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That's actually a texmod you can find right here. I have that mod.

Thing is, I can't find it right now for some reason.

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tommyt_1994 wrote...
What do you think Miri would do in:


***BDtS
Kill Balak. It's for the greater good. She'd act pragmatically and against her immediate empathy.

***Zaeed Loyalty Mission
Save the workers. Because one man's revenge isn't worth leaving them to die. She won't kill Zaeed, though. He's a mercenary and will do what he's paid for, and the team needs all its strength.

I'll get back about the other situations later.

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BDtS

- Balak dies. Miranda makes the "You. But you're dead." choice and ends the Batarian with a single shot. OR, if there is time, she drags his ass for Cerberus' "interrogation" experts, so all info can be extracted about his possible collaborators etc., before his life ends.

Zaeed Loyalty Mission

- The mission takes priority. She allows Zaeed to run after Vido and kill him. But she doesn't forget this, and recommends to TIM that possible measures be taken against Zaeed should he live through the mission. Perhaps gifting him to the Eldfell-Ashland group?

Save/let Council die

- Council dies. Human lives are at stake and there is an opportunity here to remove a conservative and slow moving political body at a time when no bottle necks are needed. There is great potential for advancement of the human cause as well.

Rachni choice

- Hm... I'd say the queen dies. She knows of the power and uncontrollability of the Rachni, and would consider it too big a risk to unleash them on the Galaxy. She wouldn't take the queen at her word.

Feros choice

- She would try to limit civilian casualties, but if and when her grenades ran out, civilians would start dying. She wouldn't charge them head on to knock them out like Shepard would.

- Shiala... She would leave her alive, but wouldn't leave her to the colony, at least not by herself. Instead, Cerberus would interrrogate her about her involvement with Saren and Benezia. If she was deemed sincere, perhaps they would allow her to stay.

Virmire choice

- Ash dies. Kaidan is a superior officer, a tech expert, and a powerful biotic as well. Nothing personal against Ash.

Legion Loyalty

- Since there isn't any possibility of Cerberus being able to tamper with Legion's rewrite, she would advocate destroying the Heretics. It removes a weakened but still dangerous enemy of humanity from the stage, and doesn't make a neutral force beyond Cerberus' influence stronger.

Overlord choice

- Something inside her would die, but she would allow the experiments to continue. The potential for gain is too immense. She will have trouble sleeping, but there are pills for that. She makes the choice, so no one else has to lose a piece of his/her soul over such a monstrous decision.

Samesh Bhatia decision

- New weapons against the geth are needed. She wouldn't be as diplomatic to poor Samesh as the Paragon Shepard, and not as fiery as the Renegade either. She would explain the reasoning coldly but politely and depart, which would drive the bereaved husband to drink. Not her intention, of course, and she would later regret causing him pain, should she be told what happened. Not that it would change her mind about her choice.

Jacob Loyalty choice

- Ronald Taylor has no reason to continue living. How he checks out is immaterial. She would probably leave him to his self-made hell.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:15 .


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tommyt_1994 wrote...

What do you think Miri would do in:

***BDtS
***Zaeed Loyalty Mission
Save/let Council die
Rachni choice
Feros choice
Virmire choice
Legion Loyalty
Overlord choice
Samesh Bhatia decision
Jacob Loyalty choice


BDtS - Shoot Balak. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - Kate and the other hostages are a relatively small price to pay to stop a terrorist who has shown he has both the willingness and ability to wipe out an entire human colony.

Zaeed - Shoot Zaeed, then rescue the colonists. The suicide mission is difficult enough without having an unpredictable cowboy along for the ride. Zaeed isn't the only veteran mercenary in the galaxy that Cerberus can hire, just the most infamous. We all like Zaeed, but I really doubt there's much separating Zaeed from the second most infamous mercenary in the galaxy.

Save/Sacrifice the Council - Hard to say, could go either way. My first instinct is that Miranda would sacrifice the Council - it's the pragmatic choice and there's no way of knowing whether preserving a few more Alliance ships might make the difference against Sovereign. However, Miranda would also be aware that defeating Sovereign isn't the end of the war and humanity will need allies to fend off the rest of the Reapers. In the end though, I think she'd conclude that defeating Sovereign must take priority over everything else and dealing with the repercussions of sacrificing the Council can be dealt with later.

Rachni - I think Miranda would kill the rachni just to be safe. Despite the rachni queen's pleas, all Miranda would know at this point is that thousands of years ago the rachni almost wiped out the Council races. She might also think like Ashley, where she'd be motivated to protect her sister from the horrors of the galaxy, thus again compelling her to kill the rachni.

