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[jtav]

For the record, I prefer "You're jealous"/"Love?" (barely--neither is great)/"No promises." There are still some clunkers, but I do like the give-and-take banter.

[Elyvern]

I love the renegade romance for many reasons but the most important thing I take away from it is Miranda has the presence, the confidence and the mentality needed to stand firm against Shepard. She will not take any crap from him lying down. They are on the same playing field here. You don't get that immediate impression with any of the other LIs at all.

[tommyt_1994]

People need to stop throwing accusations around. Calling renegade Shepard a jerk is doing just that, calling that player a jerk for choosing said lines. As is saying something about players who choose the paragon lines. I prefer the renegade kiss scene because it shows Miranda and Shepard as equals. Shepard prods her, which happens all the time in flirting, and she retorts. It ends in a passionate kiss that Miranda (and possibly Shep) doesn't understand. It was a scene of two people being attracted to each other and displaying that attraction in a passionate moment. I dislike the paragon path for one line and one line only, the "admire your body" one. That is vomit inducing IMO. Skip to the next convo. The "love?" line is perfectly okay in my book though I prefer the other line. Meer simply failed on the delivery. I like Shepard trying to lighten the mood because it was foreign territory for Miranda. Her response was an obvious indicator, and this can't really be denied, that the line was meant as a joke. A chuckle and calling him an ass in the way she did made it very clear that the line was a joke. Meer simply didn't deliver. If any LI were to kick Shepard's ass for saying such a thing not as a joke, it would be Miranda. Her being okay with it or just ignoring the would be tasteless remark is unbelievably OOC.

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Caihn]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

People need to stop throwing accusations around. Calling renegade Shepard a jerk is doing just that, calling that player a jerk for choosing said lines.

Strange ...
Personally, I don't consider accusations about Shepard as personal accusations. It's sad you can't see the difference between character criticism and player criticism.
I don't consider the accusations against Shepard keeping the base as personal attacks.

So for the last time : I didn't say that players who chose these lines are jerks, only Shepard.

Modifié par Yannkee, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yannkee wrote...

It's your choice.
You asked people's opinion, I gave mine. 
Most of people who don't post anymore in this thread, and post in the support group, prefer the Paragon lines.

If you don't like a line you can reload and try something else.

The beauty of quick-save 

I did ask for opinions!  And I greatly appreciate them.  It lets me get input from the folks who love Miranda and have spent a lot more time with the character than I have.  Though I didn't intend to start an argument...sorry 

But as in all things, I rarely go pure Renegade or pure Paragon.  I find it stretches my credulity for Shepard to always be so patient or always be such a hard-ass.  ManShep's turning out to be a Renegon in ME1, so that's probably how his dialogue with Miranda will fall.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:31 .

[tommyt_1994]

It's insinuated that if you think Shepard says something jerkish, and another player likes the jerkish lines, that other player is jerkish. And why continue to bring up the collector base? For once discussion is going on in this thread that isn't about that.

[Caihn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
The beauty of quick-save 

Yes, but I'm looking forward to don't have this option anymore. SWTOR will be awesome just for that, you'll have to live with all your decisions you made and the consequences of course ... 

[Ieldra]

By extension, Yannkee, you think we're playing jerks in ME2. That is something I won't let stand without supporting arguments. Tell me, what exactly is it that you think is so jerk-like in Shepard in the Renegade romance? Because the claim itself doesn't give that opinion weight, and a weightless opinion, I'm sorry to say, does not deserve respect.

[Caihn]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

It's insinuated that if you think Shepard says something jerkish, and another player likes the jerkish lines, that other player is jerkish. And why continue to bring up the collector base? For once discussion is going on in this thread that isn't about that.

The other players don't think it's jerkish and I respect their opinions. If it hurts you I'm sorry, but it doesn't change my opinion about Shepard.
I talked about the collector base because it's exactly the same thing, people have very extreme opinions (for both choices) and I don't consider these opinions as personal attacks.

[tommyt_1994]

But saying it is jerkish without giving any supporting reasons isn't helping anything. And bringing up the collector base will just start that whole debate up again for no good reason. Let's try and stay out of that for once.

