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[Ieldra]

hooahguy wrote...
Zulu, Your opinion is laughable. There is no hard evidence that she hacked them.

To play devil's advocate: there is also no hard evidence that Wilson hacked them. Though it's still more likely that the one who shot himself and actually was a traitor for all we know also hacked the mechs. Zulu's theory adds a whole plotline we have no evidence for.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

1. Nope, do not want. Cerberus is half-dead already anyways.

2. Oh yes, she is so pretty, and she's pretty much Aphrodite. Blame the graphics engine and BW's anims.

3. It probably isn't just one thing, it's most likely a combo of decades of abuse.

4. It's too open to say anything till we've got more info.

5. I can see her experimenting with some of the tamer stuff (i.e. kinky Kamasutra positions, which I myself do sometimes, soft BDSM (I can somehow see her as being the submissive one and not just a top), sex in kinky places like a shower room, and maybe a bit of exhibitionism), but orgies are probably outrageous. For the record, most of us women enjoy it when the man takes the lead in seducing us, so take note of this boys!

6. No, that's probably the worst thing ever to say. Actually, I think that they'll actually end up with a grudging respect for each other, and maybe, just maybe, friends.

7. That sounds so ridiculous it's not even funny anymore. Sorry if I sound harsh.

Modifié par MsSihaKatieKrios, 29 novembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

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Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 29 novembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[snfonseka]

Picture time!

[Ieldra]

That's a really nice piece of fan art, snfonseka. Thanks.

[jtav]

I don't believe Zulu's theory for the simple reason that Bioware hasn't been subtle about their traitors since Yoshimo. I would have liked it if she turned on me. It would have hurt.

[philiposophy]

Even if Zulu's theory is true, Miranda wouldn't have turned on you. The idea that she hacked the mechs is that it was her way of cleaning house and making sure Shepard was up to scratch. Deceitful and dastardly, yes. Treacherous, no. Of course this assumes the theory has truth to it, which I doubt highly.

[Zulu_DFA]

I'm the devil now, lol!



Would you guys find it more believable/acceptable if I told you that it was Amistan Banes who hacked the mechs, thus reducing Miranda from the role of the queen to a light piece, being manipulated too into believing Wilson did it?

[AdmiralCheez]

@Zulu:

[Zulu_DFA]

@ AdmiralCheez



... and that would mean...

[Pinkflamingo22]

@ zulu



I'm sick of hearing this.

Wilson did it. He worked for the shadow broker.... did you play LOtSB at all? It says it at one of the terminals after you beat him.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Zulu: It's my reaction to most of your conspiracy theories. No offense, but I have no idea where you come up with this stuff.



ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE: Here's to hoping Miranda's outfit isn't so tight in ME3 (if she returns), so her character finally outshines her ass.

[Zulu_DFA]

@ Pinkflamingo22



MIRANDA HACKED THE MECHS!!!



Go effing read the first line there!



Yes, I played the LotSB and unlike you took notice that the Shadow Broker was withholding action against Cerberus, because he wanted Shepard fully functional. Maybe even moreso than TIM himself, who was mostly interested in learning why the Collectors wanted Shepard so badly (See Redemption). So, if anything, the LotSB only confirmed that Wilson did not hack the mechs.

[Ieldra]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE: Here's to hoping Miranda's outfit isn't so tight in ME3 (if she returns), so her character finally outshines her ass.

Very much this. Read the wishlist in the OP and you'll find it. Too bad it's unlikely they'll take our wishlist into account.

[Pinkflamingo22]

@ zulu



I read all the books, (half of redemption) and I believe you meant see retribution, as redemption is about anderson and retribution is the newest one. Regardless, there is no proof of Miranda releasing the mechs.



You sound like a creationist, trying to shove what you believe even when is goes against facts.



Fact 1- Wilson is a traitor. We both agree? Good.



Fact 2- Wilson knew where Miranda was the whole time and thought she had died.



Fact 3- While Wilson didn't have security mech clearence he did somehow get down to them. When Jacob asks about it Wilson avoids the question and claims he is trying to fix the problem. He never reveals how he got in to begin with.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Ieldra2: OH YEAH OP HURR DURR. Hm, that is a damn fine wishlist. I agree with everything on it. To be honest, I am not a Miranda fan, but I see a lot of potential in her character, potential that was unfortunately nerfed by ridiculous dress and camera angles. Like most sensible people, I prefer personality over looks, and facial features over butt and boobage. Really, Bioware, don't assume that your fanbase is a bunch of shallow, horny teenagers. It's insulting.

Heh. Ass-ume.

(On another side note, Miranda's damn useful: warp and overload on one squadmate? With a bonus to squad health/weapons? I dragged her everywhere just for that.)

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 29 novembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

@ zulu

I read all the books, (half of redemption) and I believe you meant see retribution, as redemption is about anderson and retribution is the newest one.

Redemption is a comic about Liara acquiring Shepard from the Shadow Broker. *Spoilers* In part one, TIM explicitly says like I've said, that he is more concerned about the Collectors' interest in Shepard's remains, than about the alleged death of Commander Shepard. In part 4, Feron reveals that he's been working for TIM, and deliberately interfered with Liara's first attempt to grab Shepard, because his mission was to infiltrate the Shadow Broker's base (another one) and find out more about his dealings with the Collectors. *End of spoilers*

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Fact 2- Wilson knew where Miranda was the whole time and thought she had died.

