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[Ieldra]

Gethforceone wrote...
Whats so inconsistent about it?

Mainly that it's not believable that such a simple problem as a "benign neoplasm" (I almost wrote "benighted neoplasm", lol) can't be cured by late 22nd century technology, or that it, even were it irreversible, would prevent Miranda from having a biological child by artificial means. If you want all the details, we have collected the relevant information in the Miranda Lawson FAQ (scroll down to part IV).

[jtav]

Ieldra, your neutral Shepard sounds exactly how I envision Aliana. She'll be leaving David with Archer and getting very drunk afterward. It's not that she enjoys what she does. It's just that no one else will do it.



She sounds like Miranda's perfect match, I think.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, your neutral Shepard sounds exactly how I envision Aliana. She'll be leaving David with Archer and getting very drunk afterward. It's not that she enjoys what she does. It's just that no one else will do it.

She sounds like Miranda's perfect match, I think.

A perfect match indeed. I think I'll play my Louise Shepard in a very similar way, if I can manage to stay away from Kaidan. I doubt I'll manage to leave David with Overlord, though.

BTW, isn't it funny how people talk so much about romances that playing the game with the idea of a non-romantic close relationship seems like a new and shiny idea?

[jtav]

I've got serious doubts about whether I'll be able to Renegade Overlord, considering that I can't help but put myself in David's position.



It is funny. I thought about doing this as a MaleShep and romancing her but it didn't feel right. Regardless, I'm really enjoying playing this Shepard. Platonic love never gets the credit it deserves. I think I've found my canon Shep.

[Elyvern]

It's really hard to imagine something that has absolutely no existing framework. God, I miss DAO so much for all its friendship options. The fact that DAO writers could even think of topics for widly disparate characters like Morrigan and Sten, Morrigan and Leliana to talk about is just...amazing. I sincerely hope ME3 goes that direction. I actually did toy with the idea of writing a series of vignettes about Miranda interacting with all the ME2 characters, similar to the way I wrote her friendship with Mordin, but it would take too much of my time and detract from my current fic.

Edit: and if they added friendship paths for all the LIs, heck I may even feel more compelled to play from the POV of femshep!

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:12 .

[jtav]

I enjoy playing FemShep. I attribute part of my dislike of the romance to not being able to do it as a female. MaleShep feels wrong. I think I'll take Kasumi along for the other slot. It'll be like Charlie's Angels.

[Elyvern]

My god, I never thought of that. O.o



Damn, jtav, you may have just given me the best reason to go through my femshep playthrough!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I enjoy playing FemShep. I attribute part of my dislike of the romance to not being able to do it as a female. MaleShep feels wrong. I think I'll take Kasumi along for the other slot. It'll be like Charlie's Angels.

Yes! My Insanity run was like that. Engineer Rani Shepard, Miranda and Kasumi as the "Amazon Brigade", which I only changed for missions with specialized requirements and of course the LMs.

Strangely, though I'm male, I have a similar dislike of maleShep, mostly because of his dialogue and the way he delivers his lines. I only play him because I can romance Miranda that way. To re-imagine him as I want him is hard mental work.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[jtav]

Aliana is an Adept, but other than that... Oh, this is going to be fun. There might even be fic out of this. I trust that's welcome?



And Persistence should be ready soon.

[Ieldra]

New fics are always welcome. I fear I have to take a break from my writing - I had put so much pressure on myself that writing ceased to be fun. And of course, that's why I got almost nothing done in the last few weeks. So then, my next chapters will be done....when they're done. Perhaps I shouldn't have tried to work on two stories in parallel. I hope releasing the pressure will rekindle my inspiration.



Looking forward to Persistence of Memory.

[Elyvern]

Hmm...Ieldra, did you get that link I sent you about the MA fic?

[jtav]

I'm doing an exchange so chapters 4+ will be delayed. Miranda/Liara was one of the things I asked for, so we'll see if I get it and whether my writer will kill me. I probably won't be asked to write Mass Effect, but I have offered to write several other things.

[enayasoul]

Elyvern wrote...

Ahem...so yeah, my barf-worthy idea of how Miranda's infertility could be addressed and cured in ME3 without too much emotional ruminations or trivialisation. Solution: get her knocked up on the basis of "progressive damage" in the medical dossier. Have it happen after the romance conflict scene so it doesn't play a part in anyone's decision (unless you want to meta-game). Why I think that could be probable/improbable  -

Pros:
- doesn't require emotional wrangling over the infertility issue because this is involuntary and has a "solve it later" vibe
- gives the issue a certain amount of weight that doesn't end up trivialising it in an obvious way
- it gives her & Shepard one first/last chance to have a child, solves her infertility in a way
- it provides a twist no-one sees coming (I haven't seen anything remotely like that being mentioned anywhere)
- it adds a new stake to the end-fight, or heightens pathos to a bad ending

Cons:

- it doesn't exactly solve her infertility issue long-run, so in a sense, it does trivialises the real issue
- such a treatment feels like a narrative sledge-hammer, forcing an option on players that don't want kids or don't want them immediately
- it assumes that only players who romance Miranda care about wanting the issue resolved
- it's corny and cliche as hell

I very much prefer your option, Ieldra. Talking to squadmates, LIs, to finalise the epilogue. That is honestly the best way to avoid all the pitfalls in my (ugh) idea. But since we're dying for topics to talk about, I just figured I should throw this out since I couldn't stop my brain from going to logical conclusions. So what was the idea that popped into your head when you read my first post? It can't be as bad as this one, right?

Are you saying, you want Miranda to be pregnant...?   That she didn't think she would be according to the medical memo?  She thought she was infertile?

Trying to wrap my brain aroudn what you are suggesting...  even if you think it's a barf idea.  I see potential...

