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[t3HPrO]

Speaking of Miranda's father, my new chapter in my fic has her meeting up with him, and it's revealed Miranda's made a big mistake about Oriana.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...
I've got a new question: if her father dies, how do you think Miranda would feel? Relief? Would there be a sense of regret? Or even a tinge of kinship that may compel her to mourn for him a little despite all she thinks he has done to her?

All of the above, depending on circumstance.

I think when her father dies, that will be one of the most emotionally compley moments of her life. At first, there will be relief. The pressure is gone, the need to keep herself and Oriana protected from him doesn't exist any more. With the pressure gone, there will be space for other emotions to surface. She may realize her gifts are finally her own (perhaps she'll even realize they've always been). There will be regret that things couldn't have been different. For all he's done, he was her father and without him she wouldn't exist. Some thoughts would enter her mind about how things in the galaxy would have been different if he hadn't made her. Perhaps she'll be a little annoyed with herself, too, for that it's taken his death for her to break free.
Kinship and mourning is a little more difficult. If she's accepted that she and her sister may represent some kind of advancement for humanity, however painful he'd made the way they grew up, then she might feel some kinship. If there is some indication that he regarded her as a daughter on some level after all and not only as a tool, that he had some love for her, however hidden or twisted it might have been, there may be some reason for mourning. In your scenario, he might have realized at some time that his legacy would live on even if not under his direct control, and that might have been the reason he didn't try to capture Oriana or Miranda again. I like to imagine that he came to regret some of what he'd done before his death. If that was the case, Miranda might regret that there was no chance for them to speak with each other before he died.

I think that was it. At least that's roughly how I'd write it. You could make it a less complex moment, but that wouldn't do its importance justice.

@t3HPrO:
Your take on Oriana is unique, but you could have asked before copying my abduction scenario and making porn of it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 novembre 2010 - 03:55 .

[Prudii Aden]

I think Miranda would mourn him a little - he bring her into the world, if nothing else! She might even mourn the fact that she never got to know him, adult to adult, but any more than that? I don't know. Your mileage may vary.

[Xilizhra]

Hmmm. Do the people here feel that there would have been any justification for Shepard siding against Miranda during her loyalty mission, if there was a possibility of her being wrong about her father/Oriana?

[Elyvern]

Thanks, Ieldra, Prudii. I wish I'd asked this question earlier. I've sort of blinded myself to alot of things you mentioned. Back to reivisions.

[t3HPrO]

@Ieldra2

Uh, what? I'm lost.

[t3HPrO]

@Ieldra2

Oh right, your fic, which I completely have no recollection of. My bad, and no, it wasn't ripped from your fic. One of my readers suggested it to me, and I decided to run with it, so put down the pitchfork please.

[t3HPrO]

On an unrelated note, do any of you think that Miranda will get jaded(if she isn't already) of her job?  

[Ieldra]

@t3HPrO:
I'm generally not at all possessive about my scenario - after all, if many people use it it sort of becomes some unofficial canon. But seeing it turned into porn leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not exactly fond of scenarios where rape is written to titillate in the first place.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 novembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
Hmmm. Do the people here feel that there would have been any justification for Shepard siding against Miranda during her loyalty mission, if there was a possibility of her being wrong about her father/Oriana?

No. The way Miranda's father went about things was indication enough that he wasn't going to give Oriana a choice. If Miranda had been wrong about Oriana and her father, there would've been a number of things he could've done. Sending mercs sends me the message that Miranda is right.

[Ieldra]

t3HPrO wrote...
On an unrelated note, do any of you think that Miranda will get jaded(if she isn't already) of her job?  

It doesn't look like she is in ME2. But it's certainly possible that she'll become jaded. I wouldn't write her that way, because I like her idealism regarding the advancement of humanity, but she's been through a lot and that may leave its mark on her as time progresses.

[tommyt_1994]

Ieldra2 wrote...



@tommyt:
I like that expression. Which scene is it from?

