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[hooahguy]

Ugh. If Miri doesnt have a big role in ME3 then I will be seriously upset.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@tommyt_1994

I was actually referring to the fertility argument.

[aeetos21]

Heh if you ask Yvonne she says that its her face, they scanned it into the game, and she had always wondered what she'd look like with brunette hair. The body though is definitely different in her opinion which I tend to also agree with.



I can understand BW's caution with giving ME1 characters in ME2 a larger role because its differing storylines can't go too crazy since its bridging two games. However in ME3 there is no excuse - this is the go for broke chapter of the trilogy and I see no reason why they shouldn't. The holiday 2011 release date shows that they will likely keep the combat dynamics the same so all they really need to work on is the scenery, missions, plot, and characters.



Best way of implementing most of the previous ME characters into ME3 is to figure out how to split them up in a manner similar to the collector base in ME3.



EDI: "Shepard, the Krogan are requesting an envoy to discuss the strategy for the upcoming battle with the Reapers."



Shepard: "EDI there isn't time for that, we've got enough on our plate as it is. Well at least I can't... No, I need someone I can trust... EDI contact Jacob and Grunt and have them report to the CIC - I have a mission for them."



And it goes from there, you give players the choice of who comes and who doesn't which adds significant replay value and everyone walks away happy. And if someone wants to tell me: "No that won't work too much too much!"



1) Last of the trilogy, don't have to worry about a continuing storyline.

2) Gameplay mechanics were polished in ME2 and will need relatively minor tweaking for ME3.

3) Rumors are going around about multiplayer - if BW has time for that then they certainly have time to give loyal fans a very expansive companion setup.

4) The reapers are attacking earth - earth! Who the hell out of your loyal squadmates is going to say: "Uh yeah, sorry Shep but I need to go kill this guy because he pissed me off a couple years ago. Yeah..."



Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

[tommyt_1994]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

@tommyt_1994
I was actually referring to the fertility argument.

Oh, apologies.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Do you think that Miranda will be a nag as a mother, or one that pushes but doesn't nag?

[hooahguy]

Probably not a nag. I mean, her father was probably a nagger so....

[Pwnisher]

Honestly, I don't know. She might push her child, but Idoubt that she will be like her father and push her child to the limit.

[Caihn]

aeetos21 wrote...

Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

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[tommyt_1994]

aeetos21 wrote...

Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

Unfortunately I believe this will never happen. Bioware is going to let us needlessly argue about the subject for the next year.

[Mr Plow]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

Unfortunately I believe this will never happen. Bioware is going to let us needlessly argue about the subject for the next year.

it is much more fun that way for them tbf     

[Caihn]

 I've updated my "Miranda for ME3" support wallpaper with the new logo :



And a little extra :

Modifié par Yannkee, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:55 .

[Ieldra]

Thank you, Yannkee. OP updated with the new version.



BTW, I''ve just received a notification that my lithographs have been shipped. As soon as I have them, I'll see if I can scan Miranda's and put up a bigger version of that picture. Ah, what wouldn't I give to see it on the cover of a Mass Effect game...

[Ieldra]

aeetos21 wrote...
Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

x2

Bioware wants us to be positive about ME3, yes? (hint hint)

I wonder if I'll be able to enjoy DA2 and The Witcher 2 with all this worry on my mind. My...aren't we obsessive. I can hardly believe it of myself.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Caihn]

Also :

Modifié par Yannkee, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[aeetos21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...
Ugh, its late, I'm tired, and this worrying that Miranda won't play a significant role in ME3 is making it really difficult to stay positive about ME3. If BW would just give an announcement like: "Yes we can confirm any surviving squadmember from the previous two games will be able to return as a squadmember in ME3." That would make my Christmas man.

x2

Bioware wants us to be positive about ME3, yes? (hint hint)

I wonder if I'll be able to enjoy DA2 and The Witcher 2 with all this worry on my mind. My...aren't we obsessive. I can hardly believe it of myself.

Logically speaking it makes every bit of sense the she'd be on Shepard's team in this as she cut ties to Cerberus and doesn't care much for the Council or the Alliance. I mean by the end she is your go to gal, doubly so if she's you LI. As always though it really comes down to BW and... and I think that's all a person can say at this point.

[Ieldra]

Crosspost from the CDG forum. This came up while discussing the iPartners transcripts and Miranda’s ability to compartmentalize her thoughts and emotions.

Miranda the idealist

When thinking about Miranda’s primary motivating passions, it occurred to me that she is something of an idealist. I take that from the way she speaks about Cerberus, how TIM wants the best for humanity (however misguided that may be), how she dislikes that so many people join Cerberus out of xenophobia, how humanity can learn a lot from the asari etc. Survivalist Cerberus doctrine might declare that only power matters, but Miranda, while certainly not averse to power and ruthless enough when she considers it necessary, believes in something more - a better future where, among other things, the species learn from each other and…hmm, no idea, actually. But whatever it is, she believes that she can help bring it about, and it’s definitely not a dystopian xenophobic human empire she envisions. It also shows in her loyalty mission: She has confidence she can make a difference, in her sister's life as well as for humanity.

That goal, that hope for a better future is what drives her. Miranda works for something bigger than herself, that's the key to her motivations. It is the main reason why she works for Cerberus and the reason why she doesn’t want to let the delusion go that Cerberus is working towards the best for humanity, as well as why she takes the opportunity to resign from Cerberus if convinced Shepard's path is more compatible with her own vision. It is also the reason why I think she'll not retreat into a more settled life any time soon. Take her higher goals from her, and she'll become a shadow of her former self.

Note that while her personal life, particularly regarding relationships and friendships, may be governed by different motivating passions, without her higher goal, it’s unlikely she’d have become the kind of woman someone like Shepard would be attracted to.

