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[Pwnisher]

Just finished the Overlord dlc and I think that Miranda would support the objective of the project, but not how the whole operation was executed.

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

I have no interest in Ms. Strahovski as a person or an actress. So I'm afraid fiction does trump reality this once for me.

I'm glad Bioware chose her. Miranda would not be Miranda without Yvonne's voice acting. She really did an amazing work.
Writters are not the only ones who must be thanked for Miranda character quality, Yvonne should be too.

Don't mistake me. She did very well for her debut effort. That doesn't mean I have any interest in her other projects.

I had interest in her before I started to play Mass effect. To me, she just confirmed her talent.

[TheSixthghoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...
Now ,a new Miranda support song. A Visage hit  Fade to Grey www.youtube.com/watch

Aww....I feel old. To think I was actually around and able to appreciate this when it came out.

Anyway, one of my old favorites, but I don't find anything in there I'd associate with Miranda. Why did you select it?

I know, I usually put songs that describe an aspect of Miranda feeling's or relationship with Shepard. Songs like Lovers in the backseat or Cry Little Sister. This time I wanted to describe a level of character depth with song and very original music video.Also,I wanted to avoid any further feeding of the troll,by putting up something else up as a distraction. As an add note it was not the original song, or subject, I was going put. The original song was from Steve Nicks Gold dust Woman. I felt it best describe the end of relationship of Jacob and Miranda and the relationship of The Gray Warden and Morrigan. www.youtube.com/watch

[Caihn]

Pwnisher wrote...

Just finished the Overlord dlc and I think that Miranda would support the objective of the project, but not how the whole operation was executed.

I agree.
But I would like to know what she thinks about TIM's involvment.
I played the dlc after she resign so it's not so important, but I'm curious.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Pwnisher wrote...
Just finished the Overlord dlc and I think that Miranda would support the objective of the project, but not how the whole operation was executed.

I agree.
But I would like to know what she thinks about TIM's involvment.
I played the dlc after she resign so it's not so important, but I'm curious.

I think it is very much desirable to play this before the Collector base if you want Miranda to resign. As I said above, TIM's way of getting things done becomes quite clear, and Miranda is smart enough to spot it immediately. If you can play it after getting Legion, all the better, for then it will be obvious that the whole project is no longer important enough to justify *any* human suffering, to say nothing of what you come to witness here. If you play it before getting Legion, there is some incentive to let it continue if you're Renegade enough.

I don't think Miranda will be able to uphold her claim about "rogue cells" being responsible for Cerberus atrocities any more after seeing this.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juin 2010 - 12:55 .

[TheSixthghoul]

The real question is what will she do now that she can't?

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 17 juin 2010 - 01:28 .

[Caihn]

My paragade shepard is not enough renegade to let this continue.

[jtav]

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.



If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
The real question is what will she do now that she can't?

Obviously, that depends on you: either she'll resign, or retain her association with Cerberus. How comfortable she'll feel with the latter - who knows? I can't see her not caring, though.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

I'll take the easy way out: in those games where I want to keep the base, I'll play Overlord after the Collector base or not at all. I hope we can still make a decision against TIM in ME3.

Apart from that, giving the base to TIM or not has never been the primary decision for me, but always a consequence of the really important one: destroying the base or not. I still can't stomach destroying it easily. However, I'm much more at peace with Miranda's being against keeping it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juin 2010 - 01:55 .

[VampireCommando]

Habelo wrote...

dude... you are a bunch of freaks.

This thread = Miri, the eclipse merc = you




Goddamn it why do i always miss the troll invasions?

But on the bright side i'm back so i can carry on contributing again .

Modifié par VampireCommando, 17 juin 2010 - 03:16 .

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

what disturbed me the most is how TIM said ' you've done the impossiable you've accuired the collector base'

To me this felt like a major kick in the balls, it was obvious that just capturing the tech was TIM goal from the start, he didnt care what happened there or about anything else other than the power of the tech inside it, to me it seemed like a huge betrayal of my shep and my team, that is why i have sworn to myself never to give TIM the base, i knew i couldn't bloody trust him.

[Ieldra]

VampireCommando wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

what disturbed me the most is how TIM said ' you've done the impossiable you've accuired the collector base'

To me this felt like a major kick in the balls, it was obvious that just capturing the tech was TIM goal from the start, he didnt care what happened there or about anything else other than the power of the tech inside it, to me it seemed like a huge betrayal of my shep and my team, that is why i have sworn to myself never to give TIM the base, i knew i couldn't bloody trust him.

And the possibility that an intact base might actually contain something that helps against the Reapers deserves no consideration? Several of my Shepards would say that you're taking things too personally at this point, and that TIM's goal of acquiring the base doesn't matter so much in the light of the millions of human saved from a fate worse than death by your mission. As bad is it sounds, it's possible TIM is still the lesser evil for some time to come. Not that I feel comfortable about it, but decisions this big shouldn't be based on a feeling of betrayal.

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

what disturbed me the most is how TIM said ' you've done the impossiable you've accuired the collector base'

To me this felt like a major kick in the balls, it was obvious that just capturing the tech was TIM goal from the start, he didnt care what happened there or about anything else other than the power of the tech inside it, to me it seemed like a huge betrayal of my shep and my team, that is why i have sworn to myself never to give TIM the base, i knew i couldn't bloody trust him.

And the possibility that an intact base might actually contain something that helps against the Reapers deserves no consideration? Several of my Shepards would say that you're taking things too personally at this point, and that TIM's goal of acquiring the base doesn't matter so much in the light of the millions of human saved from a fate worse than death by your mission. As bad is it sounds, it's possible TIM is still the lesser evil for some time to come. Not that I feel comfortable about it, but decisions this big shouldn't be based on a feeling of betrayal.