Right before the engine scene. I kept pausing and un-pausing as often as possible to try and catch a new expression and that was the result.

[Ieldra]

And another new screenshot from the opening scene:

[t3HPrO]

@Ieldra2

Uh, I never wrote the rape scene to titillate. There's a difference between being descriptive and being erotic.

[enayasoul]

Elyvern wrote...

I've got a new question: if her father dies, how do you think Miranda would feel? Relief? Would there be a sense of regret? Or even a tinge of kinship that may compel her to mourn for him a little despite all she thinks he has done to her?

Yeah, I think she would feel relief.  Not sure if she would mourn him.  Maybe? Maybe wish he was really a father that loved her than being totally stuck on his own selfish needs/ways.  She seems to hate her father for whatever he did to her.   Maybe she knew he order all those tests to make her biotic? AND maybe it was very painful to experience as a child.   I cannot bare to see a child in pain or sick.  I hate to think he was a sick pervert. I really do. That would make me mad. Too many of them in the world.

I hope they(bioware) tells us more about her relationship with her father so she can deal with the bastard and move on with her life.  So Oriana and Miranda can feel safe from his greedy hands.

I've entertained the idea to deal with him in my fic.  Not sure about what. Maybe why he did all those experiments. or why he didn't love her, kept her sheltered from others.   You would think they would have to eventually deal with this issue(s) right?  I can only speculate who he might be but there are a few companies that seem to keep popping up.

Do you think she would find some satisfaction if it was her that put the bullet in his head.  I think I'd actually let her do it.  Or make him suffer a little.

Modifié par enayasoul, 28 novembre 2010 - 12:47 .

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
Do you think she would find some satisfaction if it was her that put the bullet in his head.  I think I'd actually let her do it.  Or make him suffer a little.

It would depend on his behavior in the scene, but in general I think she would feel conflicted about killing him. If she did it, she wouldn't draw it out except by her own hesitation. One bullet and it's done.

@t3HPrO:
If the decriptiveness evokes erotic images, and the emotional content is not strong enough to counter them, then the scene will come across as erotic. I'd say if it this was not your intention, then you failed. Not that you're the only one, most fanfic writers would. This problem is the the reason why many writers avoid being too explicit in such scenes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 novembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[AresXX7]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm looking for interesting scenarios to cure or circumvent Miranda's infertility in a fanfic. Any ideas?

It's not the technical stuff I'm looking for, but a reasonable non-cliché plot around it that's set after ME2. I'm guessing that there will be time between the end of ME2 and the start of ME3. For one, I don't want to involve Shepard, but this is a timeline where attraction between them exists and has been acknowledged by both. Still, I want the emotional impact of that as much in the background as possible. Second, I'm looking for a good motivation for Miranda to have it removed now although she doesn't think of having children for the foreseeable future. It may be as simple as having the opportunity.

If you're still formulating ideas in your head, what about a scenario involving Oriana?

I don't know if it would fall deep into the realm of clichés. Something along the lines of Oriana being diagnosed with the same condition, but at an earlier stage, where more opportunities are feasible to cure it.  It could give both: an incentive to cure it as quickly as possible, to spare Oriana from enduring the same distress & present an opportunity for Miranda to be rid of the disease too, based on the findings.

Just a thought that popped into my head after reading your posts.

[Ieldra]

Thanks, Aries.



I think I'll go with the "stumble upon the opportunity while doing something else" scenario. That way I can get the emotional impact at the realization and still avoid the more stereotypical stuff.

[Ieldra]

Here's the information of the topics discussed about Miranda elsewhere in the last 24 hours:

1. Do we want Miranda to take over Cerberus in ME3, becoming the "Illusive Woman" and possibly reforming the organization along the lines of the salarian STG?

2. Is Miranda pretty? Why does she go into the Uncanny Valley so often in the game, when her model Yvonne Strahovski looks so stunningly beautiful? Are Bioware's animator's to blame?

3. What was the trigger that made Miranda finally run away from her father? Several fanfics have dealt with this is very different ways.

