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[Ieldra]

Elyvern, did you just change your opinion about Miranda and marriage? You do make an interesting point BTW. Though I think she would hate to formalize that aspect because it would make her relationship subject to outside authority, even if informal. That's why I also think she'd avoid marriage unless there were tangible benefits.

[fongiel24]

Jebel Krong wrote...

oh you're just so romantic...!

There's a strong possibility either Shepard or Miranda (or both) are "self-employed" at the end of ME2. Any tax breaks they can possibly get by getting married is worth it IMO .

I think if they were to get married, Shepard would have to pop the question. Miranda doesn't seem the type to have dreamed about her wedding as a little girl, but if it meant enough to Shepard, she'd be willing to along with it to make him happy. Otherwise, I think Miranda is largely indifferent to marriage.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern, did you just change your opinion about Miranda and marriage? You do make an interesting point BTW. Though I think she would hate to formalize that aspect because it would make her relationship subject to outside authority, even if informal. That's why I also think she'd avoid marriage unless there were tangible benefits.

Not really, because I still can't see any signs to what kind of tangible rewards the institution of marriage would have in the ME universe, which is your point 3. Although I suppose 3 can be seen as a case if "you don't lose anything if you do it, but you can stand to lose something if you don't".

1 really depends on how convincing a case her partner can make of it. If it's Shepard, then it a case of how much you imagine your Shepard values such a formalisation. Again 2 would apply specifically to Shepard, chick-magnet and savior of the galaxy.

Ok...ok...I suppose I should qualify this and say, I see it more likely if Shepard is a stickler for something like this, it's likely that he can convince her to marry him. WIth another partner, it wouldn't be such a certainity.

About subjecting her relationship to a political/government authority: I'm not even sure if she can legally marry since Miranda Lawson is probably an alias. Wouldn't she need to reveal her real name for it to be legally binding?

[jtav]

I'm not as interested in marriage as I am the being together. I really want to see her make a long-term relationship work. If she wants a child, I want her to have one. Through medical intervention or by adoption. It doesn't matter to me. I (the player) just want her to be happy. I'd be willing to do some very Renegade things to ensure a good end for her, with or without Shep in her life.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...
About subjecting her relationship to a political/government authority: I'm not even sure if she can legally marry since Miranda Lawson is probably an alias. Wouldn't she need to reveal her real name for it to be legally binding?

Her cover should be good enough for such things And I meant more "community approval" than legal authority. She'd prefer everyone to know, but would certainly hate it if others thought it should be subject to their approval or even worse, social control. Which this aspect also entails.

My Shepards, anyway, would prefer to avoid marriage, and as you say, Miranda wouldn't bring it up.

[Elyvern]

Something hilarious just popped into my mind. I've read many fics where they seem to marry without giving thought to all the points you listed. Now I can just imagine a comic/heartwarming fic where all those factors come into play. Maybe Shepard orchestrating jealousy scenarios and pointing out things like tax breaks to try and change her mind.  What a scream that would be.

[jtav]

I had a story idea that I will never write now where they did get engaged. It was an AU where they had a prior relationship of some length. He'd been on the point of asking her when her cover was blown. They rekindled their relationship, and when you have a frustrated proposal at the beginning of a story... Fortunately, I hate writing Shepard and Shepard/Miranda so that particular bit of sentimentality will never see the light of day. I haven't ruled marriage out for another story, but it involves pairing her with Thane, so is probably not of much interest.

[fongiel24]

I think we might be overthinking the marriage thing a bit. Miranda doesn't have conservative parents or a church to impress so marriage is really just another romantic gesture that wouldn't actually change anything between Miranda and her partner. If they got married it'd be for them, not for anybody else.

[hooahguy]

Does the concept of marriage even exist in the ME universe? Miri doesnt believe in religion (or as this thread makes me believe) and we have no idea if Shep does either. I dont think the Citadel government cares enough about marriage to make people register for a civil marriage like they do nowadays, and I dont see Miri and Shep settling down any time soon, especially with those Reapers on the way.

So I think its more of a "permanent relationship" than marriage, persay. 
Eh, was that coherent? I need to stop posting after a few drinks. 

Modifié par hooahguy, 31 octobre 2010 - 01:24 .

