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hooahguy

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Funny. I dont see any difference between the default settings and the custom settings Yannkee posted. What am I doing wrong?

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hooahguy wrote...
Funny. I dont see any difference between the default settings and the custom settings Yannkee posted. What am I doing wrong?

Yannkee's settings are suited for brighter areas or scenes where character's faces are brightly lit - as in most dialogue scenes. There you'll see some improvement. In darker areas they're not so good since the characters' faces lose contrast and are darker than usual, for instance in the first dialogue scene in Miranda's loyalty mission. To see if you've done it right, look at the floor - you'll notice the absence of dynamic shadows.
Also, in the prologue they have extra settings that bleach things a bit. Yannkee's settings will probably make that area look worse.

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hooahguy wrote...

Funny. I dont see any difference between the default settings and the custom settings Yannkee posted. What am I doing wrong?


You should see a difference :

Default settings :

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Custom Settings :

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Yannkee wrote...

hooahguy wrote...

Funny. I dont see any difference between the default settings and the custom settings Yannkee posted. What am I doing wrong?


You should see a difference :

Default settings :

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Custom Settings :

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Wow miri looks really beautifull in those pics:wub:

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Aedan1992 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

hooahguy wrote...

Funny. I dont see any difference between the default settings and the custom settings Yannkee posted. What am I doing wrong?


You should see a difference :

Default settings :

Custom Settings :

Wow miri looks really beautifull in those pics:wub:


When does she not?Posted Image

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 I must say that the Illium sunset lighting makes Miranda even more beautiful.

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She's...really red. I'm fond of her as she appears in the aftermath of Lazarus Station, her loyalty mission briefing, and a few other places. I'd like to see her on Bekenstein with that gorgeous view in the background.

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I have sort of wondered if Mirandas infertility could be a result of to much tampering (well, obviously) causing her to diverge to far from the human norm, that is she isn't really human anymore (apart from looks). Kind of like the difference between a donkey and a horse (although they can still produce a sterile offspring (mule)), or if it is caused by the tampering itself making her genetic makeup "unstable", that is, they tried to fine tune a computer with a wrench (and lucked out) but caused all kinds of unanticipated problems, mainly because what they tried were highly experimental and cutting edge...

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evengill wrote...

I have sort of wondered if Mirandas infertility could be a result of to much tampering (well, obviously) causing her to diverge to far from the human norm, that is she isn't really human anymore (apart from looks). Kind of like the difference between a donkey and a horse (although they can still produce a sterile offspring (mule)), or if it is caused by the tampering itself making her genetic makeup "unstable", that is, they tried to fine tune a computer with a wrench (and lucked out) but caused all kinds of unanticipated problems, mainly because what they tried were highly experimental and cutting edge...


She's as human as human can be. Her damage was progressive she wasn't born sterile like a mule is.

If her genetic makeup was unstable she wouldn't have even been born or been a success. 

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evengill wrote...
I have sort of wondered if Mirandas infertility could be a result of to much tampering (well, obviously) causing her to diverge to far from the human norm, that is she isn't really human anymore (apart from looks).

I had some hope something like this wouldn't come up here....

Miranda's problem is not deviation from some species-defining norm (see the edit below for more about that), but a medical condition - a "benign neoplasm" that may or may not have a genetic cause, but only made her infertile by progressive damage. Without that condition, Miranda would be fertile and sexually compatible with a human male, and from what we know, she was until she developed that neoplasm. Thus, she is a human with a problem, not a non-human.

I take this opportunity to repeat that I'd hate it with a passion if Miranda was genetically a dead end. But even then things could be repaired. There's no way the technology we see in the ME universe wouldn't be able to create a child that is biologically Miranda's, and genetic modification of Miranda herself would ensure that the defect was repaired in her children.

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It should be mentioned that there is no individual species identity. Species identity is a group identity. I can, for instance, imagine that if genetic biotic humans are made, the special environment they would need could result in them separating from the human gene pool as a new species over time. Sexual incompatibility with all other humans would create a separate species identity if it were the attribute of a group sexually compatible within itself,  but individuals sexually incompatible with all other humans will always be considered humans with a genetic defect. Note that Miranda is not that - she was fertile once and is genetically human.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 octobre 2010 - 08:40 .


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Miranda's a human with a medical condition, and appears to have no problems with the act of sex. She would be fertile, if not for the tumor. I can see her doubting her own humanity, both because if her origins and because of her job crossing moral lines on a regular basis. The girl has problems with self-loathing.

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Ieldra2 wrote...
Note that Miranda is not that - she was fertile once and is genetically human.


Argh, it's painful to see that written!

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Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Note that Miranda is not that - she was fertile once and is genetically human.

Argh, it's painful to see that written!

Definitely, but not nearly as painful as the possibility that ME3 won't give us a way to cure it. I'm already sharpening my verbal scythe and pitchfork in the hope I'll never need to use them.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 octobre 2010 - 09:15 .


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Only 1 last portion of chapter 1 of my fic to go. I'm going through a lookover of the entire thing right now, trying to smooth out the narrative flow and emotional progression. And then I'll have to go back and figure out how to rewrite Miranda & Mordin's conversation. That one will be a killer...

Was also distracted by the discovery of Nightwriter's character discussion group. Wish I'd found out about it earlier. (didn't think to check her sig earlier, meh) .

I was also thinking of terms of endearment Shepard and Miranda would use on each other and came up with....nothing. I think she's likely to be uncomfortable addressing people like that, although she does call Oriana Ori. Shepard could probably get away calling her Miri, but anything else and she'll object.

