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[Zulu_DFA]

Proof that Miranda is not 35.

The Eclipse lieutenant says that Miranda kidnapped Daddy's "baby daughter". But in the next sentence he says, that Daddy has been after Oriana for "more than a decade".

"More than a decade" (in spoken language) is less than 19. Because 19 is "almost two decades"."More than a decade" ends with 15, and with 16 "almost two decades" begins.

So let's assume the worst, that is Daddy has been looking for Oriana not for 11, nor 12, nor 14, but for full 15 years. Hence, when Miranda kidnapped her and joined Cerberus, Oriana was 4 years old. That was in 2170. But Miranda wasn't 20 at the time she joined Cerberus. So she was born after 2150.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 novembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[enayasoul]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Proof that Miranda is not 35.

The Eclipse lieutenant says that Miranda kidnapped Daddy's "baby daughter". But in the next sentence he says, that Daddy has been after Oriana for "more than a decade".

"More than a decade" (in spoken language) is less than 19. Because 19 is "almost two decades"."More than a decade" ends with 15, and with 16 "almost two decades" begins.

So let's assume the worst, that is Daddy has been looking for Oriana not for 11, nor 12, nor 14, but for full 15 years. Hence, when Miranda kidnapped her and joined Cerberus, Oriana was 4 years old. That was in 2170. But Miranda wasn't 20 at the time she joined Cerberus. So she was born after 2150.

It clearly states on the official web site. she is indeed 35.  Here's the link: http://masseffect.com/universe/squad/miranda/
Wiki states she is born in 2150  masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Miranda  another link.

Modifié par enayasoul, 07 novembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[fongiel24]

enayasoul wrote...

It clearly states on the official web site. she is indeed 35.  Here's the link: http://masseffect.com/universe/squad/miranda/

Keep in mind that website also claims Mordin is 50 when 40 is considered to be old age for a salarian and that Grunt is 22, despite his having been "conceived" sometime between ME1 and ME2 and "birthed" a good ways into ME2. I think a dev or writer actually stated that these ages are only intended to approximate human ages.

We're just going to have to accept that Bioware has been playing fast and loose with the timeline and not rely too much on "canon". Miranda is probably somewhere between 30 and 40 chronologically. I wouldn't be willing to get any more specific than that.

[jtav]

The website is rubbish but Miranda must be between 32 and 38 because Oriana was grown when she was a teen and turns 19 in 2185.

[jtav]

Besides, I like my artificial biotic theory.

[enayasoul]

fongiel24 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

It clearly states on the official web site. she is indeed 35.  Here's the link: http://masseffect.com/universe/squad/miranda/

Keep in mind that website also claims Mordin is 50 when 40 is considered to be old age for a salarian and that Grunt is 22, despite his having been "conceived" sometime between ME1 and ME2 and "birthed" a good ways into ME2. I think a dev or writer actually stated that these ages are only intended to approximate human ages.

We're just going to have to accept that Bioware has been playing fast and loose with the timeline and not rely too much on "canon". Miranda is probably somewhere between 30 and 40 chronologically. I wouldn't be willing to get any more specific than that.

Yeah, I would have thought Zaeed was older. maybe in his 50's. 

[Skyline_Stanza]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

jtav wrote...

I mean instead of her being vague, one concrete example of what her father did would be more effective at generating sympathy and the infertility would be superfluous.

She looks really good in the second screenshot.

Ah, now I see. That does make a lot more sense. I always thought that Miranda's biotic abilities were given to her through genetic manipulation in the womb/at birth, but I could see where having a surgery at age ten would garner sympathy. Very astute of you, Jtav.

Does *anyone* read the Miranda Lawson FAQ?

MIranda getting biotic abilities through genetic manipulation has a problem: the first eezo exposure of human fetuses was in 2151, an its effects - creating biotic abilities - weren't discovered until 2157. Miranda was born in 2150. You'd have to assume several entries in the timeline are very wrong. We've debated that and concluded that using a surgical procedure adapted from the krogan (which is mentioned in the Codex) is more plausible.

 Oops, I goofed. Yes, I've read the FAQ. That little fact just slipped my mind. I'm a little tired is all. *goes back to his notes on Miranda*

Does anyone think Miranda may have some technical expertise beyond overloading sheilds? I know she's good at spying, Niket says so himself. Would she have any other tech abilities?  

[jtav]

I'm writing her as a computer genius. She's not as good as Kasumi, but she can hold her own as a hacker. I think it's plausible.



Anyone think Miranda's mission should have been failable? Imagine if Enyale had offered you a pile of money to walk away. It would be a vile thing to do but imagine the converse. Her best friend sold her out, but this person she doesn't even like that much refused. Plenty of motivation to rethink her attitude and consider Shepard someone she can trust.

[Elyvern]

That'd be highly doubtful, since I always end up with excess cash at the end of the game. And if mercs are hands-for-hire, why would a merc give away that money to get a job done?

[Skyline_Stanza]

jtav wrote...

I'm writing her as a computer genius. She's not as good as Kasumi, but she can hold her own as a hacker. I think it's plausible.

