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[fongiel24]

Aedan1992 wrote...

"Sarcastic"  Yes your absolutely right she really doesn't want a relationship with shepard the whole idea scare her. Thats the reason why she mentions love. And you can definatly see at the way she talks to shepard that she is not intrested at all! 

Pleas who are you trying to convice. Those who love the romance or yourself. 

No need to get snarky. Nobody's trying to p*ss in your coffee.

Miranda gives no hint of even being interested in Shepard until after her LM. Even then, as jtav said, she actually states that beginning anything while on the mission would be a very bad idea. When she finally begins actively flirting with Shepard, she tries to dismiss it as "idiotic hormones". Nobody's saying Miranda was never interested in Shepard - she just thinks going beyond that is a bad idea.

Miranda might want a relationship with Shepard, but she is initially held back by the need for both of them to focus on the mission. She's the type of person for whom her responsibilities take precedent over her wants. IMO, the fact that she gives in in the end shows character development and makes the relationship more romantic, not less.

[Snowship]

or that she was forced into a relationship by the subplot....

Plot rape!

[jtav]

Agreed, fongiel. Insofar as the romance has a theme, it's Miranda learning to let herself be happy. She doesn't have to deny herself everything good in her life and it won't blow up in her face. I like that very much, and I'd love the romance if they'd made the romance scene part of the victory celebration.

[Alessar]

jtav wrote...

Agreed, fongiel. Insofar as the romance has a theme, it's Miranda learning to let herself be happy. She doesn't have to deny herself everything good in her life and it won't blow up in her face. I like that very much, and I'd love the romance if they'd made the romance scene part of the victory celebration.

Couldn't have put it better myself. This post along with your previous one are great.

[enayasoul]

Elyvern wrote...

This harkens back to an earlier argument we have about the short-sightedness of TIM ordering Miranda to seduce Shepard among other things. And the glaring evidence against this would be you never Miranda attempt to seduce Shepard at any point in time. While it'd make for a nice confrontation, I'm afraid it'll have to stay in the realm of speculation. I do agree that there may be other ways we don't know about regarding TIM attempting to safeguard his investment, but I don't think this is one of them. Guess, we'll have to wait for ME3 to find out.

Geez, the inertia in these boards is palpable. For those curious, the Dr Pepper N American promotion is back and AriesXX7 has kindly given me a code. While looking through the redeemable items, I saw a Miranda wallpaper-- the one that has her pointing a gun at the screen (I believe Jebel linked the Russian mag that featured that pic on the cover). I chose to get the recon hood instead, but am curious if anyone has that wallpaper and is willing to share.

Yeah, it's all in the realm of speculation.  I am quite certain he (TIM) will have safeguard towards his investments.  Like in Normandy and Shepard himself.  I can't wait to see how ME3 plays out.  I hope it's totally AWEsome!

You know that scene where Miranda sits down with (maleshep) near the couch and ask you about not trusting cerberus or picking the option "I wish your people made the offer."  The moment Miranda sits down. To me... it looks like she was checking him out... :happy:  *wishful thinking maybe* hehe,
I haven't gotten that far with the female shep so she may have done the same thing.

It funny, I've been playing mostly malesheps and my brother played only femshep.

[AresXX7]

Elyvern wrote...

For those curious, the Dr Pepper N American promotion is back and AriesXX7 has kindly given me a code. While looking through the redeemable items, I saw a Miranda wallpaper-- the one that has her pointing a gun at the screen (I believe Jebel linked the Russian mag that featured that pic on the cover). I chose to get the recon hood instead, but am curious if anyone has that wallpaper and is willing to share.

For those who are interested, I posted the whole set of the Dr. Pepper Miranda wallpapers in the 'Wallpapers' discussions thread of the Miranda for romance & squadmate for Mass Effect 3! group.

Here's the Link

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

Agreed, fongiel. Insofar as the romance has a theme, it's Miranda learning to let herself be happy. She doesn't have to deny herself everything good in her life and it won't blow up in her face. I like that very much, and I'd love the romance if they'd made the romance scene part of the victory celebration.

I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe. Yay

I actually started writing some scenes that kept churning in my mind after playing certain parts of the game.  My lastest one I wrote was after the suicide mission.  And the start of the relationship.  If anyone wants to read the one page I have written let me know.  I am trying to keep her emotions in check...  you know how she likes to think about things first and not count on anyone.  Wonder if it was all stress or emotions about not surviving... that did. Now what?  Does she feel the same way.  I think this will be an interesting exploration even if it's just something to pass the time until we get ME3!!!.

Who's to say they won't have a victory celebration after the mission... that's my hope they do... lots of it.

[enayasoul]

fongiel24 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...

"Sarcastic"  Yes your absolutely right she really doesn't want a relationship with shepard the whole idea scare her. Thats the reason why she mentions love. And you can definatly see at the way she talks to shepard that she is not intrested at all! 

Pleas who are you trying to convice. Those who love the romance or yourself. 

No need to get snarky. Nobody's trying to p*ss in your coffee.