[Caihn]

Being mischievous when Miranda try to open herself up to him.
Taking the benefit of the emotional vulnerability moment of Miranda.
Hiding his feelings behind humor.

To me I consider someone acting like this as a jerk (or maybe a moron if you prefer).
But I can understand that people interpret his behavior in an other way, and disagree with me. But it's how I feel it, and I'm sorry if you don't like that.
(I can't believe I have to apologize because I give my opinion)

Modifié par Yannkee, 09 décembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[Caihn]

Also I like how Miranda respond to Shepard during these scenes, but it doesn't change my opinion about Shepard.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yannkee wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
The beauty of quick-save 

Yes, but I'm looking forward to don't have this option anymore. SWTOR will be awesome just for that, you'll have to live with all your decisions you made and the consequences of course ... 

Play Heavy Rain  The game does allow you to go back and replay things later, but the first playthrough saves over your file constantly.  No going back and reloading if you got that cute cop killed.  It was kind of nice having to own up to the sh*t I did.  And kind of frustrating too.

Anyway, back on topic.  Sorry if y'all have discussed this already, but inspired by the lovely leisure pic of Miranda a few posts back, what do you think she does in her free time?  Or is she a workaholic who needs to be wrenched from her console to go get some drinks with Shep?

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

That's why I rarely ever play maleShep. Meer's delivery flops on its face real bad, so I just use femShep and Gibbed romance Miri.

[Caihn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
The beauty of quick-save 

Yes, but I'm looking forward to don't have this option anymore. SWTOR will be awesome just for that, you'll have to live with all your decisions you made and the consequences of course ... 

Play Heavy Rain  The game does allow you to go back and replay things later, but the first playthrough saves over your file constantly.  No going back and reloading if you got that cute cop killed.  It was kind of nice having to own up to the sh*t I did.  And kind of frustrating too.

Anyway, back on topic.  Sorry if y'all have discussed this already, but inspired by the lovely leisure pic of Miranda a few posts back, what do you think she does in her free time?  Or is she a workaholic who needs to be wrenched from her console to go get some drinks with Shep?

I can't play Heavy Rain : I'm a PC player exclusively.

I can see Miranda being less and less workaholic with Shepard.
We can speculate about what she does during her few free times, but what we are sure is her taste about classical music, and considering how many books she has on her desk I think she enjoy reading.

[Caihn]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

That's why I rarely ever play maleShep. Meer's delivery flops on its face real bad, so I just use femShep and Gibbed romance Miri.

I played both gender in ME1, but Miranda makes me play my Male Sheps. Even if it has some flaws, the Miranda romance is my favorite of both games.
I will play my femShep in ME2 some day, but playing ME2 without Miranda's romance will be difficult.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
Being mischievous when Miranda try to open herself up to him.
Taking the benefit of the emotional vulnerability moment of Miranda.
Hiding his feelings behind humor.

All right. If I had to interpret the Love? line as Shepard exploiting Miranda's vulnerability - I can see how one can get that impression - I'd agree that Shepard acts like a jerk.

As for the other things; getting the conversation out of the "deeply emotional, dead serious" territory is one way to deal with the very depth of those emotions especially if you are uncomfortable with them. They're still there, but they're not put into words. It is a valid way that doesn't devalue the romance as long as the emotions are still acknowledged in some way - which I see in the nonverbal aspects of the scene.

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
That's why I rarely ever play maleShep. Meer's delivery flops on its face real bad, so I just use femShep and Gibbed romance Miri.

It is funny. I usually play female progagonists. Here comes ME2 and gives me Miranda, so I must now play maleSheps as well, only to spoil the experience by giving me a VA who doesn't do emotions well. I've tried the femShep romance hack, but it doesn't work for me. 

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Heya fellow Miri-maniacs long time since I posted here and well...

Here come's the sun... (ok it's a star, but the sun is a star so... )



do-do, do-do, here come's Miri and I say... it's alright

[aeetos21]

Heh, if your loved one can't take a joke or at least understand that you're trying to lighten the mood for their sake then chances are you were never right for each other to begin with. Miranda, as tough as she is on the outside, on the inside having a deep relationship with another and opening her heart is very new and frightening. Add on top the stress of maybe not coming back alive and its no wonder she was hesitant about starting something with Shepard. So what he did was to try and keep it light and ease her in - if he sounds like a jerk... then that's BW programmer's or Meer's fault but definitely not how it was intended.

[enayasoul]

Yeah, I loved the "you're jealous" that leads to the kiss. (the admire my body makes me kind of cringe, heh) I actually think Miranda was okay with the joke... I was okay with it too. It's the shep face animation this is was terrible but loved her saying, "you ass" to him with a chuckle I also like the "it doesn't matter, it's how we feel..." because Miranda hugs him! and it was a nice touch.

Modifié par enayasoul, 10 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[enayasoul]

I played Heavy Rain! It was a great game, pretty spooky, not normally into those type of pyschology thrillers, and it totally blew me away who the killer was. OMG. let's just say, I don't feel so bad about getting the (*killer*) ass kicked the first time around.  It had a lot of action and choices with several outcomes and endings. And there is even a sex scene, if you progress it that far... you also have to contribute how far it goes to.    and shower scenes.

Modifié par enayasoul, 10 décembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[Caihn]

aeetos21 wrote...

Heh, if your loved one can't take a joke or at least understand that you're trying to lighten the mood for their sake then chances are you were never right for each other to begin with. Miranda, as tough as she is on the outside, on the inside having a deep relationship with another and opening her heart is very new and frightening. Add on top the stress of maybe not coming back alive and its no wonder she was hesitant about starting something with Shepard. So what he did was to try and keep it light and ease her in - if he sounds like a jerk... then that's BW programmer's or Meer's fault but definitely not how it was intended.

I would like that he lightens the mood, but only if he also tell Miranda what he feels for her (and with a better voice acting). I hate when a guy let a woman open her heart, and don't have the guts to do the same thing.
And there is an another reason why I choose the Paragon path during the previous conversation : it changes the first line of the last conversation :

Renegade : What are you so afraid of? That you might actually start caring for somebody?
Paragon : I care about you Miranda, and I think you care about me.

Again, I don't like how he avoids to talk about what he feels for her. I know it doesn't mean that he doesn't feel something, but it's definitely not how I would play my Shepard.

I'm not against teasing during relationship, I even love that. But to me it's not the right time : as the romances in Mass Effect are developed during only two conversations, I think the most important is that both characters open them self up.

Modifié par Yannkee, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:28 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
That's why I rarely ever play maleShep. Meer's delivery flops on its face real bad, so I just use femShep and Gibbed romance Miri.

It is funny. I usually play female progagonists. Here comes ME2 and gives me Miranda, so I must now play maleSheps as well, only to spoil the experience by giving me a VA who doesn't do emotions well. I've tried the femShep romance hack, but it doesn't work for me. 

How come it doesn't work?

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Yannkee wrote...
I would like that he lightens the mood, but only if he also tell Miranda what he feels for her (and with a better voice acting). I hate when a guy let a woman open her heart, and don't have the guts to do the same thing.
And there is an another reason why I choose the Paragon path during the previous conversation : it changes the first line of the last conversation :

Renegade : What are you so afraid of? That you might actually start caring for somebody?
Paragon : I care about you Miranda, and I think you care about me.

Again, I don't like how he avoids to talk about what he feels for her. I know it doesn't mean that he doesn't feel something, but it's definitely not how I would play my Shepard.

I'm not against teasing during relationship, I even love that. But to me it's not the right time : as the romances in Mass Effect are developed during only two conversations, I think the most important is that both characters open them self up.

That's why I'm writing my fic (told from Miranda's POV that will cover snapshots of the progress of Shep/Miri's romance) to be one where Shepard is open to telling Miranda how he feels, and Miranda eventually opens up because of his openess. Heck, my Shep will be pretty open, given that he's based on Patrick Jane.