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[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@Ieldra2

IMC was a more through checkup after the initial discovery.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Oh hey 1st and second posts on page 400! Awesome!

[Edited to add: I'm happy you're happy, but have you ever read the Welcome Post to this forum? Because commenting on page counts is not allowed. - Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[Shadedclan]

Anybody have some good pics of Miranda!?

[Prudii Aden]

You mean something like this





or this:





or perhaps this?

[Ieldra]

Shadedclan wrote...
Anybody have some good pics of Miranda!?

The newest fan art:



Some older screeshots:

[Caihn]

I agree with MsSihaKatieKrios, I think no woman would accept that she can't have children. Even a woman who doesn't want a child. To me Miranda is not against having her own family, but even if she doesn't want children her opinion could also change in the future. I know some people (man & woman) who didn't want children but changed their mind and now are happy mothers and fathers.
I'm sure she didn't want to fall in love with Shepard, but it happened. It's the main reason why I love this character : even with her pragmatic side, she's still human and she can't be rational every time about everything, especially when she has to deal with strong emotions.
Whatever her opinion about having child, her infertility problem is cruel.

About how she discovered this, everyone can have his own opinion. It could happen during regular check or not. IMO, I think she went to the prenatal center because having children is something important for her.

[Elyvern]

If there was a damn medical procedure that takes away periods and my ability to get pregnant without any side effects, I'd gladly take it. I'm 35, and if I were in a relationship with a man, I'd be in the high risk demographic for having a first child. I never intend to have children. Nor will I cry a single tear if I was infertile. Do not presume to speak for all women, it's insulting.

[Caihn]

Shadedclan wrote...

Anybody have some good pics of Miranda!?

Some pictures of the second conversation :

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...
I agree with MsSihaKatieKrios, I think no woman would accept that she can't have children. Even a woman who doesn't want a child.

I find this comment interesting because if a woman outright told you that this wasn't true, I wonder if you'd take her at her word or assume she was just lying.

[tommyt_1994]

Yannkee wrote...

I think no woman would accept that she can't have children. .

Wow. I don't even think I know where to start. You can suddenly speak for all women now? Plenty of women do not wish to have children and never will. Being infertile means nothing to these women and you can't deny that these types of women exist. Ely just stated that she would welcome a medical procedure that made her unable to conceive a child. Are you saying her opinions are simply wrong? I even believe that Miranda could, at least for the time being, welcome her infertility. Being infertile is like sticking it to her dad all over again and I highly Miranda would want kids at the time. Her line of work and devotion to said work is something she a kid would only make even more difficult and complicated.

[Caihn]

Pacifien wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
I agree with MsSihaKatieKrios, I think no woman would accept that she can't have children. Even a woman who doesn't want a child.

I find this comment interesting because if a woman outright told you that this wasn't true, I wonder if you'd take her at her word or assume she was just lying.

Maybe "accept" was not a proper word, "doesn't care" would be better.
I don't agree that a woman who doesn't want children wouldn't care about being infertile.

Of course some women could live with it. But it's an health issue and it's definitely not something enjoyable.
I have the same opinion about men infertility.

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...
Of course some women could live with it. But it's an health issue and it's definitely not something enjoyable.
I have the same opinion about men infertility.

Odds are they're only going to find out they're infertile if they're actively trying to have children. Otherwise, I'd say it's not enjoyable because it's a nonissue.

Modifié par Pacifien, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[Caihn]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I think no woman would accept that she can't have children. .

Wow. I don't even think I know where to start. You can suddenly speak for all women now? Plenty of women do not wish to have children and never will. Being infertile means nothing to these women and you can't deny that these types of women exist. Ely just stated that she would welcome a medical procedure that made her unable to conceive a child. Are you saying her opinions are simply wrong? I even believe that Miranda could, at least for the time being, welcome her infertility. Being infertile is like sticking it to her dad all over again and I highly Miranda would want kids at the time. Her line of work and devotion to said work is something she a kid would only make even more difficult and complicated.

There is a huge difference about wanting to be infertile and discovering to be infertile. I respect the choice of women who don't want children. Like I said, I know people who didn't want to have child, and they changed their mind. But if they decided to become infertile then they would have regret it now.
Miranda didn't choose to become infertile, so whatever her opinion about having child I doubt she's ok with this.

[Pacifien]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
I even believe that Miranda could, at least for the time being, welcome her infertility. Being infertile is like sticking it to her dad all over again and I highly Miranda would want kids at the time. Her line of work and devotion to said work is something she a kid would only make even more difficult and complicated.

Irregardless of what other women think about infertility, I think Miranda does want children. Sure, the issue could have come up on a simple routine checkup, but given the tone of the doctor's writing, I doubt it. First of all, if it became apparent on a routine checkup, I imagine it happened fairly early in Miranda's youth. Second of all, a doctor probably would only mention support groups if the doctor felt it was traumatic news to the individual. I take that to mean Miranda was actively looking for answers.

How Miranda took the news is open to interpretation. She's a strong woman and clever. I imagine she'd be disappointed, may always will be so to some degree, but can just as easily find other means should she truly desire children.