[tommyt_1994]

I've been thinking of writing a Miranda quick-fic that takes place post-SM. The Collector Base was kept and it will take place a few hours after the SM in Shepard's cabin. Nothing saucy, just an emotional scene where Miranda talks about her arguably OOC-moment on the collector base, and also helps Shepard out with something. Not too fluffy, just an attempt for me to delve into the emotional aspect of their relationship. Would anyone here be interested in reading something like that? It'll be my first fanfic, but I consider myself a half-decent writer. I'll do my best to keep her IC, and it will feature one of my canon Shepard's, Thomas. He's a Spacer/War Hero but generally renegade when big decisions come around.

I'd also like someone to beta read it for me, if anyone here would like to. I have already played out most of it in my mind, I just need to type it up and then make some tweaks.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 31 octobre 2010 - 06:35 .

[jtav]

Marriage exists. Anderson's divorced.



tommyt, it sounds like a nice fic idea.



This sounds strange, but I'm beginning to be annoyed at the inability to be at odds with Miranda. You can be cruel to Jack and Tali. It doesn't feel like any kindness to her is really my choice and is thefore meaningless. I have to be drastic and kill her to feel like I'm RP-ing my Cerberus-hating Sole Survivor Renegade properly. I'd rather he simply be bitter and despise her, but still have he live and apologize after she resigns and proves herself better than he believed.

[t3HPrO]

I always thought Miranda as wanting to marry Shepard to tell the other women trying to take a piece of him/her to back off. I've always liked the idea of a possessive Miranda who jealously guards her (wo)man. If she were to marry, it'd be with the intent of saying to the others: "F**k off, Shepard is MINE."

[t3HPrO]

@jtav

How could you be cruel to Jack? I couldn't.

[DominantDjDark]

@ t3HPrO



Oh I agree - I couldn't be Cruel to jack either....mostly I just feel sorry for her...



Anyway I've been reading a few of the comments about Miranda, I like her and everything but she does have Perfection complex and she definitely is possesive ^.^ She should go join the borg - They say they're perfect so... yea anyway

[fongiel24]

Jack is often asking for it. She's deliberately confrontational as if she's testing Shepard to see how much she can push him before he pushes back. Her past is sad and all, but that doesn't change the fact that as Shepard says, she's a "hard person to like".



Miranda by comparison is usually polite and offers useful advice. When you ask her a question, she answers it readily without getting snarky, even if some of the questions are somewhat personal. The only time Miranda gets really b*tchy are on Minuteman station and with Joker after the Collector attack.



I'm not saying this makes Miranda better, btw. I actually wish Miranda had acted a little b*tchier on the Normandy.

[tommyt_1994]

Hey guys, like I said I had already gone through this entire quickfic in my head so it's already typed up. I read through it and I think I caught all the mistakes and made some tweaks. Please read and comment .

Doubts

And yes I know the title is bland, but I couldn't think of anything that fit.

Also, it isn't very long, it won't take too much time to read.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .

[tommyt_1994]

If anyone has read Doubts, I edited the ending if you're curious. I now believe I'm happy with it.

[t3HPrO]

During Miri and Jack's romance conflict, I just wanted to slap the both of them and then give them both a big hug after the slap. Jack was wrong to pick a fight, and Miranda was wrong to call her something so strong, such as her 'clearly you were a mistake'. These 2 are actually really very much alike, but they don't know it.

[t3HPrO]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

If anyone has read Doubts, I edited the ending if you're curious. I now believe I'm happy with it.

I quite liked it. I wish Miri resigned from Cerberus though, that was the crowning moment of epicness when she pretty much told TIM to f**k off.

[tommyt_1994]

t3HPrO wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...

If anyone has read Doubts, I edited the ending if you're curious. I now believe I'm happy with it.

I quite liked it. I wish Miri resigned from Cerberus though, that was the crowning moment of epicness when she pretty much told TIM to f**k off.

I like the fact that Miranda can resign from Cerberus, but I wrote this as an extension of one of my canon Shepards' story, who kept the base.

And thank you

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 31 octobre 2010 - 06:35 .

[fongiel24]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hey guys, like I said I had already gone through this entire quickfic in my head so it's already typed up. I read through it and I think I caught all the mistakes and made some tweaks. Please read and comment .

Doubts

And yes I know the title is bland, but I couldn't think of anything that fit.

Also, it isn't very long, it won't take too much time to read.

I just finished it. Overall, I liked it. It's quite well-written and the dialogue sounds realistic. I particularly liked how you drew Shepard's background into his reasoning for why he makes the decisions he does. The concept of "cold compassion" made sense and I could easily imagine a career military officer passing that lesson along to his son.

