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[jtav]

Well, I'm dealing with the short term and she's interested in him (sort of--this is the story idea I mentioned earlier). Though she got the injury saving his life, so he knows the extent and the fact that she saved him is what caused him to change his mind about her.

[Zulu_DFA]

Hi, Mirandologists!

I'm back to disturb the peace of your mind. I see you like putting Miranda through different hypothetical situations, so here is one, with a certain likelihood of actual happening attached to it:

ME3, Liara is Shepard's "second in command", Miranda is cameo [ducks for cover, continues from behind it], Shepard can invite her to have a tour of the Normandy. Miranda comes to her former quarters and sees Liara sitting there and doing what Miranda used to do in ME2. Her reaction?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 novembre 2010 - 05:20 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, I'm dealing with the short term and she's interested in him (sort of--this is the story idea I mentioned earlier). Though she got the injury saving his life, so he knows the extent and the fact that she saved him is what caused him to change his mind about her.

Hmm. Well, it would bother her. I expect her to be annoyed. Since it's not permanent, maybe she'd come to appreciate the irony that she's interested in a man for the first time and just now has lost one of her features that attract men. But it would take work, given that she's emotionally not that sure of herself, and she won't let Shepard help her with that because she'd suspect he does it out of pity.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Well, I'm dealing with the short term and she's interested in him (sort of--this is the story idea I mentioned earlier). Though she got the injury saving his life, so he knows the extent and the fact that she saved him is what caused him to change his mind about her.

I take it this injury is disfiguring? Miranda is usually very practical about most things, but I think a disfiguring injury would affect her quite significantly, particularly if she's interested in Shepard romantically. Miranda might try to convince herself she's above such things as vanity, but she's still human. Most beautiful people wouldn't handle it well if their attractiveness was suddenly stolen from them.

[jtav]

Yes, it's disfiguring, though it will probably be in a place normally covered by her uniform. She gets blasted by thresher maw venom while shoving Shepard out of said venom after he freezes on Grunt's LM. The fact that the "Cerberus lapdog" is the one who saved him and at considerable personal cost, causes him to rethink his feelings toward her.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Yes, it's disfiguring, though it will probably be in a place normally covered by her uniform. She gets blasted by thresher maw venom while shoving Shepard out of said venom after he freezes on Grunt's LM. The fact that the "Cerberus lapdog" is the one who saved him and at considerable personal cost, causes him to rethink his feelings toward her.

Oh... if it's not on her face, I don't think it'd be such a big deal for her since Shepard would only see the scars if they got intimate.

[Ieldra]

Since the forums currently abound with those who like to kick everyone who cares about anyone in ME1/2 in the face, I think this will come at an opportune time....







And just in case there's anyone who doesn't know it yet, here's Breakdown Boy's immortal Vanity Fair cover:

[Jebel Krong]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hi, Mirandologists!

I'm back to disturb the peace of your mind. I see you like putting Miranda through different hypothetical situations, so here is one, with a certain likelihood of actual happening attached to it:

ME3, Liara is Shepard's "second in command", Miranda is cameo [ducks for cover, continues from behind it], Shepard can invite her to have a tour of the Normandy. Miranda comes to her former quarters and sees Liara sitting there and doing what Miranda used to do in ME2. Her reaction?

er, i know you're slow and all but you do know liara is now the shadowbroker, right? so that "situation" couldn't happen....

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...
I think I posted that very fanfic on the FemShep boards...though I think it was Miranda discovering that FemShep writes dirty things and is horrified. And then the entire crew is involved....

Heh...that sounds funny. Got a link? One thing though: I don't think Miranda would be horrified by such a discovery. She'd be amused.

 It's a humor fic, so don't expect much from it. Synopsis? FemShep writes slash fanfics about her crew. Miranda finds them. Hilarity inuses. NSFW (Vulgar humor, Jack's hilarious swearing, carnal acts etc.)

Miranda finds FemSheps slash fics. Hilarity Insues

ROFL... very very fun to read. I could actually picture this.  Near the end was especially funny. I couldn't stop laughing.

Oh god, I think I nearly fell off the chair reading that. I love Jack's profanity filtered dialogue most of all!

oh wow that was hilarious!

