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[fortunesque]

jtav wrote...

Same here. The camera angles embarrass me. An officer's uniform. Proper armor. Throw me a bone here.

And nice to see another Kaidan fan.

Yeah, Miranda was my ME2 Morrigan. I started out hating her in the beginning and ended up loving the crap out of her. I'm even going to attempt a Miranda cosplay next year if I can.

There's some very interesting facets to her character and I'm glad that I explored them 

[enayasoul]

I was surprised she didn't get a new outfit that says something about her and her character. I really like both Jack and Thane's new outfits. I have no problems with her white one or the black. I just think the black was well too black.

[fortunesque]

Since I'm inclined to play dress up:



I want to see Miranda in a floor length navy blue evening gown. It'd look so awesome on her :3

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
None of it should fall back on Miranda anyway. She, or her real-world equivalent, has full human dignity regardless of how she was created. The sin is all her father's.

Hmm. I should add that I don't think you can hold anyone accountable for his motives alone. Had he treated Miranda like a loved daughter, it wouldn't have mattered why he created her, except maybe to him in his own mind. I'd still find it creepy, but I'd not see any reason to morally condemn him.

Now if only she believed she had that intrinsic dignity.

Another point on the wishlist: we'd like to see her come to terms with her origin and exorcize the ghost of her father she's carrying around in her mind. Anyone disagree?

[fortunesque]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Another point on the wishlist: we'd like to see her come to terms with her origin and exorcize the ghost of her father she's carrying around in her mind. Anyone disagree?

I really want to see this happen. Though Miranda carries herself with a lot of dignity, she seems to have a very poor self-esteem. 

Honestly, this isn't something that a loyalty quest can fix. I think the best solution would be having a friendship/romance dialog path that helps talk with her about what she's feeling. 

[jtav]

fortunesque wrote...

Since I'm inclined to play dress up:

I want to see Miranda in a floor length navy blue evening gown. It'd look so awesome on her :3

*visualizes* Okay, I think I know how I want to dress Miranda in my fic now. Thanks! And I swear, some day I'll get around to writing Miranda/Kaidan too. Not enough hours in the day. *grubles*

Ieldra, I suspect this is where our differing ethical systems clash. His intent matters to me, though obviously, even the pretense of love would be better than what she got.

[Ieldra]

fortunesque wrote...
Oh, I really hope they get rid of the camera angles on Miranda in ME3. She's a classy lady and I hate that she's just a piece of ass to some people.

this x100!

What do you all think about an outfit change for her? I'd love to see something less erm... revealing. Perhaps an officer's uniform? She'd probably make a paper bag look good XD

I'd like to see three different outfits:
(1) An in-mission outfit that looks as if it protects somewhat. Can be close-fitting but shouldn't look as if painted on her body. Liara's LotSB outfit is a good example, but "no exposed skin in space" is a must!
(2) A regular civilian outfit that looks like she could go shopping somewhere in it. Can surely be sexy and slightly revealing, but in a subtle, non-aggressive way.
(3) A dress for special occasions. She'd look great in a long green-and-silver evening dress. Can also be sexy, but in a classy way.

I think an officer's uniform would look great on her, but I don't think she'd like it.

[Caihn]

A beautiful Miranda fanart found on DeviantArt :




http://layerx3.devia...awson-183450299

[tommyt_1994]

^ Wow...that's fantastic. One of the best I've seen so far without a doubt. 2 thumbs up :happy:

[Mox Ruuga]

That's a nice pic!

[Andysilv]

Wow, that fanart is fantastic! Nice to see the Miri love is still going strong and that we're still seeing new pieces of art after all this time. =)

[hooahguy]

Wow, that looks just like Yvonne just with Miris outfit and her hair!

I approve!

[fongiel24]

Is anybody else familiar with Juno Eclipse from the Force Unleashed? I think an outfit similar to hers would have been appropriate for Miranda (minus the cap of course).







