (by the time most people had heard of them), when they were prototyped in the 70s.

The only problem with that: they only found eezo in the Prothean ruins on Mars in 2148. Eezo is required for biotics. Engineering for biotics in 2149 would need the premise "Someone on Earth had samples of eezo and knew how to use it to engineer biotics significantly earlier than 2149". While that's not completely impossible, such a big premise would move the focus of any Miranda story to itself and to who had that knowledge and why. Also, there's too much stereotypical superhero-origins stuff in that premise. I'd rather stick to the current consensus (is it still one? Do I need to change the FAQ?) ) that Miranda is an artificial biotic who got her nodules as implants. 

not really, governments know a whole lot about things before the general public do - the military in particular, it's quite possible small concentrations were found or recognised and experimented on before the official dates. as for how that impacts miranda, it's not really that important, only shifting the dates round - she's still the same, i don't buy "superhero stuff" she's just an engineered human - something that will become normal in due course.

I have explored that possibility and the crux here lies in how early was the "unofficial" discovery. As Ieldra has pointed out, the earliest manifestation of biotic abilities in children is 4-6 years of age. For Miranda to be a genetic biotic within a reasonable time frame after the eezo discovery requires a very specific set of circumstances.

1. A pioneering pregnant researcher being exposed to eezo (it has to be accidental because nobody knows what eezo can do at that point in time)

2. That exposure producing a biotically capable child (note that most exposures lead to cancer and fetal deaths).

3. You need to give an allowance of 4-6 years for any biotic ability to manifest

4. The time period it takes to develop Miranda's genetic template

If you take all this into consideration, there is a big danger of the "unofficial" discovery dating back to more than 10 years. And I'd imagine at that point in time, the other potential qualities of eezo would make it really hard to keep under wraps. Bottomline is you'd have to revise, consider too many factors for such a theory to be viable. Hence Occam's razor.

Edit: also note that engineering Miranda wasn't the start of her father's desire for a dynasty. So before the discovery of eezo and human biotics, what was he engineering in his earlier children? If you're interested in the original discussion between me and Ieldra, click here:

http://social.biowar...dex/2857694/275

The only other way Miranda can have biotics engineered into her genetic template is via retrogenetic therapy, ie. altering her genes when she was a child, which would be plausible given the time frame. It would likely require using a virus template as an transformation vector, and would be highly dangerous. I can't help but wonder if this may be the cause of her acquiring that "benign neoplasm" and the postulation that it may originate from genetic damge, but that's another topic all together.

nice post, but i am less interested in how miranda's biotics are introduced (the retrovirus seems most likely given the time-frames - oriana may well be the "refined" version, in that sense and we know that their father wasn't necessarily interested in what's best for them compared to building his dynasty); i am more interested in reconciling eezo discovery. now as a chemical is it possible that it is independently detectable from the prothean site? i.e. someone exploring on mars could be somehow exposed to it (and maybe that actually led to the discovery of the prothean relic). if so then it seems likely that it would be someone from the alliance, and therefore they may have chosen to keep it a secret until it's properties were ascertained.

[Elyvern]

Jebel Krong wrote...

nice post, but i am less interested in how miranda's biotics are introduced (the retrovirus seems most likely given the time-frames - oriana may well be the "refined" version, in that sense and we know that their father wasn't necessarily interested in what's best for them compared to building his dynasty); i am more interested in reconciling eezo discovery. now as a chemical is it possible that it is independently detectable from the prothean site? i.e. someone exploring on mars could be somehow exposed to it (and maybe that actually led to the discovery of the prothean relic). if so then it seems likely that it would be someone from the alliance, and therefore they may have chosen to keep it a secret until it's properties were ascertained.

I'd expect that anything so ground breaking and novel would have humans scouring every inch of it and studying it with every available instrument. There's no need for eezo exposure to find a substance that none of the existing instruments could decipher. Keeping the discovery of eezo secret would likely also hinge on keeping the discovery of the prothean site secret since they wouldn't know what eezo can do initially. I'm sorry, but I don't see why you need to reconcile eezo discovery if it isn't related to the topic of human biotics. Is it just academic curiosity or do you have something more detailed in mind?

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[jtav]

I don't particularly want Miranda/Jacob to happen in ME3. Part of me does want them to reconcile, but the greater part believes it would never work. I do think it's the sort of thing BW would do. No reason except a gut feeling.

Ieldra, a suggestion: Maybe you could indicate the pairing of any non-Miranda/Shep fics linked in the OP? Those who only want Miranda/Shepard won't accidentally click on something they dislike, and those looking for something different can find it more easily.

[Mox Ruuga]

jtav wrote...

I don't particularly want Miranda/Jacob to happen in ME3. Part of me does want them to reconcile, but the greater part believes it would never work. I do think it's the sort of thing BW would do. No reason except a gut feeling.

Yeah, Bioware might very well pull such a stunt, in order to try and boost Jacob and "soften" Miranda. Or for some other reason not readily apparent... Naturally only in cases where neither is with Shep, but it would still compromise both characters for me. Miranda more, because I like her much better and am actively interested in how she develops.

Hm... Has Miranda's writer been identified? Is it Mac?

