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[snfonseka]

Time for a Miranda and Samara pic......

[t3HPrO]

Sigh I'm bowing out of this thread. Too many pointless debates that go nowhere. No wonder potential Mirimancers are turned off. From now on, I'm only gonna be posting pics in this thread. Anything more, you're looking at the wrong person.

[hooahguy]

I like to think of it as "A new generation of Mirimancers who have yet to discover everything about Miri so they post pointless questions out of ignorance."

I would be among the new guys.

[Mox Ruuga]

Eh...

I wouldn't call that debate pointless.

It is related to her characterization and a point in the story, where some of us feel the writing lets her down. It's a lesser version of the same problem that nearly destroyed Liara as a character in the out-of-the-box ME2 (before LotSB).

A pointless debate would be something like a heated quarrel about her shoe size.

[Alessar]

t3HPrO wrote...

Sigh I'm bowing out of this thread. Too many pointless debates that go nowhere. No wonder potential Mirimancers are turned off. From now on, I'm only gonna be posting pics in this thread. Anything more, you're looking at the wrong person.

Most of the debates on these forums go nowhere xD.

[hooahguy]

Me, Miri (who I just romanced, again), and Grunt stepping into the Collector base.

[fongiel24]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

A pointless debate would be something like a heated quarrel about her shoe size.

8.5 definitely. She doesn't have huge feet, but they're not really small and dainty either. Miranda is self-conscious about her feet. 

[Ieldra]

I see the Collector base debate has flared up in my absence. Should I make a FAQ entry about that topic, summarizing the relevant arguments for each side?

Sorry if I'll cause it to flare up again, but I can't let this stand unanswered:

Yannkee wrote...
[...] She's an intelligent woman, she doesn't need Shepard to make her own opinion about this.

Indeed - she's an intelligent woman, she should be able to see that destroying the base is a strategic mistake of the first order. That she does not even consider this when making her recommendation makes her appear stupid.

@t3HPrO:
8 months after the game came out there's nothing new left to discuss. So either we resort to even more pointless trivialities or rehash old stuff as new Miranda fans visit the thread.

@hooahguy, snfonseka:
Thanks for the nice screenshots!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[Alessar]

I hope I don't get a conflict between Miranda and Ashley in ME3, I had thought I didn't romance ashley and then she showed up in the room. I should have saved before virmire >_<

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
[...] She's an intelligent woman, she doesn't need Shepard to make her own opinion about this.

Indeed - she's an intelligent woman, she should be able to see that destroying the base is a strategic mistake of the first order. That she does not even consider this when making her recommendation makes her appear stupid.

Ok Miranda is stupid, all the people that support the decision to destroy the base are stupid. Keeping the base is the only intelligent decision ...
Fine.
I think everybody understood.

When I was talking about her intelligence, I was talking about her ability to make her own opinion about something without Shepard.

Modifié par Yannkee, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Aedan1992]

"Facepalm" And here we go again.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Mox Ruuga]

While eagerly anticipating jtav's next chapter of her Miranda/Liara fic (hint hint  ), I got to thinking about Miranda's possible relations with the rest of the crew.

I'm thinking she might get along well with Mordin, another of my favorites of ME2, if not perhaps THE favorite. They are both pragmatic enough to look past their differences, and IIRC Miranda even mentions she envies his time in the STG. I'm fairly sure Miranda would support Mordin's work in extending and improving the Genophage.

I just wonder... would she prefer to destroy the cure, or take a copy? Normally I think she would prefer to save information, but the possibility of that cure ending up again in Krogan hands is a potential disaster waiting to happen. Especially if someone in Cerberus wanted to play Saren and tried using it as a carrot in manipulating the Krogan.

Destroying the cure is the choice I make nearly always, whether Renegade or Paragon. At least with the Rachni, there's a legitimate reason to believe they would mend their ways. But the Krogan? There's no remorse whatsoever from them. They would likely start a genocidal war against the Turians and the Salarians. At the worst possible moment, when the Reaper threat is hanging over the Galaxy.

