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[AntenDS]

Ieldra2 wrote...
That idea is older than LotSB by quite a few months - when LotSB appeared, it was almost as if the Bioware had stolen our idea and adapted it to Liara. Also, it's plausible that Miranda has training in management, being the daughter of a wealthy businessman who underwent a rigorous education programme at her father's hands  *and* leader of a Cerberus cell (which is more than just a science team). She also has the operative skillset.

She ran a Cerberus cell which is a Cog in the great Cerberus machine.  She wouldn't be able to just fill TIMs shoes by a coup.   She is great but who knowns how she compares to other cell operatives and it isn't known how much clearance she has.

[tommyt_1994]

Hey fellow Miri fan here, she's one of my favorite squadmate's/LI's and I really appreciate her character.

So I've been lurking here, and noticed that many of you said you destroyed the collector base when discussing Miranda's thoughts about the base. (add me to the "it's OOC" list but I can rationalize it with her making a mistake and being overcome with emotion in regards to seeing people turned into reaper-slurpies) Do many of you dislike Cerberus? And does that interfere with you romancing her?

I ask because I like Miranda's pragmatic side, though I do believe that TIM kept her away from Cerberus' darker experiments. I think her Pro-Cerberus side is interesting, especially considered to my Shepard who romances her. He's the type who knows that the mission always comes first, (much like Miranda) but despises the horrific experiments Cerberus performs. But I don't think Miranda supports those darker projects.

PS: Anyone know of some nice lighthearted Miri fanfic? Eh I guess it's a flaw of mine I normally like my fanfic like that. Besides your fic Ieldra, it's great. Can't wait for the next chapter.

Well I started going through some of the ones in the OP when I thought I found a nice lighthearted fic but quickly took a turn for the worse and left a foul taste in my mouth . Really couldn't have ended any more depressingly.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 19 octobre 2010 - 02:46 .

[Alessar]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hey fellow Miri fan here, she's either my favorite or second favorite squadmate/LI and I really appreciate her character. (I can't decide between her and Tali to be honest, yes I actually just said that and meant it)

So I've been lurking here, and noticed that many of you said you destroyed the collector base when discussing Miranda's thoughts about the base. (add me to the "it's OOC" list but I can rationalize it with her making a mistake and being overcome with emotion in regards to seeing people turned into reaper-slurpies) Do many of you dislike Cerberus? And does that interfere with you romancing her?

I ask because I like Miranda's pragmatic side, though I do believe that TIM kept her away from Cerberus' darker experiments. I think her Pro-Cerberus side is interesting, especially considered to my Shepard who romances her. He's the type who knows that the mission always comes first, (much like Miranda) but despises the horrific experiments Cerberus performs. But I don't think Miranda supports those darker projects.

PS: Anyone know of some nice lighthearted Miri fanfic? Eh I guess it's a flaw of mine I normally like my fanfic like that. Excluding your fan fice Ieldra, it's great. Can't wait for the next chapter.

Well I started going through some of the ones in the OP when I thought I found a nice lighthearted fic but quickly took a turn for the worse and left a foul taste in my mouth . Really couldn't have ended any more depressingly.

I like the characters that are emphasized from Cerberus, I mean they do a lot of things I wouldn't approve of, but then again I'm sure other species do the same or have groups that do what Cerberus does.

As much as people complain about TIM, look at what happened to the Krogan after helping the council, got neutered when they got out of hand. Who's to say if we don't keep up technologically they won't do the same to us?

At the same time though, the collector base, even as a war vet, is something that my Shep would be apalled by.
Like you stated sometimes even the most intelligent of people let their emotions get the better of them, which is how I roleplay it when I do decide to destroy it.

[jtav]

I despise Cerberus and think they're a necessary evil at best. The mixture of pragmatism and idealism Miranda has intrigues me. She really does want to help humanity but is quite willing to sacrifice individual humans when called for. She just needs to find an organization worthy of her. I think it's extremely satisfying to see her resign. Cerberus' true face seems to be more Overlord than Lazarus. She almost has to leave them, dramatically speaking, because she's better than they are and a truer embodiment of the advancement of humanity. Her loyalties have never affected my opinion of the romance, other than wishing they'd done more with what could have been a fantastic source of conflict.

[AresXX7]

Let me start, by saying,  I had the 'misfortune' of playing ME2 before ME1 first (took a break from video-games prior to ME1's release & the buzz flew under my radar - at the time) But, the only thing wrong with it was that I didn't feel connected to the overall storyline, not the characters. I fixed that problem by getting the first game.