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i cant believe my own eyes that this thread still exsists 0.o i mean... you didnt get bored, guys? or have a so-called life (although it sux) ?

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Just for fun, what do you think is Miranda's opinion of the other MaleShep romances? I think she'd disapprove of Shep/Tali on the grounds that it could incapacitate the Chief Engineer before a critical mission. I don't think she'd care about Shepard/Jack once she'd satisfied herself he wasn't going to get himself killed. "No accounting for taste," etc. I can't see her having much of an opinion on Ashley or considering her a rival unless Shepard was visibly not over her. I can see her being jealous of the level of devotion Liara displays in Redemption, even as she exploits it. She doesn't have anyone who really cares about her. I don't know if she'd be worried about Shepard dumping her and reconciling with Liara. I can see some anxiety if he hasn't heard the full story when he begins the relationship.

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Annjul666 wrote...
i cant believe my own eyes that this thread still exsists 0.o i mean... you didnt get bored, guys? or have a so-called life (although it sux) ?

Hi Annjul. It's been a long time. Yes it seems we have no life except in the ME universe - which is more interesting than the real one anyway, and not only for Miranda's presence. ;)

You can never get bored with Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:09 .


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Who needs a life when you have Miranda?

Just kidding. Kinda. 

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Annjul666 wrote...

i cant believe my own eyes that this thread still exsists 0.o i mean... you didnt get bored, guys? or have a so-called life (although it sux) ?


Hah! rookie. Learn some subtlety man subtle trolls are far more effective and irritating than blunt trolls.

Modifié par Silentmode, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:20 .


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jtav wrote...

Just for fun, what do you think is Miranda's opinion of the other MaleShep romances? I think she'd disapprove of Shep/Tali on the grounds that it could incapacitate the Chief Engineer before a critical mission. I don't think she'd care about Shepard/Jack once she'd satisfied herself he wasn't going to get himself killed. "No accounting for taste," etc. I can't see her having much of an opinion on Ashley or considering her a rival unless Shepard was visibly not over her. I can see her being jealous of the level of devotion Liara displays in Redemption, even as she exploits it. She doesn't have anyone who really cares about her. I don't know if she'd be worried about Shepard dumping her and reconciling with Liara. I can see some anxiety if he hasn't heard the full story when he begins the relationship.


You bring up some interesting points.  Shep/Tali, yes, I can see that as a valid point. Tali getting sick and all. To me, I think Tali has a crush on Shepard. I don't think Tali is at the same level of maturity as Liara. I think of Tali as being young maybe 20?  Very young.  In the DLC Liara seemed to matured a lot from the shy reserved to outgoing and threatning people when Shepard first meets her on Illium.  I felt more compelled to have my Male Shep to be with her... even if they were just friends.

I don't think Miranda stated her opinion about Jack... only that she's a child. 

Miranda wasn't going to go along with him romancing another female at the same time.    Jack felt the same way but I don't think Jack was all into the relationship thing just the sex.  "you just have to know where to put it." :blink:

I am waiting to see what becomes of Ashley and Miranda for my maleshep.  Should be interesting.  Ash = Alliance vs Miranda Cerberus. *ding ding maybe a fight in the ring* :D

I think Miranda would be jealous of Liara and Shepards close relationship.

I am still reading the first book "Revelation" so i have no idea exactly what hapens in Retribution other than the summary I read.  Hmmm interesting.

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jtav wrote...

Here's a topic we haven't discussed in a while: how is Miranda going to keep Oriana safe in games where she resigned? Even if TIM doesn't immediately decide he wants her head on a platter, he now has no reason to protect Oriana. It may be to her benefit to find a new "patron," but the only possibility that comes to mind is Liara. Unless she deals wiith her father once and for all.


Indeed!!! I've been exploring that idea in my fic.  So far, I've come up with that the Illusive man manipulates Miranda... Seeing how Oriana is now Miranda's emotional vulnerability... You know, how he likes to leak information. 

He seemed very pissed off at Shepard in my dialogue options. I don't think the Illusive man will take orders from Shepard.

Illusive man has assassin right? So wouldn't he say she went rogue?  I seem to think Miranda knows a lot about him, in the beginning she was practically in the same room with him, wherever that is.  A security risk?

I'd think Miranda would have to call in some favors.... and quickly.  Oriana's life gets disrupted again when Miranda wants her to have a normal life.

You know... I didn't think of Liara. Yes, that could also work.  

I think Miranda will have to at some point deal with both men. Illusive man and her father.   This is what will eventually happen in my fan fic.  She has to at some point you would think.

:?:(:wizard:
 

Modifié par enayasoul, 24 octobre 2010 - 11:58 .


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I just want to see Miri falcon punch Jack.


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hooahguy wrote...

I just want to see Miri falcon punch Jack.


Yes... Oh yes! :devil: *rubs his hands together*

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I'd like to force them to get along. Get them both a good therapist.

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jtav wrote...

I'd like to force them to get along. Get them both a good therapist.


Yes, I can see them now....

Therapist: Miranda, why do you find yourself at odds with Jack?

Miri: Well, Jack seems to think that its my fault that the horrible things that were done to her. This distresses me because TIM never told me about such horrendous projects like at Teltin and Akuze. I just did the lower stuff, like bringing back Shepard. I had no idea of this stuff, and yet Jack still blames me for it and it distresses me because I want to be friends with her and Im sure once you get past her hardness you reveal a kind, gentle woman.

Therapist: And Jack, why do you find yourself at odds with Miranda?

Jack. :wub: you. 

Modifié par hooahguy, 25 octobre 2010 - 12:28 .