Miranda gives no hint of even being interested in Shepard until after her LM. Even then, as jtav said, she actually states that beginning anything while on the mission would be a very bad idea. When she finally begins actively flirting with Shepard, she tries to dismiss it as "idiotic hormones". Nobody's saying Miranda was never interested in Shepard - she just thinks going beyond that is a bad idea.

Miranda might want a relationship with Shepard, but she is initially held back by the need for both of them to focus on the mission. She's the type of person for whom her responsibilities take precedent over her wants. IMO, the fact that she gives in in the end shows character development and makes the relationship more romantic, not less.

Yes, I can see this.  She thinks it will interfere with the mission but in ways wants it.  Cautious about it but interested in exploring the idea.   I like this about her... all professional with her duties but yet sexy and confident.  I admire that and it was good to see her grow near the end, smiling...

Modifié par enayasoul, 17 octobre 2010 - 03:25 .

[AntenDS]

jtav the wallpaper is 1920x1080.

http://img715.images...ndame2wallp.jpg



I hate wearing helmets or anything on my face because he doesn't take it off when he talks like in ME1. I want to see my characters expressions.

[t3HPrO]

enayasoul wrote...

I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe. Yay

I actually started writing some scenes that kept churning in my mind after playing certain parts of the game.  My lastest one I wrote was after the suicide mission.  And the start of the relationship.  If anyone wants to read the one page I have written let me know.  I am trying to keep her emotions in check...  you know how she likes to think about things first and not count on anyone.  Wonder if it was all stress or emotions about not surviving... that did. Now what?  Does she feel the same way.  I think this will be an interesting exploration even if it's just something to pass the time until we get ME3!!!.

Who's to say they won't have a victory celebration after the mission... that's my hope they do... lots of it.

Oh Miri and Shepard will have victory celebration after victory celebration after...you get my point. And it's just the 2 of them in the cabin, celebrating their victory over and over again.

[AntenDS]

enayasoul wrote...
I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe.

Only time Liara mentioned Miranda was after we took down the Asari and there were 3 paragon interupts.   I couldn't dump Liara for some reason(not a tenical reason) so I romanced her and also kept Miranda some how.  So i guess i was suppose to tell Liara we should just stay friend but those damn blue eyes and her innocent face wouldn't let me.

[enayasoul]

AntenDS wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe.

Only time Liara mentioned Miranda was after we took down the Asari and there were 3 paragon interupts.   I couldn't dump Liara for some reason(not a tenical reason) so I romanced her and also kept Miranda some how.  So i guess i was suppose to tell Liara we should just stay friend but those damn blue eyes and her innocent face wouldn't let me.

Oh I know what you mean. I had to make separate playthrough for the love interests. I wanted them all. 
I just love some more than others.

[fongiel24]

LotSB turned me into a Liara fan, but I still see her more as Shepard's best friend than Shepard's lover. I imagine both of them being attracted to each other, but realizing their friendship is too important to jeopardize. That, and Shepard still has very strong feelings for Miranda, of course.

[Ieldra]

AriesXX7 wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

For those curious, the Dr Pepper N American promotion is back and AriesXX7 has kindly given me a code. While looking through the redeemable items, I saw a Miranda wallpaper-- the one that has her pointing a gun at the screen (I believe Jebel linked the Russian mag that featured that pic on the cover). I chose to get the recon hood instead, but am curious if anyone has that wallpaper and is willing to share.

For those who are interested, I posted the whole set of the Dr. Pepper Miranda wallpapers in the 'Wallpapers' discussions thread of the Miranda for romance & squadmate for Mass Effect 3! group.

Here's the Link

Thanks. Unfortunately, they've been resized, the 1900x1200 version is much smaller. Is there any way to get the original ones?

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

Agreed, fongiel. Insofar as the romance has a theme, it's Miranda learning to let herself be happy. She doesn't have to deny herself everything good in her life and it won't blow up in her face. I like that very much, and I'd love the romance if they'd made the romance scene part of the victory celebration.

I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe. Yay

While I agree Miranda has changed mostly for the better (assuming that this doesn't turn into Badass Decay, which would be about the worst change imaginable), I'm not so fond of personality changes wrought through the power of love, especially if it sounds as if Shepard did all the changing and Miranda was just an object of his super-charm. The way Liara says it here sounds like stroking the player's ego and not much more. I'd have preferred a different phrasing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:50 .

[Arijharn]

I don't see Miranda being placed in charge of Shephard's 'seduction to the darkside' as being implausible given the idea that Shephard's basically pursuing her. You know why? There's a certain amount of allure of being the one on the 'hunt' so to speak.

Playing hard to catch and that sort of thing.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

Agreed, fongiel. Insofar as the romance has a theme, it's Miranda learning to let herself be happy. She doesn't have to deny herself everything good in her life and it won't blow up in her face. I like that very much, and I'd love the romance if they'd made the romance scene part of the victory celebration.

