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[Ieldra]

More Miranda fanfic.



The first two chapters of "Masks and Mirrors" are online. This was to be a ficathon entry, but unfortunately, I've experienced several weeks of writer's block so only three of five chapters are finished. Chapters 3 and 5 are still mostly unwritten, so I can only publish the first two at this point.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

I'm the only one here unmoved by the kiss, aren't I? *continues being thread contrarian* The Paragon lines about how she can be proud of what she's done with her gifts are among my favorite.

I'm not saying that it's "omg, best romance scene ever". In fact, it does smack of the hollywood cliche with the fight, fight, fight and make out scenario. But I still appreciate it for its spontaneity, something which is hard to capture with a realism-based animated scene. But more importantly, the renegade scene establishes that both Shepard and Miranda have strong and independent personalities and neither will back off for fear of aggravating the other. In fact,it helps substantiate why they would be attracted to each other. Theirs will be a relationship filled with conflicts and reconciliations, but every battle won means a deeper level of connection is established.

I think I know why Miranda makes such a good romantic lead for me. We see the depth of her familial love for Oriana. If she ever found someone she loved romantically at that level, she'd show the same care and devotion. Being really, genuinely loved by Miranda is heady stuff.

I agree 100% with this.

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 octobre 2010 - 02:27 .

[Elyvern]

double post

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 octobre 2010 - 02:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

I'm not saying that it's "omg, best romance scene ever". In fact, it does smack of the hollywood cliche with the fight, fight, fight and make out scenario. But I still appreciate it for its spontaneity, something which is hard to capture with a realism-based animated scene. But more importantly, the renegade scene establishes that both Shepard and Miranda have strong and independent personalities and neither will back off for fear of aggravating the other. In fact,it helps substantiate why they would be attracted to each other. Theirs will be a relationship filled with conflicts and reconciliations, but every battle won means a deeper level of connection is established.

i like that - quoted for truth.

[Ieldra]

MindyG wrote...
I’ve been reading and following this thread for months unofficially and Miri is the sole reason I bought Mass Effect 2. Having not been a PC gamer before and strictly a Final Fantasy die-hard, it’s a big step for me, but so great is the pull of this polygon perfect woman that I had to know everything about her.

:)
Welcome, MindyG. Miranda's pull is indeed nigh irresistible, even to a lot of people who didn't initially like her. 

P.S- I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but after seeing the 3d renders people have made of Miranda I have also become obsessed to learn how to do this myself.

Unfortunately, the occasional artists have mostly left. The best way to do this is to follow the links of Miranda art to their source - mostly deviantart.com - and asking the artists there. For links to Miranda art see the OP or browse this thread. To modify Miranda in-game or extract models from the game, there are several links in the stickied modding thread which may be of some help.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 octobre 2010 - 02:35 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'm the only one here unmoved by the kiss, aren't I? *continues being thread contrarian* The Paragon lines about how she can be proud of what she's done with her gifts are among my favorite.

I'm not saying that it's "omg, best romance scene ever". In fact, it does smack of the hollywood cliche with the fight, fight, fight and make out scenario. But I still appreciate it for its spontaneity, something which is hard to capture with a realism-based animated scene. But more importantly, the renegade scene establishes that both Shepard and Miranda have strong and independent personalities and neither will back off for fear of aggravating the other. In fact,it helps substantiate why they would be attracted to each other. Theirs will be a relationship filled with conflicts and reconciliations, but every battle won means a deeper level of connection is established.

Oh yes. Shepard and Miranda will definitely not have an easy time developing their relationship. But - to quote a catchphrase that could be a motto for their relationship: "It's worth it". I like the Renegade scene better for all the reasons you listed, I only regret that it prevents me from saying "you give your father too much credit....", because that's something she needs to hear until she believes it. 

I think I know why Miranda makes such a good romantic lead for me. We see the depth of her familial love for Oriana. If she ever found someone she loved romantically at that level, she'd show the same care and devotion. Being really, genuinely loved by Miranda is heady stuff.