However, one of the key factors, that caught my attention about ME2, was the character of Miranda. I saw a special, on Spike TV, about the game & was intrigued by what was shown & described about her. I can't say I was disappointed either. And yes, the rest of the game was just as strong of a factor too. (can't enjoy a game based on one character alone)

I tend to view Cerberus as a tool, first & foremost, since the game doesn't allow us any other path (to continue without their 'assistance'). But I would never willingly join them. (my main Shep is a sole survivor - 'nuff said.)

I've always chosen Miranda as a LI, except twice - stayed loyal to Ash on one play-through & played as a FemShep on the other. I prefer female characters who are smart, strong-willed, and self-sufficient. As for her opinion of the CB, I can't really say it's too OOC, a person can only accept so much. 

As for my view(s), on Cerberus, I've never felt they interferred with romancing Miranda, since she's never struck me as the type to become involved with any of the 'darker' experiments Cerberus is infamous for. (i.e. Akuze, Overloard, Teltin) Although, I must say, I am eagerly awaiting the next chapter to jtav's fanfic "Be All Our Sins Remembered". I wouldn't catagorize it as light-hearted, but it is definenately intriguing, well-written & has a good backdrop to it. IMO

Wish I could give you a good light-hearted one, but I haven't read any thus far.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 19 octobre 2010 - 02:52 .

[hooahguy]

I must agree, "Be All Our Sins Remembered" is probably the best facfic for Miri out there, great job jtav!

@Aries: There is that, um, fan fic about a femshep and Miri, but its more erotica than anything else, IMO.

[Mox Ruuga]

Whatever happens, I'm fairly sure we WON'T start with the old squad. This will be another stand alone game, and Bioware will want to build up the story for the noobs, rather than dump too much history from the past games on them all at once.

Rather, I bet it'll be a similar start as in the past two "episodes":

- A tutorial sequence, which has Shepard meet up with the first two squaddies of the game (and the sacrificial offering, see Wilson/Jenkins, who dies quickly). These two squaddies will be the Human Male lead (see Kaidan/Jacob, also an LI) and the Human Female lead (see Ashley/Miranda, also an LI). The Human Female lead will be the new "cover girl" of the game, along with the Cool Alien male (see Garrus/Thane, we'll meet him later in the game).

- After the tutorial, which could be anything from Shepard's first mission working for a new backer to escaping the prison of the Big Bad of the game, where s/he has been held for months, we will start the free roaming part of the game. This includes getting our ship, which might or might not be the SR2. I'm fairly sure we'll be working for some new group. My best guess is that it's some sort covert anti-Reaper initiative, not (fully) sanctioned by the Council, but containing many of the best and most able people in the Galaxy. Anderson naturally will be there. Perhaps people like Mordin and even Miranda as well?

- During the free roaming, which is the main plot (I won't start speculating on that here), we will meet up with various old and new squaddies. The new ones will join us, hell, we might meet up with them very quickly like we did in ME1. The old ones will not, since due to the time jump between the games, they will have stuff to do, places to go, people to kill, etc. Some of the potential reasons/excuses we've already seen: Liara is the Shadow Broker, Tali might become an admiral, Garrus "needs to move on from under Shep's wing", Clan Urdnot needs Grunt, Thane wants to spend his last months with his son, Samara is off bringing justice to whatever place (perhaps she's Omega's new Archangel?), Zaeed will have retired (or is still seeking Vido), etc.

- Some of them will join up with us for that One Final Time, but sadly, not all. I'm willing to bet we'll get additional "One Last Time" mission opportunities with DLC, however. The most popular ones and those with the greatest potential for story hooks will get their missions in the main game. The bonus of this approach is the potential for squaddie interaction, naturallly. If this is what happens, I'm willing to bet Miranda has a good chance to be important enough to receive her chance to shine in the main game proper, whereas people like Zaeed or Samara or even Jack will get their "missions" in DLC.

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
Whatever happens, I'm fairly sure we WON'T start with the old squad. This will be another stand alone game, and Bioware will want to build up the story for the noobs, rather than dump too much history from the past games on them all at once.

You paint an extremely depressing picture. Recall that according to Bioware's own statistics, 50% of all ME2 games started with an imported Shepard? That's quite a bit more than they expected, as I understand.

If there's ONE thing I do not want, it's an all new cast, and I think that has been echoed so much here that I don't think Bioware will do as they did in ME2 yet again. Could we please stop painting these depressing pictures?

[hooahguy]

Another picture, I embellished it with a heart. =)

Sorry for the bad quality, for some reason my pics turn out this way even though Im running ME2 at highest settings.

[Mox Ruuga]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You paint an extremely depressing picture. Recall that according to Bioware's own statistics, 50% of all ME2 games started with an imported Shepard? That's quite a bit more than they expected, as I understand.

If there's ONE thing I do not want, it's an all new cast, and I think that has been echoed so much here that I don't think Bioware will do as they did in ME2 yet again. Could we please stop painting these depressing pictures?