I totally agree with this!  What Liara says is so true about how he has changed Miranda. For the better, I believe. Yay

While I agree Miranda has changed mostly for the better (assuming that this doesn't turn into Badass Decay, which would be about the worst change imaginable), I'm not so fond of personality changes wrought through the power of love, especially if it sounds as if Shepard did all the changing and Miranda was just an object of his super-charm. The way Liara says it here sounds like stroking the player's ego and not much more. I'd have preferred a different phrasing.

This is unfortunately something that happens to all the LIs, not just Miranda. Any effect that Miranda has on Shepard has to be self-rationalised by the player. I've expressed that fear in another thread, that someone like Shepard really needs a partner that keeps him honest. Too many people are swayed instantly by his paltry rationalisations. But as Bioware propels Shepard towards messiah-hood in ME3, the impulse to think he's always right will just become stronger.

Given that we have a shining moment where Shepard confesses his doubts to Liara in LotSB, I hope for another where he does the same with his LI in ME3, thus recognising that  his significant other can be a source of strength in moments of doubts. An acknowledgement like that will go a long way towards reconciling my fear.

Modifié par Elyvern, 17 octobre 2010 - 12:28 .

[Elyvern]

AntenDS wrote...

jtav the wallpaper is 1920x1080.
http://img715.images...ndame2wallp.jpg

I hate wearing helmets or anything on my face because he doesn't take it off when he talks like in ME1. I want to see my characters expressions.

I was the one who requested for the wallpaper. Thanks again to both you and AriesXX7 for taking the effort to make them available!

[jtav]

The romances do contain a degree of ego stroking that makes me uncomfortable. About the only one I really enjoy are Liara and Kaidan's. The lack of a locker scene equivalent really harms the ME2 romances. They never feel equal. Miranda (or Tali or Jack) has nothing to offer Shep beyond the obvious, at least within-game. Miranda at least isn't the object of a "white knight" fantasy.

[Aedan1992]

fongiel24 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...

"Sarcastic"  Yes your absolutely right she really doesn't want a relationship with shepard the whole idea scare her. Thats the reason why she mentions love. And you can definatly see at the way she talks to shepard that she is not intrested at all! 

Pleas who are you trying to convice. Those who love the romance or yourself. 

No need to get snarky. Nobody's trying to p*ss in your coffee.

Miranda gives no hint of even being interested in Shepard until after her LM. Even then, as jtav said, she actually states that beginning anything while on the mission would be a very bad idea. When she finally begins actively flirting with Shepard, she tries to dismiss it as "idiotic hormones". Nobody's saying Miranda was never interested in Shepard - she just thinks going beyond that is a bad idea.

Miranda might want a relationship with Shepard, but she is initially held back by the need for both of them to focus on the mission. She's the type of person for whom her responsibilities take precedent over her wants. IMO, the fact that she gives in in the end shows character development and makes the relationship more romantic, not less.

Oke my mistake i have read it wrong.

[jtav]

You know, I wonder what will happen to those who didn't break up with Liara and also romanced Miranda? I hope it's painful. Shepard would be cheating in truth. He wouldn't deserve either of them. Though Shepard/Miranda/Liara is about the only threesome combination that I could see actually working. But I don't think Miranda is much for polyamory and I doubt it would work, even if I think either couple would, *waves OTP flag*

Modifié par jtav, 17 octobre 2010 - 03:05 .

[tommyt_1994]

jtav wrote...

You know, I wonder what will happen to those who didn't break up with Liara and also romanced Miranda? I hope it's painful. Shepard would be cheating in truth. He wouldn't deserve either of them. Though Shepard/Miranda/Liara is about the only threesome , nation that I could see actually working. But I don't think Miranda is much for polyamory.

I dunno, I don't think Miranda or Liara would be interested in that. They both seem to want Shepard for themselves and not to share him.

[Ieldra]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

jtav wrote...
You know, I wonder what will happen to those who didn't break up with Liara and also romanced Miranda? I hope it's painful. Shepard would be cheating in truth. He wouldn't deserve either of them. Though Shepard/Miranda/Liara is about the only threesome , nation that I could see actually working. But I don't think Miranda is much for polyamory.

I dunno, I don't think Miranda or Liara would be interested in that. They both seem to want Shepard for themselves and not to share him.

Not Miranda. She says as much. But I'm not so sure of Liara. BTW, how do things go in LotSB if you were with Liara in ME1 and with Miranda in ME2? I have no games with romance conflicts except Ashley/Miranda.

[jtav]

Well, you can still call Miranda up to your cabin if you reunite with Liara. I call that cheating. Liara has a catty remark if you try to talk about your relationship after you kill Vasir, but I don't think anything else changes vs. staying faithful.

[Errol Dnamyx]

jtav wrote...

Well, you can still call Miranda up to your cabin if you reunite with Liara. I call that cheating. Liara has a catty remark if you try to talk about your relationship after you kill Vasir, but I don't think anything else changes vs. staying faithful.

Do you remember what Liara says? I don´t have any Shepard who chose Liara in ME1, but I´m still interested in what Liara says, if you picked another LI in ME2.