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[jtav]

If I may derail the thread for a bit, I have two questions: about how well off is Miranda now? She no longer "enjoys" her father's wealth, but I can't imagine her as less than upper middle class.



Second, and unrelated: what would that friendship path we want look like? I'm reallllly annoyed we don't have one.

[Prudii Aden]

I'd guess she's "comfortably well off". Not mega rich, but can afford to have a good standard of living, without having to worry about the pennies.



As for the friendship path, something similar to how things worked with Wrex in 1. It would also give a chance for the writers to put stuff in about Shep's background/basic achievements - colonist/war hero and that sort of thing.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
If I may derail the thread for a bit, I have two questions: about how well off is Miranda now? She no longer "enjoys" her father's wealth, but I can't imagine her as less than upper middle class.

I can't imagine her as less, too. There are two factors: I think she either transferred some personal wealth away when she ran, or hacked into her father's accounts. Second, she's a workaholic and a top operative. TIM seems to be somewhat generous to his top operatives, and she's probably had little opportunity to spend much money for anything because of her work.

Second, and unrelated: what would that friendship path we want look like? I'm reallllly annoyed we don't have one.

I'll be back on that in about 16 hours....don't have time to think this over now.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I can't imagine her as less, too. There are two factors: I think she either transferred some personal wealth away when she ran, or hacked into her father's accounts. Second, she's a workaholic and a top operative. TIM seems to be somewhat generous to his top operatives, and she's probably had little opportunity to spend much money for anything because of her work.

This entirely. And if she had some precious spare time, I can imagine her indulging herself with luxuries before it's back to work again. But even so, due to the fact that she likely doesn't have a permanent home anywhere, it wouldn't be material ownership, maybe an expensive holiday, dining in a good restaurant, pampering herself at a high-end spa kind of thing.

Second, and unrelated: what would that friendship path we want look like? I'm reallllly annoyed we don't have one.

The more I keep thinking about this, the more I must admit that if there was the option of friendship paths for both male/female sheps, the general impression of Miranda would improve so immensely in the ME fanbase. This applies to polarising characters like Jack as well. However, it's hard to think of topics that they could talk as friends as she's such a workaholic. The subject of Oriana would be a nice safe bet. The kind of schooling she has, whatever diplomas or degrees she's acquired in her past could be another. Confronting the issue of her loyalty to Cerberus in ME3 could be another. How about plans for the future (ie post reaper?) Whether the topic of her infertility comes in or not could be a reflection of how close the friendship is. I suppose there could be a little chitchat about her fashion preferences, although I see that as only applying to femshep and a big deal shouldn't be made of it, even though it'd be nice to know that Miranda shares some common female interests as well. And alluding to my extrapolations of how she would spend her down time, maybe she and shep could talk about what they would do on job breaks.

[Ieldra]

Regarding friendship topics, I think with Shepard, who knows many of her secrets, Miranda would take the opportunity to talk about stuff she can't talk about with anyone else. Think of Gianna Parasini in Nos Astra, that kind of talk.



More to come.

[jtav]

I'd very much like a conversation like Gianna's. Even better would be something like what we had with Liara where both confide their hopes and fears to each other. I don't think there's anyone this Shepard would trust with her mounting sense of frustration and doubt except for Miranda. Not even Liara or Thane. (LIs--and that's going to be a hard choice). She'd save Miranda before anyone else too. Quite frankly, Miranda's more important to her than any other individual.

[t3HPrO]

I suspect Miranda is in the middle-upper class, and owns several properties throughout the galaxy. Also, she is most likely the star donor to several orphanages and charities all throughout the galaxy, and she may also be an investor in several mega-corporations (i.e. Sirta Foundation, Rosenkov Materials etc.) as she probably is VERY well paid by TIM, and stole a substantial amount of creds from dear ol' 'dad', but she doesn't have that many ways to splash the cash.