On a tangent, I think Wrex and Miranda would also get along. Grunt, not so much, tho she likely doesn't resent him either (unlike Jack).

[GodWood]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
While eagerly anticipating jtav's next chapter of her Miranda/Liara fic (hint hint  ), I got to thinking about Miranda's possible relations with the rest of the crew.

Before the suicide mission when choosing the first fire team leader Jack speaks out against Miranda leading a squad (which is to be expected) but if Jack isn't there Garrus will speak out against her saying something that implies other members of the crew (not just himself) are against taking her orders.

So I'm guesing shes not popular with everybody.

[Mox Ruuga]

GodWood wrote...

Before the suicide mission when choosing the first fire team leader Jack speaks out against Miranda leading a squad (which is to be expected) but if Jack isn't there Garrus will speak out against her saying something that implies other members of the crew (not just himself) are against taking her orders.

So I'm guesing shes not popular with everybody.

Yeah, I knew that. And it's actually realistic, so good for Bioware to implement it, tho IMO Tali would have been the more logical one to speak up about it, not the more pragmatic Garrus.

Tali I can't ever see warming up to Miri or even Jacob. And Miranda probably wouldn't consider it much of a loss, despite most likely acknowledging the usefulness of Tali's tech expertise. She would see Tali as a useful resource, nothing more.

Garrus... Again, I don't see Miranda having much of an interest in getting to know him. His "just get it done, F the rules" mentality she would like, and his skills as a Sniper and small unit leader she would find very useful. But he too is an idealist, and she would consider his crusade on the Omega as foolish and self destructive. She would probably view him as a sort of even more idealistic, impulsive version of Jacob. Without the physical attraction (hopefully!).

It's too bad in a way, that Okeer didn't make it into the squad. Then again, considering how little squaddie to squaddie interaction the devs implemented, it's just as well. We'd just be howling about even more wasted potential when Okeer and Mordin didn't have anything to say to each other...

[Fancando]

She is a most interesting character. Beautiful, smart and dangerous.

Modifié par Fancando, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
I just wonder... would she prefer to destroy the cure, or take a copy? Normally I think she would prefer to save information, but the possibility of that cure ending up again in Krogan hands is a potential disaster waiting to happen. Especially if someone in Cerberus wanted to play Saren and tried using it as a carrot in manipulating the Krogan.

Destroying the cure is the choice I make nearly always, whether Renegade or Paragon. At least with the Rachni, there's a legitimate reason to believe they would mend their ways. But the Krogan? There's no remorse whatsoever from them. They would likely start a genocidal war against the Turians and the Salarians. At the worst possible moment, when the Reaper threat is hanging over the Galaxy.

I've made both choices (destroying and keeping), and I think Miranda would be OK with both. Possibly tending a bit to "destroy it", because after all, what the galaxy doesn't doesn't need is a revitalized krogan species. Also keeping the data would possibly clash with the agenda of advancement of humanity, regardless of exactly how you understand that term.

@fancando:
On that we can all agree

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

AntenDS wrote...

jtav the wallpaper is 1920x1080.
http://img715.images...ndame2wallp.jpg

I hate wearing helmets or anything on my face because he doesn't take it off when he talks like in ME1. I want to see my characters expressions.

I was the one who requested for the wallpaper. Thanks again to both you and AriesXX7 for taking the effort to make them available!

shame the artefacting is so bad on miranda's render in all of those - i could have done a lot better. 

[Jebel Krong]

hooahguy wrote...

A recent post in the forums made me think: is there any actual, hard, evidence that Miri begins to sway when it comes to Cerberus before the decision is made whether or not to destroy the collector base? Now that I think about it, her change in heart seems a bit sudden. I do remember that she does cast some doubt after the collector ship set-up, but anything else?

yes, most specifically when you take her to the collectorship and TIMs manipulation becomes apparent. there's not much, but the hints at her change of attitude are there throughout the game in various conversations.