I agree 100% with this.

Me too. She's worth putting a lot of effort into the relationship. I only wish Shepard wouldn't make it all appear so effortless. I'd like a scene in their romance similar to Liara's in LotSB, where Shepard can confess that he feels tired or frustrated. That did very much to make him appear more human.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 octobre 2010 - 02:44 .

[Prudii Aden]

Recently did the Shadow Broker mission before the suicide mission and I liked what Shepard and Liara said in that. The 'renegade' option I found the better of the two. Who wouldn't be frustrated at the stone walls and lack of trust shown by people you've worked and fought with, especially one who claimed to love you and all but accuses you of treason? That made Shepard a lot more human and fallible to me.

It just makes me wonder what percentage of Ashley romance imports will end up with conflicts in 3. I know that I'll be seeing that a number of times myself - all of my male Shepard imports have dumped her, for that very reason.

[jtav]

I'm sticking it out wit Kaidan. Believe me, I wouldn't be working with Cerberus if I didn't have to. I remember what they did. Most of my Shepards want to destroy them utterly and spend 3/4 of the game despising Miranda because she identifies so strongly with Cerberus in a way Jacob does not.

[Prudii Aden]

My female Shepard is sticking with Kaidan because (if I remember correctly) he didn't imply she was a traitor for working with Cerberus, whereas Ashley wasn't willing to give male Shepard the benefit of the doubt by making that implication. As a result, that bridge got thoroughly burnt, if not nuked.

[Alessar]

Yeah I rather avoid any and all conflict from an ME 1 romance with my male shepard so I'm just replaying ME1 and not romancing anybody >.>

That whole horizon scene left me with a bitter taste for the Ashley romance unfortunately.

Modifié par Alessar, 26 octobre 2010 - 05:09 .

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...
Recently did the Shadow Broker mission before the suicide mission and I liked what Shepard and Liara said in that. The 'renegade' option I found the better of the two. Who wouldn't be frustrated at the stone walls and lack of trust shown by people you've worked and fought with, especially one who claimed to love you and all but accuses you of treason? That made Shepard a lot more human and fallible to me.

Exactly my experience. As an aside, are there any differences between doing LotSB before the suicide mission and doing it afterwards? I always do it afterwards.

It just makes me wonder what percentage of Ashley romance imports will end up with conflicts in 3. I know that I'll be seeing that a number of times myself - all of my male Shepard imports have dumped her, for that very reason.

I have two Shepards who romanced Ashley, or actually, one of them didn't make it past the first romance conversation and still got the flag, bummer. Both will break up with her after Horizon. I'm still thinking of a fourth Shepard who won't romance anyone in ME2, but I don't know if I can do that. As of now, all of my maleSheps are with Miranda.

My femSheps are more variable. I have Kaidan, Liara and Thane in the list. I like Kaidan best, but LotSB does wonders for Liara's romance and Thane's is so well-written that I can't ignore him in spite of him not being the type I'd usually like.

I wonder if there's significant overlap between players who like Miranda and players who like Kaidan. Anecdotal evidence suggests this, but my analysis of the data of XX55XX's character poll doesn't indicate any correlation - there's only a correlation between people who like him and people who like Samara, Thane and Jacob (surprise), and a negative correlation between people who like Kaidan and people who like Zaeed (no surprise, LOL).

[Ieldra]

Changed the OP.

Added my new fanfic to the list. While I'm at it: are there any other fanfics that should be linked in the OP and aren't already? I admit I haven't read all of the 100 or so fanfics featuring Miranda on FFN. Also, by which criteria should I select fanfics that go into the OP. For instance, I haven't linked t3HPrO's "Reunited" because I think Miranda is too far OOC in it. If everyone here thinks I should put it in anyway, I'll do it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 octobre 2010 - 05:32 .