It's more practical, looks professional, yet still has a hint of sexiness to it.

[enayasoul]

fongiel24 wrote...

Is anybody else familiar with Juno Eclipse from the Force Unleashed? I think an outfit similar to hers would have been appropriate for Miranda (minus the cap of course).



It's more practical, looks professional, yet still has a hint of sexiness to it.

I like this look.

[enayasoul]

I recently been playing around with the text mods and the look of Miranda's bed. Actually, this was a goof but thought it looked better than red and black lines. Miranda actually looks good in pink. I will have to experiment with different color outfits. Red and Black works nicely.

[jtav]

The second chapter of Persistence of Memory is up for those interested.

Summary: Liara has information critical to restoring Shepard. Miranda will do anything to get it. She'll even teach Liara how not to get killed. Facing her own past-and her attraction to Liara-was never part of the bargain.(Miranda/Liara)

Modifié par jtav, 22 octobre 2010 - 02:00 .

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

The second chapter of Persistence of Memory is up for those interested.

Summary: Liara has information critical to restoring Shepard. Miranda will do anything to get it. She'll even teach Liara how not to get killed. Facing her own past-and her attraction to Liara-was never part of the bargain.(Miranda/Liara)

Enjoyed reading it.   Very well written and believable.

[Arijharn]

 So, providing you kept the base (come on, Ieldra and I can't be the only ones) how many of you do you think it would be Miranda that TIM puts in charge to studying it to unlock it's potential myriad of secrets?

Myriad... I like that word, I don't get to use it nearly enough though. That and 'alas.' I digress (which is also an awesome word!... Alas)

[hooahguy]

fongiel24 wrote...

Is anybody else familiar with Juno Eclipse from the Force Unleashed? I think an outfit similar to hers would have been appropriate for Miranda (minus the cap of course).



It's more practical, looks professional, yet still has a hint of sexiness to it.

Or we could just make things simple and have Miri wear what Sarah Walker wears:

[fongiel24]

Arijharn wrote...

 So, providing you kept the base (come on, Ieldra and I can't be the only ones) how many of you do you think it would be Miranda that TIM puts in charge to studying it to unlock it's potential myriad of secrets?

Myriad... I like that word, I don't get to use it nearly enough though. That and 'alas.' I digress (which is also an awesome word!... Alas)

Very unlikely. We can see in Miranda's reactions to Cerberus' "messier" projects that she doesn't get exposed to this kind of stuff on a regular basis. TIM likely doesn't put Miranda in charge of projects like Teltin very often unless there's no alternative because she has a bit of idealism in her, despite what she may claim. TIM wouldn't want someone like Mirana in charge of playing with the Collector base, he'd want someone more willing to get their hands dirty and more... expendable.

[Axestone]

The author - a real talent. It is charmingly...

[Mox Ruuga]

jtav wrote...

The second chapter of Persistence of Memory is up for those interested.

Summary: Liara has information critical to restoring Shepard. Miranda will do anything to get it. She'll even teach Liara how not to get killed. Facing her own past-and her attraction to Liara-was never part of the bargain.(Miranda/Liara)

Great chapter.

You really seem to get both characters. Or at least, your vision of them corresponds with my own.

You also provide the missing link here, an explanation on just how was the shy archeologist who didn't like dealing with people become one of the most powerful information brokers on a world like Ilium, in just two years.

And I continue to like the interaction between the two women. I'm starting to really like this pairing.

Kudos!

[Elyvern]

aeetos21 wrote...
But those feelings are natural, if not entirely healthy, and honestly (and this really says a LOT about Miranda/Shepard relationship) it's the same kind of baggage real life adults have to deal in real life adult relationships. This is one of the biggest reasons I'm for this ship because it adds more depth that just isn't there in some of the other ships: Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Kaiden, and Jack specifically. In those it's less of a relationship and more of Shepard taking the lead with them behing and supporting them instead of walking beside, which is great for a friendshup but for long term consummate relationship? I think having someone who gives as good as they get should be the ideal but that's just me.