[t3HPrO]

Quick question: How do you think Miranda would react to being called a 'prude' by Shepard or someone on the crew because she wouldn't drink more alcohol at a bar?

[Markinator_123]

I was just wondering does anybody think that this Shepard (my main Shepard) would go well with Miranda based upon this moral fiber.

http://www.xfire.com...?view#106723579

Modifié par Markinator_123, 16 novembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[jtav]

Depends on how you got those points, I think. I don't think she'd approve of being overly idealistic or being a jerkass.



As for "prude," I think she'd react with barely concealed contempt and rightly so. It's not their business and sobriety is generally considered a good thing.

[Markinator_123]

Just by looking at my paragon/renegade status do you think my Shepard is a saint?

[Ieldra]

Markinator_123 wrote...

I was just wondering does anybody think that this Shepard (my main Shepard) would go well with Miranda based upon this moral fiber.

http://www.xfire.com...?view#106723579

It's a typical Paragade - 85P/63R. Most of my Shepards are similar. Should be no problem, but it would depend on where in the game you've taken this shot. Typically I tend to have more R than P for the first half of the game, mostly driven by Renegade interrupts and small-scale conversation options, and then a few big decisions - Samara's LM, Mordin's LM, Jack's LM, Tali/Legion conflict - push me into Paragade.

I think Miranda will be OK with anyone who's not completely one-sided. Full Paragons she wouldn't respect, full Renegades she wouldn't be attracted to. Also as jtav said, it would depend on how Shepard got those points.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...
Quick question: How do you think Miranda would react to being called a 'prude' by Shepard or someone on the crew because she wouldn't drink more alcohol at a bar?

She would give that person a disdainful look that would make him want to sink into the ground. Yes, even Shepard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'd very much like a conversation like Gianna's. Even better would be something like what we had with Liara where both confide their hopes and fears to each other. I don't think there's anyone this Shepard would trust with her mounting sense of frustration and doubt except for Miranda. Not even Liara or Thane. (LIs--and that's going to be a hard choice). She'd save Miranda before anyone else too. Quite frankly, Miranda's more important to her than any other individual.

Will she even have an LI? She sounds like the kind of person who would rather have a string of small affairs more for the sex than anything else, or at most an LI who isn't really that close. Now that I think of it, that could be true for Miranda as well in that scenario. Another topic to talk about, I guess. One thing that contributes to their friendship could be that they both don't really want a romantic relationship.

[Elyvern]

Ahem...so yeah, my barf-worthy idea of how Miranda's infertility could be addressed and cured in ME3 without too much emotional ruminations or trivialisation. Solution: get her knocked up on the basis of "progressive damage" in the medical dossier. Have it happen after the romance conflict scene so it doesn't play a part in anyone's decision (unless you want to meta-game). Why I think that could be probable/improbable  -

Pros:
- doesn't require emotional wrangling over the infertility issue because this is involuntary and has a "solve it later" vibe
- gives the issue a certain amount of weight that doesn't end up trivialising it in an obvious way
- it gives her & Shepard one first/last chance to have a child, solves her infertility in a way
- it provides a twist no-one sees coming (I haven't seen anything remotely like that being mentioned anywhere)
- it adds a new stake to the end-fight, or heightens pathos to a bad ending

Cons:

- it doesn't exactly solve her infertility issue long-run, so in a sense, it does trivialises the real issue
- such a treatment feels like a narrative sledge-hammer, forcing an option on players that don't want kids or don't want them immediately
- it assumes that only players who romance Miranda care about wanting the issue resolved
- it's corny and cliche as hell

I very much prefer your option, Ieldra. Talking to squadmates, LIs, to finalise the epilogue. That is honestly the best way to avoid all the pitfalls in my (ugh) idea. But since we're dying for topics to talk about, I just figured I should throw this out since I couldn't stop my brain from going to logical conclusions. So what was the idea that popped into your head when you read my first post? It can't be as bad as this one, right?