4. What exactly did Miranda's father mean with the "dynasty"? A dynasty distiguished by genetic traits will be completely absorbed into the general human gene pool within a few generations. So what was it?

5. Miranda's sex life. Does Miranda engage in unconventional sexual practices? Several fanfics exist, some of which I won't link here.

6. Debate about the claims in this thread. Mostly the Miranda/Jack conflict. Are the persuasion options that come down to "Kill each other later" really what we want to say?

I wish we could have a more structured character forum here. Topics vanish under subsequent posts about other topics, that's not good for a discussion.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 novembre 2010 - 09:20 .

[Zulu_DFA]

7. MIRANDA HACKED THE MECHS!!!

[t3HPrO]

Unconventional sexual practices? And what might that be?

[hooahguy]

Zulu, Your opinion is laughable. There is no hard evidence that she hacked them.

Modifié par hooahguy, 28 novembre 2010 - 11:15 .

[enayasoul]

hooahguy wrote...

Zulu, Your opinion is laughable. There is no hard evidence that she hacked them.

I believe 100% that Wilson did it. Who would shoot there own foot??? The mech sure didn't if Wilson was hiding be behind. *laughs*  Even Wilson not believing Shepard was still alive. All the evidence is there.

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's the information of the topics discussed about Miranda elsewhere in the last 24 hours:

1. Do we want Miranda to take over Cerberus in ME3, becoming the "Illusive Woman" and possibly reforming the organization along the lines of the salarian STG?

I am more inclined for Miranda to start her own organization. Cerberus has such a bad reputation.

2. Is Miranda pretty? Why does she go into the Uncanny Valley so often in the game, when her model Yvonne Strahovski looks so stunningly beautiful? Are Bioware's animator's to blame?

She is very pretty.   She's confident about her sex appeal.  I think we all need to be comfortable with ourselves.  She has beautiful blue eyes!  Goes great with dark hair.   I always wanted blue eyes but I have green and dark hair.  The lighting just sucks in some parts of the game for Miranda.

3. What was the trigger that made Miranda finally run away from her father? Several fanfics have dealt with this is very different ways.

I think it might have been a lot of things.  Experiments as a child? Could have been very hard. Difficult and probably even scary.   Not being loved.  No friends.  Maybe she learned what he was going to use her for whatever that was.   She wasn't happy and when she got brave enough, well she was probably put down, maybe?   Not sure what else but I want to find out!


4. What exactly did Miranda's father mean with the "dynasty"? A dynasty distiguished by genetic traits will be completely absorbed into the general human gene pool within a few generations. So what was it?

I don't really know.  Big family?  But keeping her isolated has me worried. It's not healthy.  And learning she was the first he kept has me hating her father... this use and discard. Grrr!

5. Miranda's sex life. Does Miranda engage in unconventional sexual practices? Several fanfics exist, some of which I won't link here.

I think she might experiment a little but I don't see her doing anything hard core.  I think she would like to have fun.  Do it in places that have a thrill maybe?  I think she would also have to trust her partner. I can see her being dominate in the seduction.  Maybe dominate, submissive to some extent.

6. Debate about the claims in this thread. Mostly the Miranda/Jack conflict. Are the persuasion options that come down to "Kill each other later" really what we want to say?

No.  I think they will have to deal with it when it comes up. I would hope they both forget about it and try to work together.  Come to some understanding. I think Jack needs to deal with her **** and not put the blame on others that might not have anything to do with it. 

I wish we could have a more structured character forum here. Topics vanish under subsequent posts about other topics, that's not good for a discussion.

[Ieldra]

@enyasoul:

ad 1: You may be right, but I like the "Illusive Woman" moniker. It so fits her.



ad 4: I think he wants to create a new human sub-species defined by having specific genetic traits (details on request). Other theories include that he wants to create natural human biotics, or something less far-reaching: that he just wanted the most capable daughter he could create to become his heir.



ad 5: I think you are spot on there