Hell, this isn't the "How ME3 will start thread" anyway.

In any case, back to Miranda.

If Bioware ends up releasing another alternate appearance pack, do you hope Miranda will get a new costume? Personally, I do. And something resembling actual armor this time. Without heels. With a helmet, if at all possible.

It's too bad that they didn't implement a "in mission" and "on ship" looks for the squaddies. Miranda's sexeh jumpsuits are fine for lounging in her office, but it doesn't help her to be taken seriously to see her slink around in it when bullets and missiles are flying around. I still wonder why Bioware had to go for the cheesy super hero comicbook aesthetics after the more serious ME1 look? I hope they move away from the titillation and cheese for ME3...

[hooahguy]

To start another topic, during the final phase of the CB boss battle, when one of your teammates is sliding down, what determines who is the one sliding down? As you can see above, I brough Miri and Legion, and Legion was the one to slide down, which surprise me because before it was Miri (my first playthrough) and Tali for the next one (not sure why I brought her).

[Alessar]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

You paint an extremely depressing picture. Recall that according to Bioware's own statistics, 50% of all ME2 games started with an imported Shepard? That's quite a bit more than they expected, as I understand.

If there's ONE thing I do not want, it's an all new cast, and I think that has been echoed so much here that I don't think Bioware will do as they did in ME2 yet again. Could we please stop painting these depressing pictures?

Hell, this isn't the "How ME3 will start thread" anyway.

In any case, back to Miranda.

If Bioware ends up releasing another alternate appearance pack, do you hope Miranda will get a new costume? Personally, I do. And something resembling actual armor this time. Without heels. With a helmet, if at all possible.

It's too bad that they didn't implement a "in mission" and "on ship" looks for the squaddies. Miranda's sexeh jumpsuits are fine for lounging in her office, but it doesn't help her to be taken seriously to see her slink around in it when bullets and missiles are flying around. I still wonder why Bioware had to go for the cheesy super hero comicbook aesthetics after the more serious ME1 look? I hope they move away from the titillation and cheese for ME3...

I'd like an armor  variation, I just don't like the helm being on at all times during missions specially during cutscenes when you don't need it.

[Mox Ruuga]

Alessar wrote...

I'd like an armor  variation, I just don't like the helm being on at all times during missions specially during cutscenes when you don't need it.

Nah, the helmet would be during the "hostile environment" sequences. I hate to see squaddies wearing those flimsy little breathing masks, while Shepard has a fully sealed hard suit. Even Grunt has his arms bared... Lazy goddamn Bioware. I hope they go for plausibility in the next game over the whims of some artist.

[fongiel24]

hooahguy wrote...

To start another topic, during the final phase of the CB boss battle, when one of your teammates is sliding down, what determines who is the one sliding down? As you can see above, I brough Miri and Legion, and Legion was the one to slide down, which surprise me because before it was Miri (my first playthrough) and Tali for the next one (not sure why I brought her).

If you're looking at the character icons on the bottom of the screen, Shepard grabs the character on the left. You can make sure Shepard grabs Miranda's hand by selecting her first. (PC version)

You'll be able to tell if you got the order you wanted before the terminator boss fight because the character that hands you the arming mechanism for the bomb will be the one Shepard saves.

[hooahguy]

Mox Ruuga wrote...


In any case, back to Miranda.

If Bioware ends up releasing another alternate appearance pack, do you hope Miranda will get a new costume? Personally, I do. And something resembling actual armor this time. Without heels. With a helmet, if at all possible.

It's too bad that they didn't implement a "in mission" and "on ship" looks for the squaddies. Miranda's sexeh jumpsuits are fine for lounging in her office, but it doesn't help her to be taken seriously to see her slink around in it when bullets and missiles are flying around. I still wonder why Bioware had to go for the cheesy super hero comicbook aesthetics after the more serious ME1 look? I hope they move away from the titillation and cheese for ME3...

First off, Id love an AAP for Miri.
Second, watch the first episode of Chuck. Yvonne Strahovski, who Miri is modeled after, is wearing similar boots and she runs very well in those boots, even through rough terrain, so I think it makes sense for Miri to be wearing those boots. Plus shes sexier that way.
Some more armor would be nice, it does make more sense, but one can say that she relies on speed and agility in combat, not armor. Shes like special forces members in real life. Usually SF go with very light armor to enhance their speed and agility. Same with Miri.

[Mox Ruuga]

fongiel24 wrote...

If you're looking at the character icons on the bottom of the screen, Shepard grabs the character on the left. You can make sure Shepard grabs Miranda's hand by selecting her first. (PC version)

You'll be able to tell if you got the order you wanted before the terminator boss fight because the character that hands you the arming mechanism for the bomb will be the one Shepard saves.