[Jebel Krong]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

While eagerly anticipating jtav's next chapter of her Miranda/Liara fic (hint hint  ), I got to thinking about Miranda's possible relations with the rest of the crew.

I'm thinking she might get along well with Mordin, another of my favorites of ME2, if not perhaps THE favorite. They are both pragmatic enough to look past their differences, and IIRC Miranda even mentions she envies his time in the STG. I'm fairly sure Miranda would support Mordin's work in extending and improving the Genophage.

I just wonder... would she prefer to destroy the cure, or take a copy? Normally I think she would prefer to save information, but the possibility of that cure ending up again in Krogan hands is a potential disaster waiting to happen. Especially if someone in Cerberus wanted to play Saren and tried using it as a carrot in manipulating the Krogan.

Destroying the cure is the choice I make nearly always, whether Renegade or Paragon. At least with the Rachni, there's a legitimate reason to believe they would mend their ways. But the Krogan? There's no remorse whatsoever from them. They would likely start a genocidal war against the Turians and the Salarians. At the worst possible moment, when the Reaper threat is hanging over the Galaxy.

On a tangent, I think Wrex and Miranda would also get along. Grunt, not so much, tho she likely doesn't resent him either (unlike Jack).

agreed (and i also destroy the cure - it can always be recreated anyway as mordin states at the time - you have enough problems to deal with then). and mordin is totally cool, i just hope he makes it into ME3...

[AresXX7]

On a side-note.

Coincidentally, after reading some earlier posts about having Miranda & Ashley in the crew for ME3, I came across this pic.



Yes it is rather crude (not mine, found it while googling Miri images) but it still does help to visualize such a scenario. 



And, speaking of Miranda images, I would be most grateful if anyone has a good screenshot of her saluting Shep, in her black loyal outfit, that doesn't cut off the top of her head. (if there is one, can't remember if her head was always cut off at the top - been a while since I last played & haven't reached that part yet in my latest run)
I'm still stuck on the 360 for a while longer. (my current PC is too weak to handle the game) So I can't do it myself.

ETA: For those curious, if you look at my signature section you'll see I like to put in pics of characters. (after removing the background images)

Modifié par AriesXX7, 18 octobre 2010 - 09:28 .

[Fancando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
I just wonder... would she prefer to destroy the cure, or take a copy? Normally I think she would prefer to save information, but the possibility of that cure ending up again in Krogan hands is a potential disaster waiting to happen. Especially if someone in Cerberus wanted to play Saren and tried using it as a carrot in manipulating the Krogan.

Destroying the cure is the choice I make nearly always, whether Renegade or Paragon. At least with the Rachni, there's a legitimate reason to believe they would mend their ways. But the Krogan? There's no remorse whatsoever from them. They would likely start a genocidal war against the Turians and the Salarians. At the worst possible moment, when the Reaper threat is hanging over the Galaxy.

I've made both choices (destroying and keeping), and I think Miranda would be OK with both. Possibly tending a bit to "destroy it", because after all, what the galaxy doesn't doesn't need is a revitalized krogan species. Also keeping the data would possibly clash with the agenda of advancement of humanity, regardless of exactly how you understand that term.

@fancando:
On that we can all agree

Miranda is hot and powerful, a perfect mix indeed;).
I kept the cure, to make things interesting in ME3.

[Mox Ruuga]

I just hope that destroying the cure will not prove the "wrong" choice, again. As keeping the Collector Base and genociding the Rachni seem to have been.

It is rather ludicrous that despite all the talk about "dark edginess", the boy scout morality seems to be the "correct" choice in 99% of the cases. I still have hope that letting Balak walk will lead to disaster down the line (possibly balanced by making Kate Bowman accomplish something great), but I haven't got much hope. Balak "having not been caught yet" seems to be about the best outcome Renegades can expect from Bioware's squeamish writing team...

