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[aeetos21]

Revan92 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Didn't you get from the tone that she appreciates the joke, Revan? "You ass" was said in that light tone that Meer doesn't quite get across.

Then why would she call shep an ass in the first place.

Because she loves him and the way he exasperates her (even if she knows he's joking) causes her to love him more despite however annoyed he might make her. It's actually one of the most realistic relationship moments I've ever seen depicted in Mass Effect, or any video game really.

Just read her facial expressions/body language or (if you're really talented) the way BW depicted her eyes in this scene.

Modifié par aeetos21, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:50 .

[aeetos21]

"You ass..."



"Promise me..."



Anyway, all in the eyes which BW has done remarkably well with in all of ME2

[tommyt_1994]

I love that derpy first screenshot

[Ieldra]

aeetos21 wrote...
Edit: BTW I can't afford to get my Miranda litho right now (tear) but will it still be a vailable sometime next year?

I do not know. IIRC it is a limited edition. The individual lithgraph will be available I guess, but I have no ide when, and nobody knows how long it will be after that until it is sold out.

[Caihn]

To me, this joke and shepard renegade lines of the previous conversation are the worst lines of all shep/miri conversations. I would play more renegade if there were not such lines when shepard is acting like a jerk.

[hooahguy]

aeetos21 wrote...

God.... her eyes in this pic! Amazing! I think I just fell in love with her all over again!

[Darziel]

OK - I was playing with montages again and came up with this one ... Miranda on R&R and chilling out ...

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
To me, this joke and shepard renegade lines of the previous conversation are the worst lines of all shep/miri conversations. I would play more renegade if there were not such lines when shepard is acting like a jerk.

You don't know what you're talking about. You dislike those lines, OK, but how you can think Shepard is acting like a jerk here *and* in the previous conversation, that escapes me. He challenges her - and she answers in kind. Do you have any idea of the attraction such an exchange can carry? It beats the happy-fluffy type of exchange any day if you're both of a kind to take such a challenge, if you have the confidence to answer it. Those lines underscore the strength of their personalities. You know, neither Shepard nor Miranda are the happy-fluffy types. Well, at least not in my games.    

[Ieldra]

Darziel wrote...

OK - I was playing with montages again and came up with this one ... Miranda on R&R and chilling out ...

Nice. As a rule I'm wary of montages, but this one looks good.

[Ieldra]

And since we're posting screenshots...here are my favorites featuring her beautiful eyes:

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
To me, this joke and shepard renegade lines of the previous conversation are the worst lines of all shep/miri conversations. I would play more renegade if there were not such lines when shepard is acting like a jerk.

You don't know what you're talking about. You dislike those lines, OK, but how you can think Shepard is acting like a jerk here *and* in the previous conversation, that escapes me. He challenges her - and she answers in kind. Do you have any idea of the attraction such an exchange can carry? It beats the happy-fluffy type of exchange any day if you're both of a kind to take such a challenge, if you have the confidence to answer it. Those lines underscore the strength of their personalities. You know, neither Shepard nor Miranda are the happy-fluffy types. Well, at least not in my games.    

Everyone can have his own opinion about this. But to me he's a real jerk during these conversation. Miranda seems to accept this kind of exchange but it's not how I see Miranda/Shepard relationship. And to me, Miranda doesn't need a man like him. Seriously, I prefer that she remains single.

Like I said before, IMO, the paragon path during this conversation makes the romance far more meaningful. I think it could have been better, but it fits the most to my conception of the perfect match for Miranda.

[Elyvern]

I don't have an adversion against the "what matters is what we feel" line. If we're going to argue solely based on delivery, Meer's delivery in both examples suck ****. And I do like the hug that Miranda gives Shepard in that dialogue choice. It adds a nice counterpoint to the overt sexual tone in the romance. However, I do admire the aplomb that she displays when Shepard says "I'm just trying to get you into bed." And just from her reaction alone, you can see that it was meant to be a joke and to be treated as such. It's a damn pity that that line was so badly mangled by Meer as well as that goddamn rape-face motivational pic.

And you guys do know that "Love?" was posited as the paragon choice because it was placed top right hand on the dialogue wheel, right? Instead of ranting at how it was Bioware's mistake, think of it as Shepard trying to lighten the mood, trying to make things easier for Miranda, ease her mind off the doom and gloom so to speak. How would that come across as being a jerk? She obviously didn't think of Shepard that way when he said what he said. If she was offended, she'd be the first person to punch him out through the door. The girl can take care of herself, she's no porcelain that'll shatter at the first touch. A touchy-feely kind of relationship where Shepard has to keep watching his mouth around her is definitely not what I want. And I think she'd appreciate him being honest with her as well.

[Caihn]

Lighten the mood ? Seriously, to me it only kills the mood. And IMO this line should be a renegade choice, not a paragon one (in fact I would prefer to have no choice like this one).

And this kind of relationship is not what I want, I want a Shepard who is not afraid to tell what he really feels for her. Not a Shepard who hides his feelings behind ridiculous jokes.

[Elyvern]

But some people like their Shepards to have the ability to laugh in dire situations. To each their own accord. Options shouldn't be removed just because you don't like it.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
Like I said before, IMO, the paragon path during this conversation makes the romance far more meaningful. I think it could have been better, but it fits the most to my conception of the perfect match for Miranda.