I kind of like the unexpected twist that happens... and the stakes to be higher.... makes it more interesting.

Having them choose to have one now, that they might not be able to later. That would be interesting.  hard decision.

Right now, in my fic, Miranda is doing or beginning to think emotionally about kids because of Shepard's comment he joked about.   She is thinking she needs to deal with this problem, she hasn't even told shepard about her infertility.  She kicks herself for not taking care of this issue sooner...

(I've also entertained the idea that she went and checked herself out after the suicide mission.  Or she knew before... she couldn't get pregnant and did nothing about her problem...)  *shrugs*

Should the tumor be treated would she still be able to naturally conceive? 

I haven't worked out all the details... still sorting it all out myself in my mind. 

[Elyvern]

Uhh...I meant the above as one of the ways ME3 could address her infertility issue. It was just an idea I thought I'd toss out. It doesn't represent what I want, because personally I find it extremely cheesy and stereotypical, except we've established Bioware isn't above cheese or stereotypes.

Should the tumor be treated would she still be able to naturally conceive? 

I wouldn't go into details if I were you. That dossier is riddled with scientific inconsistencies. Any proper attempt to detail how this could be cured would just end you up in more inconsistencies. For example technically, a benign tumour removed at an early stage should pre-empt further damage. But then it goes on to suggest adoption as seemingly the only alternative available. Ugh...

Modifié par Elyvern, 16 novembre 2010 - 10:32 .

[enayasoul]

Elyvern wrote...

Uhh...I meant the above as one of the ways ME3 could address her infertility issue. It was just an idea I thought I'd toss out. It doesn't represent what I want, because personally I find it extremely cheesy and stereotypical, except we've established Bioware isn't above cheese or stereotypes.

Should the tumor be treated would she still be able to naturally conceive? 

I wouldn't go into details if I were you. That dossier is riddled with scientific inconsistencies. Any proper attempt to detail how this could be cured would just end you up in more inconsistencies. For example technically, a benign tumour removed at an early stage should pre-empt further damage. But then it goes on to suggest adoption as seemingly the only alternative available. Ugh...

Yes....!  I know!  It's freaking nuts!!! hahaha. It makes no sense.   That's what I thought when I started doing real research. Take out the problem and everything should be okay.

[enayasoul]

as a side note: In DA:O the whole having sex with their undergarments on, was very cheesy!!! I love the game but I guess I expect it to be at least somewhat believable and real??!

Modifié par enayasoul, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Prudii Aden]

I'd apply a certain amount of Handwavium - don't get bogged down in the details because, as Elyvern says, you may end up with more hassle than it's worth. Getting Mordin involved and not showing what happens in between that and it being fixed also gives you a chance to concentrate on the implications of Miranda and Mordin entering seclusion for some unspecified (to Shepard) reason.

[Prudii Aden]

@Enayasoul - I'm guessing you're aware of the Dragon age mod site http://www.dragonagenexus.com - I'd suggest you look up Natural Bodies there.

[enayasoul]

Prudii Aden wrote...

I'd apply a certain amount of Handwavium - don't get bogged down in the details because, as Elyvern says, you may end up with more hassle than it's worth. Getting Mordin involved and not showing what happens in between that and it being fixed also gives you a chance to concentrate on the implications of Miranda and Mordin entering seclusion for some unspecified (to Shepard) reason.

Yeah, I was thinking of a montage of images, with them working together, (miranda, and mordin), no real medical information revealed,  a few minor questions here and there but mostly non talking descriptions...maybe with a song... or something.  Like someone watches them briefly you know?


Umm, nope, I didn't use any mods. My DA:O is on the PS3. 

Modifié par enayasoul, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:11 .

[jtav]

Quick question: could Miranda technically be charged with treason for her Cerberus affiliation? I'm aware it would never happen. Shepard's just musing on the irony of working for Cerberus.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

Quick question: could Miranda technically be charged with treason for her Cerberus affiliation? I'm aware it would never happen. Shepard's just musing on the irony of working for Cerberus.

Couldn't everyone in Cerberus be charged with treason against the Alliance?

I would think so...that's my belief at least.

[enayasoul]

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Quick question: could Miranda technically be charged with treason for her Cerberus affiliation? I'm aware it would never happen. Shepard's just musing on the irony of working for Cerberus.

Couldn't everyone in Cerberus be charged with treason against the Alliance?

I would think so...that's my belief at least.

I'd have to agree!

[Prudii Aden]

jtav wrote...

Quick question: could Miranda technically be charged with treason for her Cerberus affiliation? I'm aware it would never happen. Shepard's just musing on the irony of working for Cerberus.

Technically, yes - however, if Shepard is still a Spectre, well I'm sure he/she can come up with something that will sort it - after all, aren't Spectres near as spit above the law? He's been investigating the disappearing colonies/infiltrating Cerberus/insert plausible bullsh*t story here...

[jtav]

It's just a throwaway line. C-Sec doesn't have a warrant for her arrest or anything.



I feel sorry for this Shepard. She's just trying to do as best she can for galactic stability with the information she has and it keeps backfiring. It's making her bitter and this idealist resent that Paragon-ing works better even in cases where it shouldn't. I find Overlord repulsive, but it's terribly convenient that it's unnecessary.

[t3HPrO]

I dislike manShep even though I'm a guy myself, mainly due to his cringe-worthy voiceacting and his rape face during Miri's romance dialog. So I go the way of Gibbed to get femShep with Miranda. And I enjoy playing the 'goddesses of death and destruction' team that comprises Vanguard Megan Shepard, Miranda and Samara. The alternative one is Megan, Miranda and Legion. So it's something like 'two girls, one robot.'