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[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think this Miranda-ized picture of Yvonne Strahovski should be posted here:

ZOMG WHERE'D YOU GET THAT?!!! I WANT!!!

LOL. I found it on another forum. But guessing from the reaction, this might deserve a place in the OP. What do you think?

@t3HPrO:
Not my work. My Photoshop skills are almost nonexistent.

This is SO OP material. Do it!

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Elyvern wrote...
@MsSihaKatieKrios - I keep getting the feeling you totally missed out on a number of points while reading my fic and then find alot of things incomprehensible because of it.  

Let me clarify: Miranda and Shepard haven't seen each other in years. This isn't the couple that we see at the end of ME2. They've both been through life and (near) death independent of each other. They walked different paths for 5 years with only the knowledge of each other for solace. In this war, their personal relationship took a backseat because they had to do what must be done. They're traumatised people, but struggling to hide it, struggling to become normal humans again. Against that backdrop, nothing can be normal. 

What is love for one person, when Shepard's hands is awashed with the blood of billions? Where was Shepard when Miranda broke down in depression after Mordin's death and saw the Reapers winning? There is actually a hint of suicide when Miranda injected herself with the nanites. She literally saw no other way out, she was at that low a point in her life. I'd also like to say I'm not done yet, you don't know what else happened to them since it's in the later chapters. But my point is when they needed each other most, they didn't have that support and were forced to go alone into darkness.

It feels like you're discounting all of that and wanting them to continue their relationship after that as if NOTHING has happened. It doesn't work that way...

The premise is both of them have changed, and they need to rediscover each other again. It's what's written in the summary even. My portrayal of Miranda already pushes her further along both the paragon and emotional scale. She cries twice in the 1st chapter, including one episode of outright sobbing. Yet all you saw was her acting robotic towards Shepard, I don't know what to say really.

Oops sorry, my apologies, I forgot to say I didn't have much of an issue with anything else besides New Canton Miranda. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just curl up in this corner with my Thane plushie and take 40 winks...

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Elyvern wrote...

Something less divisive to talk about. Strahovski and Jen Hale have both been nominated for best female voice performance in the Spike TV VGA. So let's talk about Miranda's in-game lines where you feel best exemplify Miranda and moments where Strahovski's voice work really shines out for you.
In terms of voice-acting aptitude and skill, I love her flustered dialogue after the renegade kiss scene. It's extremely hard to stutter spontaneously and convincingly, but she does it marvelously there. And "Stop smiling, damnit!" was the crowning icing on the whole cake for me.

2 scenes seal it for me. The 'stop smiling', which never fails to make me giggle like a schoolgirl(well, I'm technically one, seeing that I'm still in school, albeit university), and during Oriana's rescue mission where she explains about Oriana and her age. I also have a 'total Miranda facepalm moment', which happens when she drops that dumb 'or 2 in your case' line on Lazarus, which always makes me facewall so bad it actually hurts.

[t3HPrO]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@t3HPrO:
Not my work. My Photoshop skills are almost nonexistent.

Heh. Mine are pretty crappy, even though I'm in Architecture where they train us how to use Photoshop to do presentations. You know those huge-ass boards they put up during exhibitions? Those are 120% Photoshopped.

[Ieldra]

Here's a question I'd like to throw into the arena:



What, do you think, does that "advancement of humanity" goal of Cerberus mean to Miranda? What would that entail in her opinion, and why would she regard this as a worthwhile goal to use her considerable talents for?

[jtav]

Increased military, economic, and political power for humanity on the galactic stage. She doesn't want us forced to depend on the Council race or subordinate our interests to theirs. I suspect her ideal is something like the situation of the US between the fall of the USSR and 9/11. The most powerful group, but not a formal empire. She strikes me as highly cynical, expecting cooperation only as long as it furthers the other party's self-interest. Cerberus can make humanity stronger and therefore less likely to be betrayed.

[philiposophy]

I think Miranda wants humanity to have a state that is an economic and military superpower. At the moment, the top dog is the turians and Miranda wants humanity to have that spot.