Meaningful? Or a failed attempt at portentousnesss? Apart from "You give your father too much credit...", which admittedly I really miss in the Renegade options, Shepard's lines come across as sentimental, almost slack. And how can you put off the kiss and "stop smiling, damn it!" as less meaningful? That scene is the highlight of the romance. Granted, the Renegade version has an element of a fight in it - the challenge I mentioned. I get that some people don't like that - that's why the alternative exists. But that Shepard is a jerk there is unsupportable as an opinion. If you make such a claim, give some supporting facts or I'm not required to let it stand as anything more than "I don't like it".

Also, what Elyvern said.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[Caihn]

Maybe I would care when you will understand that some of your opinions are also unsupportable by many Miranda fans.



I don't know why I still responding to your aggressive post. If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. And stop bother me.

I don't need to make a 100 lines argumentation of everything I post because you don't like it.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. And stop bother me.

Gladly, Yankee. If you'd just stop insinuating that I and those who like the Renegade romance options play our Shepards as jerks.

[Caihn]

Elyvern wrote...

But some people like their Shepards to have the ability to laugh in dire situations. To each their own accord. Options shouldn't be removed just because you don't like it.

I would prefer to have an another choice than this one, especially for the paragon choice. I prefer the alternative line because I hate "Love". But if Bioware would have create a better line for the Paragon choice I would have been happy.

You, like Ieldra have more extreme opinions about Paragon Shepard and I don't complain. This is your opinion, and I respect it. Maybe you should do the same if you want to see more people in this thread.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. And stop bother me.

Gladly, Yankee. If you'd just stop insinuating that I and those who like the Renegade romance options play our Shepards as jerks.

I find some renegade lines really great. But sometimes (especially during romance) I find that he's acting like a jerk. Now you can disagree, but it won't change my opinion. I don't judge the player, only the character. I don't have something against people who like to play this kind of Shepard.

Your opinion about Paragon Shepard can hurt players, and you don't seem to care. I don't know why I should censure myself about the Renegade.

[Elyvern]

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

But some people like their Shepards to have the ability to laugh in dire situations. To each their own accord. Options shouldn't be removed just because you don't like it.

I would prefer to have an another choice than this one, especially for the paragon choice. I prefer the alternative line because I hate "Love". But if Bioware would have create a better line for the Paragon choice I would have been happy.

You, like Ieldra have more extreme opinions about Paragon Shepard and I don't complain. This is your opinion, and I respect it. Maybe you should do the same if you want to see more people in this thread.

Absolutely. And that is exactly why I wouldn't say things like "I prefer to have no choice in this" because that implies dictating the decisions of others primarily along the lines of my own judgement values. Someone else may like what I don't like. I usually avoid choosing the joke myself, but I wouldn't start making emotionally charged accusations about Shepard being a jerk because that is a slur towards how some people would want to play their Shepards, especially when it can be proven Miranda herself didn't see him as one. See where I'm going? 

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Caihn]

Elyvern wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

But some people like their Shepards to have the ability to laugh in dire situations. To each their own accord. Options shouldn't be removed just because you don't like it.

I would prefer to have an another choice than this one, especially for the paragon choice. I prefer the alternative line because I hate "Love". But if Bioware would have create a better line for the Paragon choice I would have been happy.

You, like Ieldra have more extreme opinions about Paragon Shepard and I don't complain. This is your opinion, and I respect it. Maybe you should do the same if you want to see more people in this thread.

Absolutely. And that is exactly why I wouldn't say things like "I prefer if there are no options at all" because that implies making decisions for others primarily for the benefit of my own judgement values. Someone else may like what I don't like. I usually avoid choosing the joke myself, but I wouldn't start making emotionally charged accusations about Shepard is a jerk because of that choice as that insults the way some people would want to play their Shepards. See where I'm going? 

Then, if you prefer : I would prefer an another option than "Love" (but I don't see the difference).

Now I will stop give my opinion about renegade shepard when you'll stop giving yours about paragon shepard. But it's not my wish.
Did I ask you to stop giving your opinion about the collector base because I don't like it ? I don't think so.

@ players who play renegade Shepard : sorry if my opinion hurt you, but it's just how I consider Shepard during these conversations (but I can understand that some people can have a different opinion).

Modifié par Yannkee, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

aeetos21 wrote...

"Love?" is Shepard's way of trying to calm her down with a little comic relief - which she gets when she chuckles and calls him an ass. The other option keeps it on point, really driving the truth home, and Miranda hates it that Shepard is calling her out on the feelings they share for each other and thus the damnit comment.

Personally I prefer the later if only because you don't have to see Shepard's creepy expression that BW screwed the pooch on.

Anyhow, I always ALWAYS choose the "No promises" option in the final part of that dialogue tree. 1) Because that's exactly what I would tell a person if I were in Shepard's shoes and 2) She hugs you and tells you its worth fighting for.

Heh, actually a lot of the Shep/Mir best romance options come from Shepard getting her riled up or not saying the thing she is asking for him to tell her. But that's a tangent for another topic.

Edit: BTW I can't afford to get my Miranda litho right now (tear) but will it still be available sometime next year?

Personally, I'm a fan of the Slap Slap Kiss sorts of romances.  At least for my ManShep--FemShep gets to be all sweet and adorkable with Garrus.  So having seen the comments here, I think we're gonna go for mostly Renegade responses.  It's kinda funny seeing Shep and Miranda each dish it out as good as they give it.  Even that kind of silly, sarcastic banter makes them feel more like equals that other BIoWare LIs I've come across.  I like humor and laughter in my romances--probably why I like Miranda and Garrus so much.

[Caihn]

It's your choice.
You asked people's opinion, I gave mine. 
Most of people who don't post anymore in this thread, and post in the support group, prefer the Paragon lines.

If you don't like a line you can reload and try something else.

Modifié par Yannkee, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:12 .