Feros - Kill the colonists. No way to be sure they can be saved or that the gas grenades will work. On a mission that is crucial to protecting the galaxy, the last thing Miranda needs is for the grenades to fail and the colonists to shoot her in the back. She wouldn't make the decision lightly, but she'd gun down the colonists nonetheless.

Virmire - Probably shoot Wrex but only after failing to talk him down. Miranda lacks Shepard's ability to inspire loyalty through charisma and personal magnetism alone. She'd be forced to take Wrex down. As for who she would save, I think Miranda saves whoever is the closest. Miranda has shown she doesn't usually let emotion affect her ability to do her job. I think if she had to choose one or the other and both were equally difficult to save, she'd save Kaidan because he's less easily replaced due to his biotics and technical skills. Ashley is tough, but she's just another grunt and not even a particularly elite grunt in terms of training or experience.

Legion - Well she already recommends turning him in to Cerberus in ME2, so this isn't a difficult question to answer. Legion might be intriguing to interact with and the scientist in her might be curious to see what he'd be like, but a suicide mission isn't the time to be taking unnecessary risks. In any case, any secrets Legion might be hiding could just as easily be extracted by Cerberus at a secure facility.

Edit: Argh - misread the question. She already gives her opinion on the loyalty mission. She advocates playing it safe and destroying the heretics because "Legion's geth could become a problem".
 
Overlord - Hard one to answer. I think she keeps David with Cerberus, but demands that Jonathan be replaced and someone more responsible be put in charge. She'd feel terrible for David, but his gift is too unique and too potentially gamechanging to just throw it away by turning him over to the Jon Grissom Academy.

Samesh Bhatia - She keeps the body with the Alliance. Samesh's wife is already dead and the Alliance will return the body eventually. If Samesh has to wait a few more months so the Alliance can conduct potentially life-saving experiments, it's a worthwhile sacrifice and a relatively cheap price to pay.

Jacob's LM - She either shoots Ronald Taylor or lets Jacob do it. Ronald's crimes are horrific and Miranda has likely seen too much of the Alliance's ineptitude and inefficiency to trust the Alliance's justice system to give Ronald what he deserves. However, Miranda isn't a sadist and wouldn't want to leave Ronald to be torn apart by his crazed crew either. A quick death is more than he deserves, but she'd grant it anyway.

Modifié par fongiel24, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:34 .


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Did you just say "We all like Zaeed", fongiel? Just for the record: I do not.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Did you just say "We all like Zaeed", fongiel? Just for the record: I do not.


My apologies. Maybe it would have been more accurate just to say "he's a popular character". His LM tarnishes him for me and presents all sorts of problems, but his stories are fairly amusing and there are hints that suggest he's more than just another bad*ss.

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Even though I am not into fan fictions much, I think I should post the link for this one because of the different approach it has on Miranda's romance, even though I don't not completely agree on that it is a different and refreshing approach (at least for me).

harms1.deviantart.com/art/Isolation-of-a-Paragon-170941189

May be most of you already have read it before or may be the writer is among us in this thread. In any case I feel like sharing.....   ^_^

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Now the complete list:

tommyt_1994 wrote...
What do you think Miri would do in:


BDtS
see abovethread

Zaeed Loyalty Mission
see abovethread

Save/let Council die
Concentrate on the Sovereign, leaving the Council to die. That's, after all, the pragmatic military decision. The reason is not that she wouldn't like to sacrifice human lives, but that all the fleet's strength is needed to defeat the Reaper.

Rachni choice:
This could have gone both ways. On one side, the queen would say anything to stay alive, so there's no reason to trust what she says, on the other side, the queen would owe her life to her, and could come to be an ally in the future if played right. I think the scientist in her would find the Rachni fascinating, and unconsciously give greater weight to the latter argument. Or not. I really can't say.

Feros choices:
Colonists: she'd use the grenades. There's really no reason not to unless you're callous. The colonists go unconscious from them, and where they don't, or if the grenades run out, they can still be shot. Also, they're pitiful in combat compared to your team. Possibly she'll end the mission with some casualities among the colonists, but most would survive.
Shiala: killing her would serve no purpose. And she did help by giving over the cipher. Were she an active enemy, she would have lied about having it.

Virmire choice
Kaidan/Ashley: She'd save Kaidan - he's a biotic, a tech specialist and and an officer. Compared to Kaidan, types like Ashley are a dime a dozen. (Please note that I like Ashley - this is purely what I think would be Miranda's reasoning).
Wrex: She'd try to convince Wrex before shooting him, but even if successful, she'd avoid having him in her squad while fighting through Saren's base, just in case.