[AntiChri5]

I can easily see Miranda welcoming her infertility.

First, it is a complete nonissue unless she wants to concieve.

Second, it means she has finaly and definitively escaped not only her father himself, but the reasons behind it and the purpose she was created for.

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...
There is a huge difference about wanting to be infertile and discovering to be infertile. I respect the choice of women who don't want children. Like I said, I know people who didn't want to have child, and they changed their mind. But if they decided to become infertile then they would have regret it now.

If you say you respect the decision and then follow it up with the comment that they changed their mind, I wonder if you truly respect the decision. Do you not know women who didn't want children and proceeded to then never have children? That happens.

[tommyt_1994]

I wasn't trying to say that Miranda would never want kids I think she could go either way. I was just showing how I think Miranda could possibly embrace her infertility. And the doctor's language could all be due to the nature of the topic, he could have very little personal information on Miranda and was just trying to be sensitive.

[Caihn]

Pacifien wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
There is a huge difference about wanting to be infertile and discovering to be infertile. I respect the choice of women who don't want children. Like I said, I know people who didn't want to have child, and they changed their mind. But if they decided to become infertile then they would have regret it now.

If you say you respect the decision and then follow it up with the comment that they changed their mind, I wonder if you truly respect the decision. Do you not know women who didn't want children and proceeded to then never have children? That happens.

I know that happens. I respect the decision, but I think it's a risky decision.
And doctors (at least in my country) are very careful before accepting the operation. And I think it's only accepted because of medical concerns. I'm not sure they accept the operation if the only reason is to not having child.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
There is a huge difference about wanting to be infertile and discovering to be infertile. I respect the choice of women who don't want children. Like I said, I know people who didn't want to have child, and they changed their mind. But if they decided to become infertile then they would have regret it now.

If you say you respect the decision and then follow it up with the comment that they changed their mind, I wonder if you truly respect the decision. Do you not know women who didn't want children and proceeded to then never have children? That happens.

I know that happens. I respect the decision, but I think it's a risky decision.
And doctors (at least in my country) are very careful before accepting the operation. And I think it's only accepted because of medical concerns. I'm not sure they accept the operation if the only reason is to not having child.

They do in my country. There's an age limit, IIRC it's not done if you're younger than 30, but they do.

Besides, that's not the issue here. The issue is that you can't speak for all women. Even if 99.9% of all women reacted with at least mild dismay to the discovery they're infertile, there'd still be the 0.01% who wouldn't care. Are you so confident that these 0.01% don't exist? Why? Or are you making a broad statement about women's so-called "nature"?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:22 .

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...
And doctors (at least in my country) are very careful before accepting the operation. And I think it's only accepted because of medical concerns. I'm not sure they accept the operation if the only reason is to not having child.

Women who do not want children typically do not seek out surgical means because it is 1) expensive, 2) invasive, 3) completely unnecessary. There are a lot more ways for a woman to ensure she will not have children.

In which case, I suppose the issue is simply a woman discovering she is infertile regardless of her intentions toward children. Like most issues, I imagine opinions run the gamut. Of course there will be a woman who always claimed not to want children who suddenly feels loss at what she cannot have. Just as there will be a woman who is completely indifferent. Or even overjoyed, as I have seen happen. It's a mistake to think that all women react the same way to a given state.

Whether Miranda wants children or not, we know she's been told she cannot have them naturally. How you think she takes this news is up to you.

Of course, the doctor who told her she couldn't have children naturally could be the same doctor who told Jack's mom that her daughter was dead.

That is a joke.

Modifié par Pacifien, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
There is a huge difference about wanting to be infertile and discovering to be infertile. I respect the choice of women who don't want children. Like I said, I know people who didn't want to have child, and they changed their mind. But if they decided to become infertile then they would have regret it now.

If you say you respect the decision and then follow it up with the comment that they changed their mind, I wonder if you truly respect the decision. Do you not know women who didn't want children and proceeded to then never have children? That happens.

I know that happens. I respect the decision, but I think it's a risky decision.
And doctors (at least in my country) are very careful before accepting the operation. And I think it's only accepted because of medical concerns. I'm not sure they accept the operation if the only reason is to not having child.

They do in my country. There's an age limit, IIRC it's 30, but they do.

Besides, that's not the issue here. The issue is that you can't speak for all women. Even if 99.9% of all women reacted with at least mild dismay to the discovery they're infertile, there'd still be the 0.01% who wouldn't care. Are you so confident that these 0.01% don't exist? Why? Or are you making a broad statement about women's so-called "nature"?

To don't care about a health issue (whatever the issue) when you discover it, is not something I consider "normal".
Choosing to become infertile (with all the necessary precautions) is perfectly understandable.

[tommyt_1994]

I am probably going to write a fic where Miranda embraces her infertility. I'll make sure to post it here;)

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...
To don't care about a health issue (whatever the issue) when you discover it, is not something I consider "normal".

It's not a health issue unless you wanted to have children. It's a nonissue otherwise. It will not decrease your lifespan or give you cancer. It does not affect one's ability to perform in normal society. People do not look upon you and know you as infertile. It doesn't even decrease your libido.