Anyone think Miranda's mission should have been failable? Imagine if Enyale had offered you a pile of money to walk away. It would be a vile thing to do but imagine the converse. Her best friend sold her out, but this person she doesn't even like that much refused. Plenty of motivation to rethink her attitude and consider Shepard someone she can trust.

See, now that's a good idea. It definitley would make Miranda rethink her opinion and attitude about Shepard.

Jtav, how do you get into Miranda's mindset when writing? I find it a little daunting to attemp to write this woman, the Cerberus loyalist, who comes off as so cool, aloof and confident, genetically engineered to be "perfect". Any pointers?   

[hooahguy]

I think all the LMs should have been failable. Would have given a more interesting approach. What if Enyala offered to give you 100k credits? Thats a huge amount, big enough to convince you not to save Oriana. This can go on, with all LMs. You could let Jacobs father keep doing his thing, you could let Maelon keep doing his research, you could say "hell no" to facing a Thresher Maw (this would have deeper implications if you had the history with Akuze) or if you let Sidonis live, then Garrus wouldnt be loyal. As I said, I can keep going with this.

[jtav]

Easy. Lawson Sr has heard Miranda might be with Shepard and has authorized Enyala to pay him/her off. It's no stupider than handing over the evidence.

[Elyvern]

I can understand the logic of a bribe, but I'm saying money has strong meta-gaming implications here and ME2 isn't a game where money is hard to come by. A new piece of technology or weaponry might serve better.

[jtav]

Well, we don't want to make the option too desirable

[fongiel24]

I find the idea that Shepard has to scrounge for money ridiculous. It didn't make sense in ME1 and it doesn't in ME2. In ME1, Shepard is supposed to be an elite operative with the best equipment and training that money can buy. In ME2, he's being sponsored by a very well-funded terrorist group whose leader has made it clear that his mission takes precedence over everything else. Why was Shepard ever short of funds?

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Does anyone think Miranda may have some technical expertise beyond overloading sheilds? I know she's good at spying, Niket says so himself. Would she have any other tech abilities?  

Miranda is a veteran Cerberus field agent, so she's probably capable of hacking most security systems out there, whether they're securing a physical door or a database. She's not as good as a dedicated tech geek, but for an intelligence operative she's very capable. I like to think of her as a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-most. Her intellect and experience make for a formidable combination of biotic and tech abilities. Some people like Jack might be superior in one or two areas, but as a total package Miranda is probably unmatched by anybody on the Normandy, possibly even including Shepard.

[Skyline_Stanza]

fongiel24 wrote...

I find the idea that Shepard has to scrounge for money ridiculous. It didn't make sense in ME1 and it doesn't in ME2. In ME1, Shepard is supposed to be an elite operative with the best equipment and training that money can buy. In ME2, he's being sponsored by a very well-funded terrorist group whose leader has made it clear that his mission takes precedence over everything else. Why was Shepard ever short of funds?

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Does anyone think Miranda may have some technical expertise beyond overloading sheilds? I know she's good at spying, Niket says so himself. Would she have any other tech abilities?  

Miranda is a veteran Cerberus field agent, so she's probably capable of hacking most security systems out there, whether they're securing a physical door or a database. She's not as good as a dedicated tech geek, but for an intelligence operative she's very capable. I like to think of her as a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-most. Her intellect and experience make for a formidable combination of biotic and tech abilities. Some people like Jack might be superior in one or two areas, but as a total package Miranda is probably unmatched by anybody on the Normandy, possibly even including Shepard.

Given her history as a veteran Cerberus field agent, how might Miranda lead a squad of two other Normandy 2.0 crewmates? Efficient is the first word to come to mind. She's in it to get the job done well.

 I've gotten some advice from Jtav about it, but it's always nice to heat a second or third opinion on the matter.

[tommyt_1994]

fongiel24 wrote...

I find the idea that Shepard has to scrounge for money ridiculous. It didn't make sense in ME1 and it doesn't in ME2. In ME1, Shepard is supposed to be an elite operative with the best equipment and training that money can buy. In ME2, he's being sponsored by a very well-funded terrorist group whose leader has made it clear that his mission takes precedence over everything else. Why was Shepard ever short of funds?

This is one of those aspects that bugs me as well, but we have to accept it as a game mechanic. If we could buy every upgrade/decoration/etc. without any fear of running out of money it would be pointless really.


But back on Miranda: If anyone has noticed from my few posts here, my "favorite LI" has changed often. I go back and forth because I appreciate different aspects of each character. With Miranda, it's her pragmatic, competent, and 'equal to Shepard' aspects that I appreciate the most. I may not agree with everything she does or says, which was my reason for flopping on her earlier, bu that shouldn't move her from my "favorite LI" position. No couples are perfect and I think the Miranda/Shepard pairing is the most interesting because I'm in the "she's the only LI that truly rivals Shepard" boat, which really dismisses all of the other romance options for me. I try my best to pair my Shepard's/Warden's with people that suit their personality best, so I give this way too much thought lol. My Shepard simply fits best with Miranda, she's the most appropriate match for him IMO and I just find her character the most interesting. I don't know where the Miranda romance will end up, but I sincerely hope she doesn't get, to use a word from this thread, "chickified". I want the competent, pragmatic Miranda we all love back. And quite frankly, I'd prefer no Miranda at all over a Miranda that was falling all over Shepard who couldn't think for herself.