Note though, that if you have to reload, at least on PC, the order of the two squaddies can inexplicably change.

[Mox Ruuga]

hooahguy wrote...

First off, Id love an AAP for Miri.
Second, watch the first episode of Chuck. Yvonne Strahovski, who Miri is modeled after, is wearing similar boots and she runs very well in those boots, even through rough terrain, so I think it makes sense for Miri to be wearing those boots. Plus shes sexier that way.
Some more armor would be nice, it does make more sense, but one can say that she relies on speed and agility in combat, not armor. Shes like special forces members in real life. Usually SF go with very light armor to enhance their speed and agility. Same with Miri.

That's a tv show.

They can edit out her stumbling. Believe me, no woman going to combat in RL will want to teeter and balance on high heels. Besides, Liara and Ash were plenty sexy enough in ME1 without high heels. Same goes for Kasumi in ME2. Patrick Weekes specifically mentioned they had designed Ashley so she wasn't "cheesed up". So why the step back with Miranda?

And special forces can actually be heavily armored, believe you me, if the situation warrants it. When they are storming a fortified building, for example.

All the "ninja" skills in the world won't allow you to dodge a bullet. Or protect you from shrapnel. Or extreme heat. Or toxic gas. Or biotic blasts. Or Varren bites or Krogan body slams. Or the goddamn vacuum. Miranda is smart, let her display that on the battlefield as well. Bioware's art design let her character down, and made it easy for people dismiss her as a bimbo. The same goes for Samara, but due to the usual double standard between human and alien squaddies, she doesn't get nearly as much flack for her equally ridiculous battlefield attire. "But its her culture!" says them. "Horse s#!t!" says I.

[fongiel24]

hooahguy wrote...

First off, Id love an AAP for Miri.
Second, watch the first episode of Chuck. Yvonne Strahovski, who Miri is modeled after, is wearing similar boots and she runs very well in those boots, even through rough terrain, so I think it makes sense for Miri to be wearing those boots. Plus shes sexier that way.
Some more armor would be nice, it does make more sense, but one can say that she relies on speed and agility in combat, not armor. Shes like special forces members in real life. Usually SF go with very light armor to enhance their speed and agility. Same with Miri.

But IRL, body armour is still very iffy about actually stopping bullets and shrapnel. Mass Effect's kinetic barriers are 100% effective at stopping physical attacks until they're depleted.

I don't know why I'm arguing this though, because I much preferred ME2's armour style over ME1's where everybody looked the same. The ideal would be for each character to get a unique combat uniform and a casual uniform, but in the absence of this option, I'd take the ME2 option over ME1 any day.

[hooahguy]

When I say SF i mean like the ones in Afghanistan and other places like that(Medal of Honor variety).

For all we know, Miris suit could be some sort of super material that can block bullets and stuff.

[fongiel24]

hooahguy wrote...

When I say SF i mean like the ones in Afghanistan and other places like that(Medal of Honor variety).
For all we know, Miris suit could be some sort of super material that can block bullets and stuff.

Well the point I'm trying to make is that when the SEALs, Delta, SAS, etc. sacrifice protection for speed, it's a very different trade off from Miranda sacrificing protection for speed because real body armour is very heavy and uncomfortable yet doesn't provide 100% guaranteed protection while ME body armour does seem to provide 100% guaranteed protection without seeming too encumbering.

The material Miranda's jumpsuits are made of is probably more durable than it looks, but I doubt it can stop mass accelerated rounds. Once Miranda's shields are down, she has to find cover or end up getting shredded.

[hooahguy]

I see your point.

But now I wonder why BW didnt do what they did in ME1 and have casual and combat armor for human squad mates.

[Mox Ruuga]

hooahguy wrote...

I see your point.
But now I wonder why BW didnt do what they did in ME1 and have casual and combat armor for human squad mates.

I wonder that as well...

But the most likely answer just depresses me.

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

hooahguy wrote...

I see your point.
But now I wonder why BW didnt do what they did in ME1 and have casual and combat armor for human squad mates.

I wonder that as well...

But the most likely answer just depresses me.

(1) They wanted a more individual appearance
(2) Overuse of the Rule of Sexy
(3) They didn't want to spend the resources.

Possibly a combination of the three, since having Miranda run around in her standard outfit all the time was probably considered more sexy and was definitely cheaper than adding armor, and it sets her off more strikingly against other characters.

Which of these would you find depressing? I find (2) annoying if used to a degree that breaks suspension of disbelief.

[Alessar]

I'll go with 2, just look at Samarra.

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Which of these would you find depressing?

All three.

I'd rather my team to actually look like a team.