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

nice post, but i am less interested in how miranda's biotics are introduced (the retrovirus seems most likely given the time-frames - oriana may well be the "refined" version, in that sense and we know that their father wasn't necessarily interested in what's best for them compared to building his dynasty); i am more interested in reconciling eezo discovery. now as a chemical is it possible that it is independently detectable from the prothean site? i.e. someone exploring on mars could be somehow exposed to it (and maybe that actually led to the discovery of the prothean relic). if so then it seems likely that it would be someone from the alliance, and therefore they may have chosen to keep it a secret until it's properties were ascertained.

I'd expect that anything so ground breaking and novel would have humans scouring every inch of it and studying it with every available instrument. There's no need for eezo exposure to find a substance that none of the existing instruments could decipher. Keeping the discovery of eezo secret would likely also hinge on keeping the discovery of the prothean site secret since they wouldn't know what eezo can do initially. I'm sorry, but I don't see why you need to reconcile eezo discovery if it isn't related to the topic of human biotics. Is it just academic curiosity or do you have something more detailed in mind?

academic/scientific curiosity only - it's my trade, after all.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, a suggestion: Maybe you could indicate the pairing of any non-Miranda/Shep fics linked in the OP? Those who only want Miranda/Shepard won't accidentally click on something they dislike, and those looking for something different can find it more easily.

Done.

[t3HPrO]

Okay, I LOL'd at the fact that you guys are busy arguing about biotics, discovery dates and whatnot. It's good, but y'all forgot the fact that the entire timeline was flawed to begin with(officially, at least), and Miranda is obviously not a genetic biotic(what's the big fuss anyways? Her biotics are still damned strong). Or this could've happened:



Alliance black-ops teams discovered eezo approx. 10~15 years before the official date, so they could start researching on it and it's benefits/drawbacks to humans in complete secrecy. After all, who would suspect you of experimenting on something that doesn't even exist, right? And Miranda's 'father', being well connected to the Alliance military, might've been privy to those results and thus begins experimenting on adding this new biotic abilities to his daughters, and Miranda was the first one(or first successful one)to have biotics. However, a SNAFU is hit. A leak happens in 2150, and major news outlets get wind of it, and thus the Alliance is forced to pretend that they just discovered eezo. So the official date is actually a big coverup.



This concept of militaries obscuring facts isn't something new. Hell, the Yanks and Brits have been doing this for decades now. So why wouldn't they adopt it as well in the future?

[t3HPrO]

But honestly, I still think BioWare had it's trademarked writing FUBAR right there in the timeline.

[t3HPrO]

I think this fanfic is rather well written. Nope, I didn't write it. Don't really like angst. Also, it's much angstier sequel is something I'm starting to dread reading, but I'm holding out for the promised happy ending. So...enjoy, and no, it ain't me who wrote it.

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...
Okay, I LOL'd at the fact that you guys are busy arguing about biotics, discovery dates and whatnot. It's good, but y'all forgot the fact that the entire timeline was flawed to begin with(officially, at least), and Miranda is obviously not a genetic biotic(what's the big fuss anyways? Her biotics are still damned strong).

It is interesting how Miranda could be modified to be a mother of a genetic biotic child because that would make a "dynasty" of human natural biotics possible. Which is was Elyvern says Miranda's father might be after. I admit I rather like the idea, since it removes one of the main flaws inherent in the idea of a dynasty of "just" super-normals: with your biotic children depending on environmental factors and/or special food, it's much more feasible to keep control of the traits over time. For a fanfic, it has the advantage you don't have to paint Miranda's father as obsessive to the point of stupidity - he's going after something viable. Even more, a group of natural biotics would need an eezo-rich environment, which would tend to keep it apart from normal humans over time, with no additional coercion necessary.

I have to say the extrapolation of the likely political/societal implications into the future makes me shudder, even though I'd still want humanity to acquire natural biotics.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2010 - 12:51 .

[Prudii Aden]

t3HPrO wrote...
This concept of militaries obscuring facts isn't something new. Hell, the Yanks and Brits have been doing this for decades now. So why wouldn't they adopt it as well in the future?

What d'you mean decades? Military obfuscation of facts is older than that. Try centuries...

[t3HPrO]

Prudii Aden wrote...
What d'you mean decades? Military obfuscation of facts is older than that. Try centuries...

True...true...argh must resist Budweiser meme temptation...anyways, piccie time!



Is it just me, or is Miri on a fridge raid?

[Jebel Krong]

Prudii Aden wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...
This concept of militaries obscuring facts isn't something new. Hell, the Yanks and Brits have been doing this for decades now. So why wouldn't they adopt it as well in the future?

What d'you mean decades? Military obfuscation of facts is older than that. Try centuries...

ha! millenia at least!!

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

She was genetically engineered to have biotics. Humans hardly understood biotics at all until at least 2160.

Zulu, did you really think we hadn't already thought of this? She can't have been genetically engineered to be a biotic....

I did think that you thought. That's why I thought it was dismissed. But instead you dismissed the entire in-game timeline. In order to justify a single figure on a promo-page that's clearly erronneous about other things, including pure gameplay issues (see Vanguard's powers there). I'm disappoint.

That "19+19" argument does not hold, because Miranda could kidnap her sister not at age 0 but up to 9-10 years. That's actually way more likely, because Miranda had to have some serious emotional investment in her sister to take such a decision. And she had to be not a total stranger to Oriana, or there would be no talk after the loyalty mission. (BTW, can you hear what they are talking about, or is it just fade-out/fade-in? Because for some reason I always said "Mission complete, return to base. On the double, Ms Lawson!")

[Shrugs.]