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:14 .

[Ieldra]

Oh...I think I can give you a run for it. My first idea was to make it important to a personal sidequest that involves Miranda's father. I won't say any more except that it was an SF version of an ultra-cheesy, ultra-stereotypical romance plot element that I'd never want to see in any ME game.

Heh....all this just shows how desperate we are to have Miranda's infertility cured before the credits roll in ME3. One really bad idea after the other.... I agree the cons outweigh the pros in yours.

Much better to have after-the-end dialogues.

BTW: Grrr. The CDG forum is killing this thread.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[jtav]

Ugh. I hate that idea. As you say, it's corny, cliche, and a sledgehammer. One of the things I like about Miranda is her deliberate nature. This would be enough to make me want to terminate my one romance playthrough.

Ieldra, I think you may be right about this Shepard not having a LI. It makes sense to make her asexual. I'll redo her later. I kind of want to write fic about them, but I have no idea what to write. My big fear is that she'll look too much like my bloodthirsty Renegade.

Edit: Let me guess: there is already a Shepard/Miranda kid running around courtesy of Miranda's father.

Modifié par jtav, 16 novembre 2010 - 03:15 .

[Elyvern]

C'mon, Ieldra, spill it! What's your idea? I'm damn intrigued now.

I agree that there is more liberty at the CDG forum to talk about a whole lot of stuff + that seductive quality of being able to interact personally outside of the content confines of this thread, but this thread still represents our best chance at making ourselves heard to Bioware (the moderators do read every thread and compile lists of stuff they think developers ought to hear) and our best chance at reaching out to non-fans. So for all that, I'd rather we post "ground-breaking" ideas here before transferring it over to the CDG forum.

@jtav - I know! I was groaning when I thought of it. The worst thing is I definitely wouldn't put it beyond Bioware to implement something like this at all. DAO's Dark Ritual already screams all of cliche, corny, sledgehammer in every possible way. My worry about the likelihood of Ieldra's idea being implemented is it needs to be something that the developers feel would best serve *all* possible permutations for Shepard's story, not just this one. The plight of NPCs directly outside of Shepard's influence will only be a passing thought in any case. And it would have to be something they have in mind quite early in the game development, otherwise, it will not happen.

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 novembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[jtav]

I'm hoping they never mention her infertility again. Let players who want it cured imagine it was cured and those that don't want it cured can have her continue to be infertile.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

I'm hoping they never mention her infertility again. Let players who want it cured imagine it was cured and those that don't want it cured can have her continue to be infertile.

You wouldn't like it if people could select their own version in that aftermath dialogue I mentioned? The option to ignore it would probably exist....

[jtav]

That would be fine, Ieldra.

On a lighter note, and because I'm about to start writing actual romance content, how do you think Miranda would react to being on the receiving end of a "If you ever do anything to hurt her..." speech?

Modifié par jtav, 16 novembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[Gethforceone]

What makes you all think that her infertility will ever be brought up at all?

[Ieldra]

Gethforceone wrote...
What makes you all think that her infertility will ever be brought up at all?

Actually, we don't think that it will, necessarily. But to leave a problem hanging that could be important for some players' imagined future doesn't sound like a good idea. The dossier is inconsistent enough to raise more questions than it answers. So some of us think that it should be brought up again in a minor way. Some think that it shouldn't  and be left completely to our imagination. 

[Gethforceone]

Whats so inconsistent about it?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, I think you may be right about this Shepard not having a LI. It makes sense to make her asexual. I'll redo her later. I kind of want to write fic about them, but I have no idea what to write. My big fear is that she'll look too much like my bloodthirsty Renegade.

I have a neutral Shepard I played as being driven to make Renegade decisions by desperate necessity. She doesn't like having to make those decisions at all, but she still does. I think that kind of mindset may suit your Shepard, while preventing her from becoming bloodthirsty.