Legion Loyalty:

Again, this could go either way. Mostly she'd tend to destroy the Heretic faction, but the decision would depend on how she weighs the political implications.
Having said that, I find it likely she wouldn't get Legion's loyalty mission in the first place, because she'd give it to Cerberus for research.

Overlord choice
It pains me to say that, but I think she'd allow the experiments to continue, only with the excesses curbed - none of those torture devices any more - and better oversight. Likely also a change in management. Reason: the possible gains are just too great to ignore.
The only way she'd make a different decision is after having spoken with Legion. Communication with the geth is thus established, and attempts to control them would be more technical anyway.

Samesh Bhatia decision
No question here, she'd leave the body with the military. Nirali is already dead, there's nothing more she could suffer, and while she'd understand Samesh's plight she'd put it off as a sentimentality too unimportant to indulge in considering the bigger picture of things. She would coolly and rationally point out the reasons to Samesh, being neither particularly compassionate nor particularly abrasive.

Jacob Loyalty choice
"End it here and now" would likely be what she thinks about it. I think she'd save Jacob from having to shoot his own father and either shoot him herself or leave him the pistol. If the latter, she'd consider it lenient, giving him a choice he never gave his crew.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:15 .


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snfonseka wrote...

Even though I am not into fan fictions much, I think I should post the link for this one because of the different approach it has on Miranda's romance, even though I don't not completely agree on that it is a different and refreshing approach (at least for me).

harms1.deviantart.com/art/Isolation-of-a-Paragon-170941189

May be most of you already have read it before or may be the writer is among us in this thread. In any case I feel like sharing.....   ^_^


I know the author, and he's a complete Miranda, Cerberus and TIM hater. In every one of his fics, he'll humiliate Miranda and/or kill her off in the stupidest ways possible. He also paints TIM and Miranda as one dimensional, cardboard cartoon villians, and constantly bashes on them unjustly. I had the misfortune of reading one chapter of one of his fics, and I'm seriously disgusted that writers like him can actually get their work published.Posted Image

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t3HPrO wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Even though I am not into fan fictions much, I think I should post the link for this one because of the different approach it has on Miranda's romance, even though I don't not completely agree on that it is a different and refreshing approach (at least for me).

harms1.deviantart.com/art/Isolation-of-a-Paragon-170941189

May be most of you already have read it before or may be the writer is among us in this thread. In any case I feel like sharing.....   ^_^


I know the author, and he's a complete Miranda, Cerberus and TIM hater. In every one of his fics, he'll humiliate Miranda and/or kill her off in the stupidest ways possible. He also paints TIM and Miranda as one dimensional, cardboard cartoon villians, and constantly bashes on them unjustly. I had the misfortune of reading one chapter of one of his fics, and I'm seriously disgusted that writers like him can actually get their work published.Posted Image


I don't think the above fan fiction is that much offensive towards TIM and Miranda. Anyway that's his view point....

Anyway here is a picture of Miri and Tali.....

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@snfonseka
No, it isn't that offensive, though it does imply that Miranda seduces Shepard to keep him with Cerberus. That won't go down well here, I'm afraid.

(Edit: did I really write the opposite of what I wanted to....grrrr)

@t3HPrO:
Would you give me a link to the other fanfics you've mentioned? This one is a bit distasteful for a Miranda fan, but the idea isn't that far-fetched, don't you think? So far I've seen nothing to put him off as a "stupid hater".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:39 .


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snfonseka wrote...

I don't think the above fan fiction is that much offensive towards TIM and Miranda. Anyway that's his view point....

Anyway here is a picture of Miri and Tali.....

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What...what are they doing? Trying to go Spiderwoman or something?Posted Image

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Ieldra2 wrote...
@t3HPrO:
Would you give me a link to the other fanfics you've mentioned? This one is a bit distasteful for a Miranda fan, but the idea isn't that far-fetched, don't you think? So far I've seen nothing to put him off as a "stupid hater".


Okay...here it is. Any software/hardware damage will not be my responsibility. Anyways, in all fairness, he doesn't bash in EVERY fic, just most of them. And they're really stupid, like the comments those trolls on YT are leaving.

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Anyways, pic time...



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Well, Miri couldn't believe it either.