There were a few things that I disliked. You have a few typos here and there. You mentioned you didn't have a beta yet though, so this is understandable. It's hard to go through your own work with a fine tooth comb. The other thing I wasn't crazy about was the omniscient narrator approach you took, but this is more of a personal preference thing. I tend to prefer to see individual scenes through the eyes of one character, rather than knowing exactly what everyone is thinking.

[tommyt_1994]

fongiel24 wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hey guys, like I said I had already gone through this entire quickfic in my head so it's already typed up. I read through it and I think I caught all the mistakes and made some tweaks. Please read and comment .

Doubts

And yes I know the title is bland, but I couldn't think of anything that fit.

Also, it isn't very long, it won't take too much time to read.

I just finished it. Overall, I liked it. It's quite well-written and the dialogue sounds realistic. I particularly liked how you drew Shepard's background into his reasoning for why he makes the decisions he does. The concept of "cold compassion" made sense and I could easily imagine a career military officer passing that lesson along to his son.

There were a few things that I disliked. You have a few typos here and there. You mentioned you didn't have a beta yet though, so this is understandable. It's hard to go through your own work with a fine tooth comb. The other thing I wasn't crazy about was the omniscient narrator approach you took, but this is more of a personal preference thing. I tend to prefer to see individual scenes through the eyes of one character, rather than knowing exactly what everyone is thinking.

Thanks for the criticism. I went back through and reread it again and found a few more typos, I think I got them all. It's surprisingly difficult to find and correct them all. This is the first story I've ever really written like this. All of my writings before hav ebeen school papers.

Yeah I took the narrative approach to try and get more into their thoughts, and then I transferred into more heavy dialogue. I tried to get Miranda's and Shepard's voice down right, it is very difficult. You have to go back and try and see if you could imagine the character saying the line. I don't know if I got them down right. But thanks a lot for reading, I may write some more in the future if a topic hits me like this one did.

Heh, I spent 2 hours writing this, when I have 3 essays to get started on .

Edit: Well I went back through again and found more typos and misused words. I also tweaked a few things, adding and subtracting words here and there. As well as some punctation errors.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 31 octobre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Ieldra]

@tommyt:

Just read your fanfic. I like the scene, especially the dialogue. It's also a good explanation of why Miranda said what she said (you do know you can avoid her saying that line?). Criticisms: a few tense problems in the first part. Things should sound more as if Miranda were self-reflecting in the third paragraph, instead it sounds a bit report-like. Then you have exactly one paragraph that's written from Shepard's perspective, where everything else is told more of less from Miranda's. That's a bit confusing (echoing fongiel's criticism here), and the scene would've been just as good without the reader getting into Shepard's head.

[Ieldra]

DominantDjDark wrote...
Anyway I've been reading a few of the comments about Miranda, I like her and everything but she does have Perfection complex and she definitely is possesive ^.^ She should go join the borg - They say they're perfect so... yea anyway

A perfection complex? I don't think so. She is super-competent, but she has a two-sided relationship with her improved traits: professionally, she appreciates her own superiority, but emotionally, she feels that her gifts are somehow not her own. There's no sense of entitlement resulting from them. She may come across as arrogant at first, but in fact she isn't that at all.

[tommyt_1994]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@tommyt:
Just read your fanfic. I like the scene, especially the dialogue. It's also a good explanation of why Miranda said what she said (you do know you can avoid her saying that line?). Criticisms: a few tense problems in the first part. Things should sound more as if Miranda were self-reflecting in the third paragraph, instead it sounds a bit report-like. Then you have exactly one paragraph that's written from Shepard's perspective, where everything else is told more of less from Miranda's. That's a bit confusing (echoing fongiel's criticism here), and the scene would've been just as good without the reader getting into Shepard's head.

Thanks for the critique, I'm going to go back and look at it. Yes I know you can avoid the line, but having her say it provides a lot of content for the piece. I think I fixed the first paragraph, verb tense gives me some troubles. I haven't learned a lot about verb tense yet, at least not throught the first 16 years of my education. And the report-like feel to the third paragraph was intentional, though I don't really know why, as was the paragraph from Shepard's perspective. I tried to momentarily change perspective because I had some ideas I wanted to include. Structure and perspective are probably my biggest flaws, I'll need some experience writing fanfic. It's not where I would like it to be, but I'm okay with its current state after only 2 hours of work. I'll revisit it later probably. And thanks a lot for the dialogue compliment,  I was worried I wasn't getting them down right.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 31 octobre 2010 - 08:43 .