[jtav]

I don't mean to kick anyone in the teeth. I'm just cynical. I want Miranda with me every step of the way. I fear chickification more than a cameo, all the more because some seem to want it, so that's where I focus my energy.

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

Chapter 1 of my fic is done.

Summary: A seven-year war has left strangers wearing the faces of loved ones, and souls struggling to find themselves even as they seek to reconnect with each other. But the past is a harsh mistress, especially when it is encoded into your body. Post-Reaper fic.

Degrees of Inheritance

awesome and i liked the post-reaper approach - fresh and very in-character ('course i read some excerpts before).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 05 novembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Jebel Krong wrote...

er, i know you're slow and all but you do know liara is now the shadowbroker, right? so that "situation" couldn't happen....

Tell that to Kraidy.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I don't mean to kick anyone in the teeth. I'm just cynical. I want Miranda with me every step of the way. I fear chickification more than a cameo, all the more because some seem to want it, so that's where I focus my energy.

jtav, I didn't mean you. I meant those who respond with a reflexive "they'll all be nothing but cameos, haha!" to any post indicating someone might care about a character, as if this uncaring so-called "coolness" was a virtue. So go on fighting Miranda's chickification, I'm with you.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 novembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Prudii Aden]

Chickified Miranda? No thank you! It would wipe out everything that drew me to her. As she is currently, she's a confident, competent woman. The only woman who has the capacity, capability and willingness to stand on an equal footing with Shepard.

[jtav]

Ah. I was afraid my pessimism/resisignation re: Miranda's chances had finally driven someone over the edge. I despise that sort of flippancy as well. I care about Miranda deeply. Do you know how hard it is to find really good female characters who aren't made to apologize for their strength?

[Skyline_Stanza]

Then there's that whole argument of "why would they go and have you build up this squad if not to carry them all (Liara, Wrex, Ash/Kaidan included) into the 'Final Countdown", so to speak.



I loved Miranda as a character: she's one of my top female protagonists, I love that who she is and what she's about influences her character and would be greatly sad if she were reduced or weakened in any way shape or form. I could actually say the same about the entire squad, (and in fact, I do.)



However, all we can do is wait and hope and struggle and pray that our Loyalist doesn't end up changed by the time ME3 comes around. I'm with you guys in the fight against Miranda's 'chickification.'

[Ieldra]

I'd like your opinion on a question I need answered for my fanfic: can you dodge a biotic throw? I must decide if I need to make my Shepard a biotic to have a chance against Miranda one-on-one, or how big a gun I need to give him, figuratively speaking. So far he isn't a biotic, but I'm having trouble with a fighting scene.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd like your opinion on a question I need answered for my fanfic: can you dodge a biotic throw? I must decide if I need to make my Shepard a biotic to have a chance against Miranda one-on-one, or how big a gun I need to give him, figuratively speaking. So far he isn't a biotic, but I'm having trouble with a fighting scene.

Judging purely from gameplay, I'd say "yes". Biotic powers move slowly enough and their area of effect is small enough that it should be possible to dodge them. Shepard is an elite special forces operator who is not only in peak physical condition but may also have had muscle enhancements. The increased reaction time and speed afforded by Shepard's training, conditioning, and enhancements should give him a decent chance of getting out of the way.

[The_Numerator]

So eh, sorry to throw it out all blunt-like but, what did you all think about that benign neoplasm precluding the possibility of her ever having children?

That was just so sad. I just felt so bad for her. For several reasons. Probably mainly on account of it being one of those "incredibly intimate personal details" revealed sort of thing. And I don't mean the physiological facts. I'm talking about revealing a state of mind that was just like, "Whoa. Miranda was thinking about that? And I never saw it? God, I'm a real ***hole."

I mean, she found out because she was checking if she could. And you don't just check something like that for giggles. You don't go, "Well, I haven't given any thought to having children ever, but I'll just inexplicably check to see if I can have children." You check because you want to know if you can have children. And you want to know if you can have children, because some bit of you wants to have children. Why is this so? Because the alternative, that you want to know if you can have children because you don't want to have children and want something to rub in your ovaries' faces, is pretty ridiculous, even by my standards.

Unless it was just discovered during a routine physical, I suppose. But that only makes it very, very, very slightly less awful.

Anyway. It's real God damn... stuff.

Anyone else get that reaction?