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disagree with overlord choice, ieldra - whilst the research may have (very questionable given how they state he communicates with the geth and how legion does in the main game - the two are irreconcilable) value the project was an utter disaster, and the suffering therefore unnecessary, miranda would have shut it down (though i would caveat that is more likely after her loyalty mission in terms of character development).

as for the council, the way i see it is this: anyone with half a brain would know that the other races aren't just gonna let the human race install themselves as commander in chiefs after a few years in galactic affairs - the very possibility is a joke. like it or not the council are a symbol, and a much-needed one if you are going to do anything about threats like the reapers - miranda would see and understand that, hence saving the council would be the right decision.

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I've read bits and pieces by the author linked. He does have something of a tendency to write Miranda as a one note incompetent villain. It's the incompetence part I don't like. I have considered doing my own take on "Miranda got her way about the control chip." I think the idea has potential, but the author pulled it off poorly. If I were doing it, Miranda would still be a villain and would probably still die (or the implied to have her days numbered). Miranda could make a very, very good villain with only slight tweaking. I haven't done it yet, but it has more to do with other projects taking priority. I do recall a Shep/Tali story where Miranda was considerably darker, but the author was also talented and willing to get inside her head a bit.

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jtav wrote...

I've read bits and pieces by the author linked. He does have something of a tendency to write Miranda as a one note incompetent villain. It's the incompetence part I don't like. I have considered doing my own take on "Miranda got her way about the control chip." I think the idea has potential, but the author pulled it off poorly. If I were doing it, Miranda would still be a villain and would probably still die (or the implied to have her days numbered). Miranda could make a very, very good villain with only slight tweaking. I haven't done it yet, but it has more to do with other projects taking priority. I do recall a Shep/Tali story where Miranda was considerably darker, but the author was also talented and willing to get inside her head a bit.


Tendency? It's an effing obsession. Anyways, TIM isn't stupid enough to dump a control chip in Shep's head, so that scenario can be kicked out of the window if you're trying to be true to TIM's character.

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t3HPrO wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@t3HPrO:
Would you give me a link to the other fanfics you've mentioned? This one is a bit distasteful for a Miranda fan, but the idea isn't that far-fetched, don't you think? So far I've seen nothing to put him off as a "stupid hater".


Okay...here it is. Any software/hardware damage will not be my responsibility. Anyways, in all fairness, he doesn't bash in EVERY fic, just most of them. And they're really stupid, like the comments those trolls on YT are leaving.

Well, that was unpleasant. Didn't think a fanfic could make Shepard even more of a Marty Stu than he already is in the game. And whatever else Miranda is, she isn't stupid - seeing her portrayed thus is annoying. Chapter 1 looks like the rant of an angry Talimancer who can't stand a woman who can stand up to him. sniper1250's review of chapter 1 hit the nail on the head. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:48 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@t3HPrO:
Would you give me a link to the other fanfics you've mentioned? This one is a bit distasteful for a Miranda fan, but the idea isn't that far-fetched, don't you think? So far I've seen nothing to put him off as a "stupid hater".


Okay...here it is. Any software/hardware damage will not be my responsibility. Anyways, in all fairness, he doesn't bash in EVERY fic, just most of them. And they're really stupid, like the comments those trolls on YT are leaving.

Well, that was unpleasant. Didn't think a fanfic could make Shepard even more of a Marty Stu than he already is in the game. And whatever else Miranda is, she isn't stupid - seeing her portrayed thus is annoying. Chapter 1 looks like the rant of an angry Talimancer who can't stand a woman who can stand up to him. sniper1250's review of chapter 1 hit the nail on the head. 


that wasn't just bad - that was comically bad, and i just skimmed the first page... :pinched:

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Feel free to flamethrower the bastage into oblivion. In fact, do it. It'll be good for the entire community.

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Hardly worth the trouble. Besides, I've seen Miranda fics that bash Tali. What I'd really like to see is a story where they become friends. I can see some potential. Come on, throw me a bone.

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Maybe you could try this Miri/Shep fic:http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5843790/1/


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I haven't seen any Shep/Miri that bashes tali, but I've seen literally HUNDREDS of shep/tali that bash every LI except, well, the buckethead in question.

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Just a reminder that page count celebratory posts get deleted because they're off-topic.

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Bummer....suddenly it matters where we post screenshots. Well, next time I'll post one without any text. But here's another one:



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BTW, I just finished Overlord again. I still think it's likely Miranda wouldn't shut down the project completely if you play it before Legion's loyalty mission. All in all, I'm annoyed at how that research is portrayed in the game - with a completely gratuitous torture device. It's silly, it gives scientific research a bad name, and since almost everything we actually see in the game is like that, things like that feed anti-scientific sentiments.