[jtav]

Ieldra, there are some short fics that are part of a larger series that I can recommend, if you're interested. I'd be against including Reunited. I dislike the story for many reasons. The list should be comprised of stories that you feel can be recommended. Being a regular shouldn't earn you an automatic spot on the list. It kind of weirded me out when you said you'd add Persistence... to the list before you read it.



Kaidan, Liara, and Thane are my preferred romances as well. I'd find it hard to say which I like best. The only anecdotal correlation I've noticed is that Miranda fans also like Liara and that I've gotten some interest from Kaidan fans when I mentioned I'd like to write Kaidan/Miranda. Take that as you will.

[Prudii Aden]

There are differences in that if you do it before, Liara comments on Horizon, and afterwards she comments on the suicide mission and how you did - i.e. whether or not you lost people.

There are some Miranda stories on my favourites list on my profile on the fanfiction website - same name as on here. The others are on my tracking list which are difficult to transfer to favourites while at work.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 26 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .

[Ieldra]

@jtav:
We've read excerpts of "Persistence of Memory" here on the forum before publication, and apart from that, I have some trust in you and your Miranda fanfics. If you have recommendations, please post them and I'll have a look at them.

@Prudii Aden:
I'll have a look at your profile. Thanks.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 octobre 2010 - 07:36 .

[tommyt_1994]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@jtav:
We've read excerpts of "Persistence of Memory" here on the forum before publication, and apart from that, I have some trust in you and your Miranda fanfics. If you have recommendations, please post them and I'll have a look at them.

I've read the first two chapters of Persistence of Memory and it is quite well done. Jtav is probably one of the few Miri fanfic writers I trust could actually get the character down right. I've read so much OOC Miri "fluff" (which in itself isn't a horrible thing if done correctly) it's irritating. Promethean Legacy is very well done,I'm looking forward to more chapters and I'm gonna give Masks and Mirrors a read tonight:).You capture Miranda very well I believe, Ieldra. I often look for good Miri fanfic to read but find myself quickly hitting the back button. I started reading one (I believe it's in the OP but I don't remember the name) where Shepard and Miranda were fighting and Shep was calling her a b*tch as well as other things. Fighting is a great confilct idea to write about, but I think the author took it too far. Saw anothe rone where MIranda disobeyed Shepard's mission orders while fighting a collosus and nearly got herself and many others killed just so Grunt could charge it successfully. (you know those may be the same fic) That seemed OOC as well, I know Miri would possibly sacrific lives for the sake of the mission but not needlesly. *sighs* if only the number of Miri fanfic matched that of Tali fanfic, then maybe there'd be more quality pieces with more authors out there giving her character a shot.

PS: Do any of you other Miri fans let her shoot Niket? I plan to romance her on my canon but I have yet to actually get there. It's an interesting choice. Shepard sees that Niket is one of Miranda's only friends, and can use that to stop her from shooting Niket as he would think she would regret it. But Shepard also knows that Miranda also has no problem with killing people if she feels they deserve it, and Niket was trying to take Oriana from her happy life and give her to her monster of a father for a little money.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 26 octobre 2010 - 08:25 .

[jtav]

I think I may have had Shepard call Miranda a b*tch in Be All Our Sins Remembered, but I don't remember at this point. Suffice to say, I wouldn't have blamed him. I find much of what's out there is too fluffy for my taste, with Miranda having none of the sharp edges that drew me to her in the first place. I find that many writers seem intent on turning her into Tali, without any of the things that make Tali interesting.



Check out chapters 7 and 11 of this: http://www.fanfictio...LF_Fic_Requests

[tommyt_1994]

jtav wrote...

I think I may have had Shepard call Miranda a b*tch in Be All Our Sins Remembered, but I don't remember at this point. Suffice to say, I wouldn't have blamed him. I find much of what's out there is too fluffy for my taste, with Miranda having none of the sharp edges that drew me to her in the first place. I find that many writers seem intent on turning her into Tali, without any of the things that make Tali interesting.