I think it's a good point you make here. Most people in an adult relationship may have problems accepting that their significant other may have had intimate relationships with other people previously, but reconciling to such distasteful notions is indeed part and parcel of making a relationship work.

I recall on my first playthrough as a maleshep when talking to Jacob and he gets all surly whenever the topic of Miranda cropped up. And because I had my mind set on romancing her already, I kept wondering is this guy gonna be a problem? His line "she requires a better man than I" among alot of other things, felt like tacit approval for malesheps to go ahead. Although I understand if a femshep romances Jacob, there are actually more dialogue options on Miranda, and if femshep pushes the conversation, it serves as a breaking point for that particular romance. It's terrible really, how the writers seem to want to sabotage Jacob's relationship chances by portraying him as someone who can't move on. 

So for me, you're definitely right in that adding the facet of Miranda's relationship with Jacob rearing its head added depth to the romance. The only fault I have is, portraying Jacob as competition for her affections fails badly. In Miranda's drive for excellence and competence, in so far as a relationship where both parties respect each other on the same level, I really can't see Jacob arriving at any of those points at all. Mox's observation that Miranda's attitude towards Jacob is mostly wry and condescending seems to reinforce that Miranda herself recognises this-- that whatever their relationship was and is now, she will always see him as subordinate (this is not a slur on Miranda, people can't help being who they are and how they feel, and I'm fine with her feeling that way).

She's an Alpha female of the highest order with a strong tendency to lead and dominate, and only an Alpha male like Shepard stands a chance of holding his ground with her. Mutual growth and development can only come about if both parties are evenly matched, not with one party that constantly gives way in a relationship. It's also why I would find it really distasteful if she chooses to go back to Jacob if there's no maleshep in her life at the end of ME3. It literally means she's willing to settle for less than the best just for the sake of having companionship. 

Modifié par Elyvern, 22 octobre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Caihn]

And an another one :



http://lachlan-walde...awson-183491266

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

Stupid typos.

Ieldra, I'm afraid I'll come off like a raving lunatic, but it's mostly the idea that a mother is unnecessary that bothers me, along with the complete divorce of the sex and reproduction, even above and beyond IVF. Less controversially, Lawson was never interested in a family but in creating something in his own image to feed his own ego. It's not what children are for. Even granting his methods, the motive corrupts the whole thing.

I agree with you jtav, I find the complete divorce of sex and reproduction uncomfortable. This has nothing to do with my religions tendencies, since I have none, but it completely trivialises key biological imperatives since in an adult human, sexual differences and tendencies actually dictate a large part of our behaviour consciously or unconsciously. 

fortunesque wrote...

I really want to see this happen. Though Miranda carries herself with a lot of dignity, she seems to have a very poor self-esteem. 

I agree with Miranda needing some sort of reconciliation with the terms of her origins, but invariably I get very irritated when people say she has poor self-esteem. What insecurities she harbours about her abilities and competence only comes into light when conversing with Shepard, who has a strong case made out for him in that you don't need to be designed to do the impossible. Miranda will not have such issues talking to other members of the crew.

As a player we have to always keep in mind that all our information is filtered through Shepard, and people talking to Shepard bring along with their perceptions of who Shepard is when conversing with him. Anyone would feel inadequate talking to a Marty Stu like him, but they would accept that they cannot be who he is and thus it doesn't become an issue. 

Miranda is the only human squadmate seen to have an active problem with this because she's always working to become the kind of figure Shepard is. I'd say that puts her sense of self esteem far higher than ordinary people. She's only made to feel inadequate because of the insane expectations she places on herself, and and her attempt to compare herself to Shepard who literally falls into the top 0.001 percentile of the human population. 

Modifié par Elyvern, 22 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .