Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:06 .
It works - technically. I meant that I can't get into an F/F romance with Miranda. It leaves me emotionally unengaged. I Don''t know why, it works well with Liara.MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
It is funny. I usually play female progagonists. Here comes ME2 and gives me Miranda, so I must now play maleSheps as well, only to spoil the experience by giving me a VA who doesn't do emotions well. I've tried the femShep romance hack, but it doesn't work for me.MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
That's why I rarely ever play maleShep. Meer's delivery flops on its face real bad, so I just use femShep and Gibbed romance Miri.
How come it doesn't work?
Ah yes, I do understand that. Shepard is already so much the high-and-mighty one in ME2, that line mitigates things a bit, and the Renegade line reinforces it.Yannkee wrote...
I would like that he lightens the mood, but only if he also tell Miranda what he feels for her (and with a better voice acting). I hate when a guy let a woman open her heart, and don't have the guts to do the same thing.
And there is an another reason why I choose the Paragon path during the previous conversation : it changes the first line of the last conversation :
Renegade : What are you so afraid of? That you might actually start caring for somebody?
Paragon : I care about you Miranda, and I think you care about me.
Again, I don't like how he avoids to talk about what he feels for her. I know it doesn't mean that he doesn't feel something, but it's definitely not how I would play my Shepard.
Got to stop lurking and pick up on this because I feel that this is a reflection of how some of Jack's dialogues are often interpted. Obviously your milage may vary, I personally feel that the Renegade dialgue options are Shepard deciding not to try diplomacy but instead trying a spot of poking. Taking an ice-axe to the ice-queen persona; hacking away at it and Miranda's convictions/hangups over her Mary-Sueness until he finally gets a reaction which is 'hers'. Hence her suprise; she's so used to keeping herself under control the passion she displays catches herself off gaurd.Renegade : What are you so afraid of? That you might actually start caring for somebody?
Paragon : I care about you Miranda, and I think you care about me.p.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:25 .
. (Also I swear no pun intended. >.> )
"I'm not talking about minor modification. They're building these children from the ground up to be better. They're taking the genes from their smartest scientists, their best operatives—whether the part of the family or not—and adding them to the gene pool. The perfect salarians." She leaned forward in her chair. "They're adapting technology first used by a human named David Ellison. Does that name mean anything to you?"
Father. Miranda froze. A salarian family had replicated the technology that created her. And she hadn't known about it. She hardly knew whether to feel disgusted or angry. She'd kept tabs on her father since her early teens. Knowledge had been the only power available to her in a world where her every acquaintance, her every movement, have been monitored and controlled. She hadn't been able to control the surgeries or the punishing training regimens that had turned her into what she was, but she could damn well know what they planned to do with her next and when. That knowledge had saved her from a fate worse than death when her father had decided that a sterile heir was worse than useless. It seemed preposterous that someone should be re-creating his experiments without her knowledge. David Ellison had guarded the technology used to create his daughters as jealously as he had guarded the daughters themselves. Theft of that knowledge would have sparked dozens, perhaps hundreds, of messages on his private information network. One of Miranda's spy programs should have caught this long ago. She shouldn't have been surprised. She shouldn't be hearing about this from Liara of all people.
Liara was watching her closely. She had to choose her next words very carefully in order to avoid giving away too much. Now wasn't the time to let her emotions rule her. There would be time to correct her intelligence failures later. "He donated generously to Cerberus until a little over fifteen years ago. He and the Illusive Man had a falling out over the organization's direction. The Illusive Man refused to budge, and Ellison stopped donating." There. The perfect truth, without any embarrassing personal revelations.
Liara seemed to deflate a bit. "I was hoping you'd be able to tell me what kind of man does...well, see for yourself." She held the datapad out to Miranda. "Coburn was kind enough to provide me with correspondence from some of the scientists working on the project. I believe he wants me indebted to him."
Miranda willed her hand to remain steady as she took the datapad. She was honest enough with herself to admit that she didn't really want to know what her father was up to now. It didn't matter what she wanted. She had to know. He might have tracked down Oriana, or he might have decided to create a new daughter. Miranda didn't really think so. Oriana was his "masterwork." He wouldn't to re-create perfection unless he had given up all possibility of ever finding his daughter. But if he had created another child, Miranda had a duty to find and rescue her. That duty wasn't abrogated by the Lazarus Project. She read.
As it turned out, she needn't have worried about other sisters.
Dr. Katriana Solheim: Have we corrected for the irregularities in the FMR1 premutation? Palon will have our heads if we give her a bunch of infertile females. Or worse, Nasanna will terminate us. I don't mean fire.
Dr. Timothy Galt: I'm not convinced the impaired ovarian reserve was caused by genetic factors. It could have been the neuroplasty. Must have played hell with her internal organs. The krogan stopped using it because it was killing off too many of them. I'm surprised the kid survived it.
KS: Just checked the damn things. I've heard too many rumors about what the boss does to her employees. And, while you're at it, let me know if there's anything that would lead to a predisposition to antisocial personality disorder. Four kids all diagnosed with the same thing. I'll give Ellison one thing: he's a persistent bastard.
TG: If they were even mentally ill. I've heard rumors about that guy and what he did to his kids.
KS: You watch too many vids. Now get back to work.
TG: Yes, ma'am.
There was more. Miranda read with dawning horror as the two scientists discussed her medical history—or at least her entire history until the age of sixteen—at great length. They knew her nervous system had been implanted with eezo nodules at age eleven. It had made her an exceptionally strong biotic. It had nearly killed her. Galt and Solheim had been able to figure that out even before they saw the postop medical reports. They speculated as to how much the previous operation they had given her the greybox had affected matters. Was the sociopathy due to some careless genetic tampering? They were desperate to explore every possibility. Anything to avoid the failure represented by Christine Miranda Ellison. The only saving grace seemed to be that they had no idea that she'd become Miranda Elizabeth Lawson and fled to a better life before her father could lock her away.
But they knew what he'd done before that. They knew about her infertility. And now Liara knew too.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:16 .
Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 décembre 2010 - 12:38 .
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No, but it is one option for regular checkups. I know a woman who has them there in RL.Revan92 wrote...
It is absolutly clear that miranda tried to get pregnant. If she didn't want to get pregnant then she would never have gone to the prenatal in the first place. So don't come up with b*llsh*t that she just wanted to see what her options where in the future because your not going to the prenatal for that!
Because the sequence of transcripts suggests that this was within the timeline of ME2. Trying to get pregnant with a mission upcoming where she can expect her abilitites and endurance taxed to the limit is stupid. Add that it's a suicide mission....Why is it so difficult to accept that she wanted a child!
Guest_Revan92_*
I forgot. Of course that would prevent it.jtav wrote...
(1) It would, but I'd find it hard to justify given that I've already establish Miranda doesn't flash back without conscious choice.
I see. That came across wrongly. May be just me, though - I recall we having discussed if this applied to Miranda before.(3) What do you mean? The antisocial personality disorder is something Ellison cooked up. That said, she can "turn off" her emotions more easily because of how the greybox affected her.
Yes. But that raises the question of why this was done in the Illium Medical Center. As I said, nothing is really clear here.MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Honestly speaking, I think that her infertility was accidentally discovered during a routine medical by Cerberus. Given that Cerberus is paramilitary, they'd have medicals every year or so, right?
Right?
I can see there's a difference. Discovering that you're infertile seems to be an insult of fate, even if you never wanted children. That would make it rare for a woman not to care about it. But "No woman is going to accept it", that's going too far. Add that in jtav's story, Miranda has long known about it. If she never wanted children - I don't say it is so, I only say it is possible - her rational mind would have told her it is unreasonable to make a big thing of it. And so she didn't.MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Because no woman is gonna accept that she can't have a baby. For example, my older cousin always said she never wanted a baby, and a few months ago, she discovered she was infertile due to defective ovum. Now she's actually depressed. Because of a condition she shouldn't have cared about. If I ever find out that I'm infertile(god forbid), I'd probably sell my soul to the devil just to get fertile again.
Revan92 wrote...
It is absolutly clear that miranda tried to get pregnant. If she didn't want to get pregnant then she would never have gone to the prenatal in the first place. So don't come up with b*llsh*t that she just wanted to see what her options where in the future because your not going to the prenatal for that!
Why is it so difficult to accept that she wanted a child!
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