See tech or not i feel that even after the war with the reapers is over TIM wont just discard that base he'll use it for sinister needs i just can't risk it its just me and my morals though, like Shepard says. i wont let fear comprimise who i am, we'll fight and win without it, and i belive that through and through.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

what disturbed me the most is how TIM said ' you've done the impossiable you've accuired the collector base'

To me this felt like a major kick in the balls, it was obvious that just capturing the tech was TIM goal from the start, he didnt care what happened there or about anything else other than the power of the tech inside it, to me it seemed like a huge betrayal of my shep and my team, that is why i have sworn to myself never to give TIM the base, i knew i couldn't bloody trust him.

And the possibility that an intact base might actually contain something that helps against the Reapers deserves no consideration? Several of my Shepards would say that you're taking things too personally at this point, and that TIM's goal of acquiring the base doesn't matter so much in the light of the millions of human saved from a fate worse than death by your mission. As bad is it sounds, it's possible TIM is still the lesser evil for some time to come. Not that I feel comfortable about it, but decisions this big shouldn't be based on a feeling of betrayal.

If TIM was not in charge, maybe I would consider keeping the base (I say maybe because I think I would be like Miranda : to me, it would seem like a betrayal too).
But with TIM in charge, it's impossible to even think about it. This man can't be trusted, let him play with his new toy would be irresponsible. Even if there is something to use against the reapers.

[VampireCommando]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think that I can stomach getting the base to TIM anymore. I got a little sick just reading the synopsis. Now she has to resign in my games. Staying after learning about that would push her over the Moral Event Horizon for me.

If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off for the rest of the day. I have a story to finish.

what disturbed me the most is how TIM said ' you've done the impossiable you've accuired the collector base'

To me this felt like a major kick in the balls, it was obvious that just capturing the tech was TIM goal from the start, he didnt care what happened there or about anything else other than the power of the tech inside it, to me it seemed like a huge betrayal of my shep and my team, that is why i have sworn to myself never to give TIM the base, i knew i couldn't bloody trust him.

And the possibility that an intact base might actually contain something that helps against the Reapers deserves no consideration? Several of my Shepards would say that you're taking things too personally at this point, and that TIM's goal of acquiring the base doesn't matter so much in the light of the millions of human saved from a fate worse than death by your mission. As bad is it sounds, it's possible TIM is still the lesser evil for some time to come. Not that I feel comfortable about it, but decisions this big shouldn't be based on a feeling of betrayal.

If TIM was not in charge, maybe I would consider keeping the base (I say maybe because I think I would be like Miranda : to me, it would seem like a betrayal too).
But with TIM in charge, it's impossible to even think about it. This man can't be trusted, let him play with his new toy would be irresponsible. Even if there is something to use against the reapers.

QFT

[Ieldra]

@VampireCommando, Yannkee:
I take it you're aware of the fact that you're essentially making a Honor Before Reason decision on behalf of all humanity, with the intelligent life in the galaxy as your  stakes?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juin 2010 - 04:45 .

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@VampireCommando, Yannkee:
I take it you're aware of the fact that you're essentially making a Honor Before Reason decision on behalf of all humanity, with the intelligent life in the galaxy as your  stakes?

Oh yeah, am i'm gonna win, no two ways about it i am gonna win.

[Ieldra]

VampireCommando wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@VampireCommando, Yannkee:
I take it you're aware of the fact that you're essentially making a Honor Before Reason decision on behalf of all humanity, with the intelligent life in the galaxy as your  stakes?

Oh yeah, am i'm gonna win, no two ways about it i am gonna win.

Of course you are. But while you do know that, your Shepards don't.

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@VampireCommando, Yannkee:
I take it you're aware of the fact that you're essentially making a Honor Before Reason decision on behalf of all humanity, with the intelligent life in the galaxy as your  stakes?

Oh yeah, am i'm gonna win, no two ways about it i am gonna win.

Of course you are. But while you do know that, your Shepards don't.

Shhh your ruining my fun:P.

[jtav]

Popping in for a sec. Honor Before Reason always was a favorite trope of mine. Then again, I always did enjoy playing paladins in D&D. The game doesn't draw the line in the same place that I do, but I do lean towards the deontological in ethics, though motivein circumstances do matter. There are certain acts that are simply Not Done, regardless of what the consequences may be. I see no good reason not to keep the base for study if indoctrination can be avoided, but I cannot see my way to giving the base to Cerberus. Since my only choices are to hand it over or destroy it, then I choose to destroy it. I'm willing to risk the galaxy for that.

[mass_zotz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Added mass_zotz's Miranda/Cerberus wallpaper to the OP. Very nice style, though the N7 logo shouldn't be there.

mass_zotz, if you read this, can you tell me if you made this wallpaper yourself or found it somewhere? I don't wrong to put wrong credits into the OP.

No I did not make the pic. I'm trying to make a bigger version with the cerberus, but that will be a while.

[mass_zotz]

I always might change my mind but at the moment to me, saving the base some how feels wrong. The main problem is that I don't know what TIM wants to use the base for exactly, so it makes hard to choose but his history kinda points to something that is not gonna go well.

[Andaius20]

Ha I love that pic!



Also how's it going Mirimancers?

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@VampireCommando, Yannkee:
I take it you're aware of the fact that you're essentially making a Honor Before Reason decision on behalf of all humanity, with the intelligent life in the galaxy as your  stakes?

No, I think both are reasonable decisions.
We take the risks of keeping or destroying the base into consideration. And until ME3 nobody can say wich one is more risky.

Modifié par Yannkee, 17 juin 2010 - 06:15 .