Check out chapters 7 and 11 of this: http://www.fanfictio...LF_Fic_Requests

I don't have problems with fights, and perhaps I wasn't perfectly clear. Calling her a b*tch was just the only thing I remember, there was much more. And it wasn't you fic or the one you posted, it was something else and no I'm determined to find it.

Heres Gravity by Ryan Priessman, the passage I was talking about earlier where they were fighting a colossus. It's in the second portion after "Five hours later". It's right at the beginning.

www.fanfiction.net/s/6223061/1/Gravity




Having a fight is one thing, but threatening to throw her out an airlock so that she "can feel what it's like to die" is way too much, IMO.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 26 octobre 2010 - 08:41 .

[hooahguy]

In my most recent playthrough with me romancing Miri, she mentions that "shots were fired" when she escaped her father. I know its a silly question, but Im wondering if Cerberus had anything to do with her running away, or she did it solely on her own accord. I mean, I would interperet "shots fired" to mean a gun battle going on, Surely Miri wasnt alone carrying a baby while shooting her way through her fathers guards? I think Cerberus helped her escape.

What Im trying to say is that I wonder if she ran away because Cerberus said that they would grant her asylum or if she ran away, then went to Cerberus for protection.

Modifié par hooahguy, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Ieldra]

hooahguy wrote...
In my most recent playthrough with me romancing Miri, she mentions that "shots were fired" when she escaped her father. I know its a silly question, but Im wondering if Cerberus had anything to do with her running away, or she did it solely on her own accord. I mean, I would interperet "shots fired" to mean a gun battle going on, Surely Miri wasnt alone carrying a baby while shooting her way through her fathers guards? I think Cerberus helped her escape.

What Im trying to say is that I wonder if she ran away because Cerberus said that they would grant her asylum or if she ran away, then went to Cerberus for protection.

For the former scenario, Cerberus would've had to know that she wanted to run before she started any preparations. I think that unlikely, considering that she had to keep her dissatisfaction secret from her father. For a scenario that explains how she got Oriana out, read Promethean Legacy. Here, she got Oriana out without having to carry her, and Cerberus was involved in her escape early, but didn't make her do it. Or did they? The Cerberus agent may have steered the conversation to the topic that would make Miranda run on purpose. In that case, she would have used the opportunity presented to her. Any other scenario would need to explain how Cerberus knew of Miranda's dissatisfaction earlier. 

[Ieldra]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
Heres Gravity by Ryan Priessman, the passage I was talking about earlier where they were fighting a colossus. It's in the second portion after "Five hours later". It's right at the beginning.

www.fanfiction.net/s/6223061/1/Gravity

Having a fight is one thing, but threatening to throw her out an airlock so that she "can feel what it's like to die" is way too much, IMO.

I don't like the present-day part of "Gravity". I think it's demeaning and the outcome contrived. I only linked it into the OP because I liked the escape scenario.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Jebel Krong]

Prudii Aden wrote...

My female Shepard is sticking with Kaidan because (if I remember correctly) he didn't imply she was a traitor for working with Cerberus, whereas Ashley wasn't willing to give male Shepard the benefit of the doubt by making that implication. As a result, that bridge got thoroughly burnt, if not nuked.

yup, i nuked ashley every single time (and would have even if i wasn't romancing miranda) for her attitude on horizon and lack of faith in shep.

[t3HPrO]

Eh angst and a b**chy Miranda is way too overrated. But if that is what makes you squeal with nerdy glee, then this fic would be good for you: http://m.fanfiction.net/s/6323656/1/



P.S: I typed this on my iPhone, so I can't do hyperlinks. Meh.

[t3HPrO]

@jtav

Nobody's trying to turn Miranda into tali. She's softening up, and that's an intergral part of her character dev we've come to know and love. Or would you rather that she remains an ice queen and thus loses her character dev?

[Ryzaki]

Okay. So...how exactly is Miri a femme fatale? Because I never saw her that way.FF always at least at first are trying to use their relationship with the Hero to their advantage. I don't see her do any of that. She does flaunt her body (I blame BW for this) but not once does she hit on Shep without it being initated.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:56 .