/hopefully redeeming, self analytical post

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 07 novembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[fongiel24]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Given her history as a veteran Cerberus field agent, how might Miranda lead a squad of two other Normandy 2.0 crewmates? Efficient is the first word to come to mind. She's in it to get the job done well.

 I've gotten some advice from Jtav about it, but it's always nice to heat a second or third opinion on the matter.

Miranda's a decent leader because she knows what she's doing, not because she's a natural. I think Miranda would make up for her lack of charisma by just being more prepared than everybody else. She's been around the block enough times to realize things never go according to plan so she'd have a contingency plan for almost every conceivable situation.

Regarding how she would interact with her subordinates on a mission, I think she would want them to be as prepared as she was, meaning an extensive briefing where she'd drill everything into them. If she doesn't think they're up to snuff, I don't think Miranda would hesitate to postpone or even cancel the mission. Miranda doesn't strike me as the type that would attempt to improvise on a mission or gamble too much unless it was necessary and she had no other alternative.

[tommyt_1994]

Just found this cool Miranda fanart on DA, I've never seen it before so I'll leave it here:

ME2: operative Miranda Lawson


By: Spiritius

Quite frankly, I love it.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 07 novembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Ieldra]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...
Does anyone think Miranda may have some technical expertise beyond overloading sheilds? I know she's good at spying, Niket says so himself. Would she have any other tech abilities? 

In my fanfics she's a first-class hacker (though not Kasumi's level). That is based on the fact she's had spy programs in her father's systems that went undeteced for 19 years!

@tommy_t:
She looks very old in that picture....not my favorite.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 novembre 2010 - 07:38 .

[t3HPrO]

Miranda probably has the ability to decouple emotions from her competence, so quit worrying about the chickification. Case in point: my former boss. She was a total b*tch at work, but when I ran into her a few months later at a mall with her family and she's all sugar spice and everything nice. So relax, don't give yourselves panic attacks worrying about it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Anyone think Miranda's mission should have been failable? Imagine if Enyale had offered you a pile of money to walk away. It would be a vile thing to do but imagine the converse. Her best friend sold her out, but this person she doesn't even like that much refused. Plenty of motivation to rethink her attitude and consider Shepard someone she can trust.

A bribe would be interesting, but money doesn't cut it. What about an expensive upgrade?

Edit:
OK; Elyvern already said that. I also agree it shouldn't bee *too* tempting.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 novembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[t3HPrO]

Honestly speaking, the writers probably forgot to proofread their own writing. As a result, we've got all these itty-gritty contradictions. I don't see why people don't think Miranda is 35, I mean, do some simple math and it's true. And since Miranda cares so much about Oriana, she wouldve probably waited till Oriana was at least 1 before she took her from Mr Lawson, making Miranda...at least 17 when she ran with Ori.



@jtav

Three guns are pointed at you and you've got your gun pointed at them. 'Nuff said.

[Ieldra]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
My Shepard simply fits best with Miranda, she's the most appropriate match for him IMO and I just find her character the most interesting. I don't know where the Miranda romance will end up, but I sincerely hope she doesn't get, to use a word from this thread, "chickified". I want the competent, pragmatic Miranda we all love back. And quite frankly, I'd prefer no Miranda at all over a Miranda that was falling all over Shepard who couldn't think for herself.

We haven't invented the term "chickification". Actually I'm fairly optimistic here, since Tali's romance is "sweet" enough that we don't need another one like it. The only problem is this: if all scenes with Miranda in ME3 are romance-oriented, her competence will take a back seat even though theoretically, it's still there. I want the professional operative to be present on-screen along with the romance.

@t3HPrO:
Miranda could've been 15 or 16 when Oriana was 1... fits all the evidence.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 novembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[tommyt_1994]

Ieldra2 wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...
My Shepard simply fits best with Miranda, she's the most appropriate match for him IMO and I just find her character the most interesting. I don't know where the Miranda romance will end up, but I sincerely hope she doesn't get, to use a word from this thread, "chickified". I want the competent, pragmatic Miranda we all love back. And quite frankly, I'd prefer no Miranda at all over a Miranda that was falling all over Shepard who couldn't think for herself.

We haven't invented the term "chickification". Actually I'm fairly optimistic here, since Tali's romance is "sweet" enough that we don't need another one like it. The only problem is this: if all scenes with Miranda in ME3 are romance-oriented, her competence will take a back seat even though theoretically, it's still there. I want the professional operative to be present on-screen along with the romance.

@t3HPrO:
Miranda could've been 15 or 16 when Oriana was 1... fits all the evidence.

I knew you guys didn't create the term lol, it was just used recently. And you make a good point, hopefully Tali's over the top sweep romance will cause Bioware to not steer that way with Miranda. I also agree with not wanting all of her scenes to be romance related. I want her to play a big role in the plot, even though it is unlikely I'm still optimistic that Bioware can do it right.