And this isn't a rant condemning Paragons, BTW. I play with both types of Shepards, I just wish the Renegade path wasn't hypocritically the "wrong" choice all the time... This might actually prove a clue why Miranda suddenly agreed with destroying the base. Bioware didn't want her backing the "wrong" choice...  (they really need a facepalm emoticon)

[AresXX7]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

I just hope that destroying the cure will not prove the "wrong" choice, again. As keeping the Collector Base and genociding the Rachni seem to have been.

It is rather ludicrous that despite all the talk about "dark edginess", the boy scout morality seems to be the "correct" choice in 99% of the cases. I still have hope that letting Balak walk will lead to disaster down the line (possibly balanced by making Kate Bowman accomplish something great), but I haven't got much hope. Balak "having not been caught yet" seems to be about the best outcome Renegades can expect from Bioware's squeamish writing team...

And this isn't a rant condemning Paragons, BTW. I play with both types of Shepards, I just wish the Renegade path wasn't hypocritically the "wrong" choice all the time... This might actually prove a clue why Miranda suddenly agreed with destroying the base. Bioware didn't want her backing the "wrong" choice...  (they really need a facepalm emoticon)

Here's a couple you can use  

And, what you said, about Miranda's CB opinion, does hold some merit.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 18 octobre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
I just hope that destroying the cure will not prove the "wrong" choice, again. As keeping the Collector Base and genociding the Rachni seem to have been.

You probably meant "letting the Council die". The Collector base decision hasn't resulted in any outcome yet.

It is rather ludicrous that despite all the talk about "dark edginess", the boy scout morality seems to be the "correct" choice in 99% of the cases. I still have hope that letting Balak walk will lead to disaster down the line (possibly balanced by making Kate Bowman accomplish something great), but I haven't got much hope. Balak "having not been caught yet" seems to be about the best outcome Renegades can expect from Bioware's squeamish writing team...

And this isn't a rant condemning Paragons, BTW. I play with both types of Shepards, I just wish the Renegade path wasn't hypocritically the "wrong" choice all the time... This might actually prove a clue why Miranda suddenly agreed with destroying the base. Bioware didn't want her backing the "wrong" choice...  (they really need a facepalm emoticon)

I always thought so, which makes it all even more annoying, since now I feel that Bioware forces a prescribed morality down my throat.

For the record, all my Shepards but one have more Paragon than Renegade points, it's just that in the big decisions, pragmatism more often outweighs moral concerns, and and it wouldn't be called pragmatism if there wasn't actually an advantage to be had, or in this case a disadvantage to be avoided, from following that path. Realistically. Also, I hate it if a story is one-sided on the side of the conventional.

[Elyvern]

We should make a prediction mini-project, based on all our speculations, arguments for and against, and evidence that's been dribbled to us and how likely certain topics and outcomes will be explored in ME3 about Miranda.

1. I'd say her resignation if you choose to destroy the base is definitely one of them, since that really felt heavy-handed. Even if she doesn't should you keep it, a showdown with Cerberus seems likely, given that Liara as SB is a very good replacement to TIM being Shepard's information machine.

2: Which leads to the possibility that she would become plot-crucial like Liara becoming the SB and thus will not be a part of Shepard's squad. Taking over the Cerberus machine should TIM be dispatched earlier seems like an obvious one. This is one I'm conflicted over, even though I do like the idea that her character involvement would be far more pivotal to the story than just being a swappable grunt in Shepard's team.

3. Romantic conflict with an earlier LI is another given. Although I wonder how much exposure it will be given. 1 confrontation scene where Shepard has to choose and then never addressed again? Sounds like a letdown really.

4. Personally, I feel her infertility issue is another one of those screaming signposts. As bonus material for more character-definition moments, it feels unusually heavy-handed especially when it can actually affect the LI conclusion. 

5. Elaborations about what her father meant by dynasty is another one of those niggling things for me, but to imagine that we would get an elaborated in-game session seems unlikely since ME3 should be about reapers already and not more personal issues. There's also the bias accusation that Miranda cannot be singled out for perferential treatment unless her father is shown to be crucial plot-wise.

Any others I missed out? What are your opinions?

Modifié par Elyvern, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:03 .