I don't believe she wants human isolationism as per something akin to the Monroe Doctrine, but I believe she supports a form of autarky, so that while humanity gains from cooperating and trading with others, they can survive perfectly fine without.

In short, self reliance and the ability in economic and political clout to get their way in council relations.

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...


This is SO OP material. Do it!

Done. Find it under the regular Yvonne Strahovski picture.

[Ieldra]

And Miranda for a comparison to the above:







BTW....not so many answers to my question above. Nobody else interested in getting into Miranda's head? Or does everyone agree with jtav and philiposophy?

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...


This is SO OP material. Do it!

Done. Find it under the regular Yvonne Strahovski picture.

wow!!!  :happy:  I can't stop looking at this photo and the similarities and wondered what's she'd look like with that beautiful dark hair.  Is that a black dress???  Miranda is definately gonna be wearing something like this on her "off duty" time in my fic.  

Now, set as a desktop background.  Does anyone else look at various photos while writing? Trying to get into the character's brain and what they are thinking??? Facial expressions.

Anyways, I think Miranda would be all for the advancement of humanity.  Why else would she support Cerberus's ideals.  I don't necessary like the idea of them experimenting on people...to advance those goals however.

I agree with Jtav's comments as well.  I don't think we should have to rely on anyone but ourselves but we can't be arrogant or thinking we are all powerful either.  There has to be some kind of balance.  The counsel seat might provide that.  

Modifié par enayasoul, 23 novembre 2010 - 10:00 .

[fongiel24]

I mostly agree with what jtav and phil said. The ultimate goal is for the Alliance to occupy a position similar to that of the United States in the 1950s and 1960s, when it had the most prosperous and productive economy in the world by a huge margin while also possessing the military strength to stand up against two (or even three) major opponents.

I disagree on the point about autarky though. I think Miranda's comments about aliens seem to indicate she sees a lot of value in learning and interacting with the aliens and she would consider autarky to be a worst-case scenario. Autarky is rarely a good strategy in real life anyway, even for countries that can realistically sustain it (such as Canada) because of the gains to be had from specialization. Aiming for autarky also requires that a state pour massive amounts of resources into self-sufficiency measures, resources that are often better spent making a state more competitive so that it doesn't have to resort to autarky.

Modifié par fongiel24, 23 novembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[philiposophy]

I mentioned autarky because I believe that Miranda's ideal human superpower would be the type that could, in cases of severe disagreement, threaten to pull up the drawbridge knowing that others would be desperate for them not to do this while they could feasibly do it without causing any kind of internal crisis.

[fongiel24]

That makes sense. "Autarky" is just kind of a dirty word for me due to its connection to laughably fruitless attempts by authoritarian states like North Korea to attain completely self-sufficiency.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont think that Miranda wants humanity to pull away and act by itself.



She is impressed with Illium, and talks almost in awe about Mordin and his time in the STG. She wants a strong humanity, but one that is still integrated and connected to the rest of the galaxy.



I did really like how she says that she does not like how Cerberus just seems to attract anti-alien people to much. Which seems odd since no one on the Normandy expresses anti-alien sentiment. The closest is Gardener, but thats more gung-ho lets get er done than anti-alien when he talks.

[hooahguy]

Kinda off topic:

Has anyone seen last nights episode of "Chuck"? Its amazing! I really saw some Miri in Yvonne in that episode!

[enayasoul]

hooahguy wrote...

Kinda off topic:
Has anyone seen last nights episode of "Chuck"? Its amazing! I really saw some Miri in Yvonne in that episode!

I did! It was fantastic!

[t3HPrO]

I feel that Miranda still wants humanity to be intergrated into galatic society with the other races, but she wants humanity in a leading position. Also, I haven't seen any xeno-phobia displayed by members of Cerberus...yet. And when people say Miranda is a xenophobe just because she's with Cerberus, I just LOL at their moronicism(hey, new word!) and point them in the direction of Ashley, my fav LI from ME1 who is the closest thing we have to a xenophobe, but still not a xenophobe.

[Giggles_Manically]

Mordin is the closest to an outright racist person of any squadmate.

Grunt as well it seems.