[Ieldra]

The_Numerator wrote...
So eh, sorry to throw it out all blunt-like but, what did you all think about that benign neoplasm precluding the possibility of her ever having children?

That was just so sad. I just felt so bad for her. For several reasons. Probably mainly on account of it being one of those "incredibly intimate personal details" revealed sort of thing. And I don't mean the physiological facts. I'm talking about revealing a state of mind that was just like, "Whoa. Miranda was thinking about that? And I never saw it? God, I'm a real ***hole."

That medical report came as a complete surprise, no one could see it coming because there were zero hints to that effect. We know now that Miranda at some point thought about having children (yes, we don't think it was an accidental finding). It was sad, yes, but most of us here were also annoyed, because we felt Miranda was singled out for another personal tragedy she didn't need. That was only mitigated by the fact that the condition cannot plausibly be irreversible - see the physiological details in the Miranda Lawson FAQ (scroll down to part IV).

That was the prevailing opinion in this thread. Here's my personal opinion: I'm so angry about this that I'm calling for tar and feathers to apply to those who decided to put it in, and regularly wield verbal pitchforks against those who say she needed this (there are those. *imagine colorful expletive*).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd like your opinion on a question I need answered for my fanfic: can you dodge a biotic throw? I must decide if I need to make my Shepard a biotic to have a chance against Miranda one-on-one, or how big a gun I need to give him, figuratively speaking. So far he isn't a biotic, but I'm having trouble with a fighting scene.

Judging purely from gameplay, I'd say "yes". Biotic powers move slowly enough and their area of effect is small enough that it should be possible to dodge them. Shepard is an elite special forces operator who is not only in peak physical condition but may also have had muscle enhancements. The increased reaction time and speed afforded by Shepard's training, conditioning, and enhancements should give him a decent chance of getting out of the way.

Judging purely from lore, biotic effects should move at lightspeed. They are also all instantaneous in ME1. That's what I use as the basis. The problem is more one of targeting: biotic powers are triggered by physical movement, and that movement can be anticipated. I was wondering if this anticipation can be used to dodge. I tend to think it can be used to dodge.

ME2 gameplay just feels wrong: not only do biotic effects move ridiculously slowly, they're also homing which makes absolutely no sense physically - once you've triggered that dark energy wave, there's no way you could influence where it's going. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2010 - 09:01 .

[The_Numerator]

Yeah. It was a definitely a "What, now THIS? And just when it seemed like things were lookin' up for her!" moment.



Poor woman just can't seem to catch a break.



And wow, an FAQ. I shall read it. XD

[Ieldra]

Since you seem to be new to this thread, The_Numerator, may I direct your attention to our Original Post. It contains a lot of information collected over the past months, some appreciation articles, video and screenshot links, and several aspects of Miranda are explored in fanfics linked there, if you're interested.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd like your opinion on a question I need answered for my fanfic: can you dodge a biotic throw? I must decide if I need to make my Shepard a biotic to have a chance against Miranda one-on-one, or how big a gun I need to give him, figuratively speaking. So far he isn't a biotic, but I'm having trouble with a fighting scene.

Hmm....wasn't he a biotic from what you told me? What prompted the change in mind?

Modifié par Elyvern, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:27 .

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd like your opinion on a question I need answered for my fanfic: can you dodge a biotic throw? I must decide if I need to make my Shepard a biotic to have a chance against Miranda one-on-one, or how big a gun I need to give him, figuratively speaking. So far he isn't a biotic, but I'm having trouble with a fighting scene.

Hmm....wasn't he a biotic from what you told me? What prompted the change in mind?

It's complicated. I envision all my Shepards as having biotic potential. But I've been influenced too much by ME2 gameplay where Shepard's biotics aren't much fun  - the team members' biotics are instantaneous so I tend to use them, and in boss fights throw and pull are no use at all until the battle is almost won. So I made Cyrus Shepard an Engineer in the game. As a result, in the first chapters I've written him with the unconscious assumption that he hasn't got any biotics, and how I'm having difficulties adapting back. I'm still undecided. Fortunately, that fight between him and Miranda is still some time away. I just had an idea how it could go.

(If only I could have a Sentinel with Incineration instead of Overload. Armor is much more annoying than shields.)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2010 - 01:49 .