This is one glorious self-contradiction.

But in eany case, Miranda didn't allow him to finish and we'll never know what he thought Miranda was. "Dead" is her word, not Wilson's.

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Fact 3- While Wilson didn't have security mech clearence he did somehow get down to them. When Jacob asks about it Wilson avoids the question and claims he is trying to fix the problem. He never reveals how he got in to begin with.

And this incriminates him how?

[Pinkflamingo22]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Redemption is a comic about Liara acquiring Shepard from the Shadow Broker. *Spoilers* In part one, TIM explicitly says like I've said, that he is more concerned about the Collectors' interest in Shepard's remains, than about the alleged death of Commander Shepard. In part 4, Feron reveals that he's been working for TIM, and deliberately interfered with Liara's first attempt to grab Shepard, because his mission was to infiltrate the Shadow Broker's base (another one) and find out more about his dealings with the Collectors. *End of spoilers*

This is true. I own and have read Redemption. My mistake for mixing up the titles. This is true that in TIM is very interested in why the collectors want Shepard. However, why would TIM bring Shepard back to life if he didn't feel he needed him, or if he didn't care about his death?

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Fact 2- Wilson knew where Miranda was the whole time and thought she had died.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
This is one glorious self-contradiction.

But in eany case, Miranda didn't allow him to finish and we'll never know what he thought Miranda was. "Dead" is her word, not Wilson's.

Wilson says "theres no way she survived" he also says "shes either dead... or a traitor"

here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5ZedeqDzg

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Fact 3- While Wilson didn't have security mech clearence he did somehow get down to them. When Jacob asks about it Wilson avoids the question and claims he is trying to fix the problem. He never reveals how he got in to begin with.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And this incriminates him how?

during that video I just posted, Wilson immediatly starts by defending himself, Jacob says "we didn't ask what you were doing" addressing the fact no one asked him. He then never answers any questions straight forward, he also saw Miranda.

I have dismissed your claims

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Modifié par Pinkflamingo22, 29 novembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
However, why would TIM bring Shepard back to life if he didn't feel he needed him, or if he didn't care about his death?

To find out more about why the Collectors want him? To use him as bait? To have an upper hand against them and the Shadow Broker, while making them think they have the upper hand?

But of course, there are some bonus uses for living Shepard: PR, reaching out to the Galaxy and recruiting people who otherwise would be unlikely to work for Cerberus...

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Wilson says "theres no way she survived" he also says "shes either dead... or a traitor"

OK, but both things are assumptions / attempts to manipulate Jacob&Shepard, disguised as inferrences. They do not indicate that he really thought so.

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...
Wilson immediatly starts by defending himself, Jacob says "we didn't ask what you were doing" addressing the fact no one asked him. He then never answers any questions straight forward, he also saw Miranda.

Again, this incriminates him how?

There is no solid evidence for either version.

But you, mirandologists, don't stop to astonish me. First, in the matter of Miranda's age you go by the "official page", which is clearly erronneous and neglected, and which is all about product promotion and not in-game canon. And in doing so you go so far as to claim that the in-game canon timeline is wrong...

Now you shoot yourself in the foot by sticking with the "Wilson did it" crowd. Because had Wilson done it, it would only have meant that Cerberus was inept, and Miranda was twice as inept. First time she would have been inept because she went to work for an inept organization, and the second time she would've been inept, because she endangered the project which was her direct responsibility, as well as her own life.

"Cerberus: Evil or Inept?" poll.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 novembre 2010 - 03:14 .

[Ieldra]

Zulu, as usual your poll lacks an important option: both.

Regarding Miranda's age, that is an extrapolation from in-game information, making only one assumption: that Miranda took Oriana with her when she ran away from her father. It's the simplest solution if you try to actually imagine what would be involved in getting a small child out of her paranoid corporate executive father's hands.

BTW, the timeline doesn't make sense. Not because of problems with Miranda, but because of general plausibility.

And now leave the matter alone. Nobody believes you and you're just trying to provoke. I wouldn't care much if Miranda hacked the mechs, it's obvious that that scenario is very unlikely. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 novembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@Pinkflamingo22/Zulu_DFA: Okay, you two, drop it or take it to a more relevant thread.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu, as usual your poll lacks an important option: both.

I'm not BioWare, no easy cop-out's on my watch.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Pinkflamingo22/Zulu_DFA: Okay, you two, drop it or take it to a more relevant thread.

The Red Panda ate it.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Zulu: Then drop it.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I wouldn't care much if Miranda hacked the mechs, it's obvious that that scenario is very unlikely.

But what about Miranda being inept? She acted decisively when the sh*t hit the fan, and that's cool. But what had she been doing leading up to that point? Sleeping on the job? "Wilson nearly beat her, but she managed to luck out", is that how you see it?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 novembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Zulu: Then drop it.

May I ask how discussing the theory that Miranda hacked the mechs isn't relevant to the Miranda discussion thread?