[fongiel24]

How is Mordin a racist? He doesn't even blame the krogan for the Krogan Rebellions. He actually argues against their total sterilization when Shepard brings it upbecause he believes that despite their violent nature there are "outliers". The only thing he holds against them is being uplifted by the salarians before they were ready.

[Nightwriter]

Mordin is not a racist.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:11 .

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...
I feel that Miranda still wants humanity to be intergrated into galatic society with the other races, but she wants humanity in a leading position.

I'm not sure how integrated Miranda wants humanity to be, but she's definitely for working together with the other species, as evidenced by her comments that humanity can learn a lot from the asari.

Also, I haven't seen any xeno-phobia displayed by members of Cerberus...yet.

Not in the game, and not from TIM, but in the books there are two pretty bad examples.

And when people say Miranda is a xenophobe just because she's with Cerberus, I just LOL at their moronicism(hey, new word!) and point them in the direction of Ashley, my fav LI from ME1 who is the closest thing we have to a xenophobe, but still not a xenophobe.

Did anyone really say Miranda is a racist? There is compelling in-game evidence that she isn't, after all (see above), so any such claim can be dismissed out of hand. I would agree about Ashley, who I also like, except for her comment on the Citadel in ME1 that she can't distinguish the animals from the aliens. I had never heard her saying that, so it was pretty disappointing to hear people confirm that she does indeed say that.

All in all, people are much too ready to accuse anyone of racism. Much easier to stereotype them than to look what exactly they're saying. Mordin? When he laughs at the idea of a krogan scientist he's saying pretty much nothing but the truth, in spite of exceptions like Okeer. The krogan species isn't particularly wired for the mindset of a scientist.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:15 .

[Ieldra]

Here's my take on the "advancement of humanity" Miranda might have in her mind:

All that has been said so far - relative self-sufficiency, the status of an informal, non-empire-like superpower etc. - would certainly be included, but I have to ask: is that all? This is all so mundane that it hardly merits the term "advancement". There is no increased quality in it. Here are some examples of what I think would be meaningful advancements:

(1) Use the knowledge gained in the Lazarus project to triple the human life span.
(2) Find an easy way to make human biotics without the high risks of death all current methods entail.
(3) Find a way to adapt human biology to marginal planets, so more planets can be colonized.

Miranda has a scientific mindset. She'd think that political and economic primacy would ensure continued survival, which is also on the Cerberus agenda as a prerequisite for anything else, but that real advancement is something more. She'd be more careful about implementing any of the above than TIM would ever be, and she wouldn't support the kind of experiments Cerberus became infamous for, but it would be on the agenda and very much present in her mind nonetheless.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 novembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[fongiel24]

I think I read somewhere that much of the human race still lives in relative poverty on Earth, having experienced few of the technological benefits that saw humanity go from a species ignorant of everything outside its home system to a major galactic power in the span of just a few decades. Finding some way to increase the Alliance's economic output and productivity so these benefits could be brought to the rest of humanity would qualify as advancement in my books.



For decades politicians in our time have been talking about eradicating poverty. What if Miranda and Cerberus' efforts made this possible? That would be a far more impressive feat than tripling the human life span, IMO.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
I think I read somewhere that much of the human race still lives in relative poverty on Earth, having experienced few of the technological benefits that saw humanity go from a species ignorant of everything outside its home system to a major galactic power in the span of just a few decades. Finding some way to increase the Alliance's economic output and productivity so these benefits could be brought to the rest of humanity would qualify as advancement in my books.

For decades politicians in our time have been talking about eradicating poverty. What if Miranda and Cerberus' efforts made this possible? That would be a far more impressive feat than tripling the human life span, IMO.

I've thought of that, but the plain truth is that poverty depends much too much on local political reality and distribution of wealth. That's something you can't just change without either imposing a social order or changing people's views. Also corruption would have to be reduced significantly before any of the usual measures can have any effect. A politician's task in any case, and Miranda is no politician.

Also, *eradication* of poverty is an utopian goal, and Miranda is too much a realist. I very much doubt the problem even occupies a prominent place in her mind.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 novembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[philiposophy]

Miranda would not just be concerned with making human biotics safer, but also removing the social stigma that hangs over them.