I should mention I see all this as a tendency, not as absolute with no deviations allowed. I wouldn't presume to make a prediction about Miranda's lifestyle for her whole 200-year life. People change, the universe changes. Some day, she'll conclude she's done enough and it's time to pass the torch to the next generation, so to speak. Elyvern also added that if you have a 200-year lifespan, it's quite possible to spend 20 years or so to create a family even if your life is mostly devoted to some higher goal. 

As discussion material, consider the TVtropes entry for Romanticism vs. Enlightenment. The picture is muddled: while Miranda’s idealism is of the Enlightenment kind for its link to rationality and science, she doesn’t represent any Enlightenment tropes except a bit of the Well Intentioned Extremist and aspirations to Science Hero (through her work on the Lazarus project, though Mordin is the real thing). Her uniqueness rather becomes apparent through the contrast to the Romanticism tropes, particularly as Cerberus as a whole is presented to us as a conglomerate of those:  "Evilutionary Biologists" and "Mad Scientists" abound but Miranda is not one of them, "Science Is Bad" but not where Miranda is involved.

[Elyvern]

Doing a runthrough where I made a couple of unorthodox choices and ended up with some Miranda screenshots some people may not have seen before:

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Crosspost from the CDG forum. This came up while discussing the iPartners transcripts and Miranda’s ability to compartmentalize her thoughts and emotions.

Miranda the idealist

When thinking about Miranda’s primary motivating passions, it occurred to me that she is something of an idealist. I take that from the way she speaks about Cerberus, how TIM wants the best for humanity (however misguided that may be), how she dislikes that so many people join Cerberus out of xenophobia, how humanity can learn a lot from the asari etc. Survivalist Cerberus doctrine might declare that only power matters, but Miranda, while certainly not averse to power and ruthless enough when she considers it necessary, believes in something more - a better future where, among other things, the species learn from each other and…hmm, no idea, actually. But whatever it is, she believes that she can help bring it about, and it’s definitely not a dystopian xenophobic human empire she envisions. It also shows in her loyalty mission: She has confidence she can make a difference, in her sister's life as well as for humanity.

That goal, that hope for a better future is what drives her. Miranda works for something bigger than herself, that's the key to her motivations. It is the main reason why she works for Cerberus and the reason why she doesn’t want to let the delusion go that Cerberus is working towards the best for humanity, as well as why she takes the opportunity to resign from Cerberus if convinced Shepard's path is more compatible with her own vision. It is also the reason why I think she'll not retreat into a more settled life any time soon. Take her higher goals from her, and she'll become a shadow of her former self.

Note that while her personal life, particularly regarding relationships and friendships, may be governed by different motivating passions, without her higher goal, it’s unlikely she’d have become the kind of woman someone like Shepard would be attracted to.

I should mention I see all this as a tendency, not as absolute with no deviations allowed. I wouldn't presume to make a prediction about Miranda's lifestyle for her whole 200-year life. People change, the universe changes. Some day, she'll conclude she's done enough and it's time to pass the torch to the next generation, so to speak. Elyvern also added that if you have a 200-year lifespan, it's quite possible to spend 20 years or so to create a family even if your life is mostly devoted to some higher goal. 

As discussion material, consider the TVtropes entry for Romanticism vs. Enlightenment. The picture is muddled: while Miranda’s idealism is of the Enlightenment kind for its link to rationality and science, she doesn’t represent any Enlightenment tropes except a bit of the Well Intentioned Extremist and aspirations to Science Hero (through her work on the Lazarus project, though Mordin is the real thing). Her uniqueness rather becomes apparent through the contrast to the Romanticism tropes, particularly as Cerberus as a whole is presented to us as a conglomerate of those:  "Evilutionary Biologists" and "Mad Scientists" abound but Miranda is not one of them, "Science Is Bad" but not where Miranda is involved.

Just posting my response to this from the CDG thread. Food for thought and discussion if nothing else:

I agree with your points, Ieldra. But I'd argue while she wouldn't be inclined to a settled life as we know it soon, we also have to take into consideration that she, in all likelihood, can live for as long as 200 years. That's a damn long time to work on what she considers as worthwhile objectives. Especially if we contrast this to what she has already achieved and is still achieving. (Project Lazarus & the fight against Reapers)

When we use the phrase "settling down", it's considered more or less a permanent lifestyle decision because of our current (short) lifespans. I feel she has the luxury, more than any other human, to opt for short stints where she could take 20-30 years off and have a family before plunging back into her causes again. Also note that family life and and holding a profession isn't mutually exclusive. While it may preclude her from the position of an active black ops agent due to safety and family concerns, she could work on science projects in the meanwhile. And her genetic superiority means that even at the age of 50-70 or even further, she'd have the physical condition of someone in their 30s. So she could still plunge back into the role of a spy after her children are grown up.

Also, it's very likely that if Miranda chooses a human partner around her age, she must settle for the fact that she'll outlive that person by a long shot. In this case, she may be moved to adhere to a timetable of life choices depending on her partner's lifespan. Wanting children to remember her partner by isn't unreasonable.

[Loki330]

As long as 200? Some people seem to have forgotten a bit of info buried in Mass Effect I (I think it's in a bit on on-ship dialogue with Liara) where Shepard mentions the average lifespan is 150 to Liara. So try 300.

[Elyvern]

We've discussed this before.

She says specifically: "I'll likely live half again as long as the average human." (1st dialogue on the SR2). 75 is half of 150, and assuming 150 is the max lifespan of the regular human and the average is closer to 125. That means 63 is half as long of 125. 125+63 = 188. Even if we take 150 at its literal value, the result is still 150+ 75 = 225, no where near 300. 

Modifié par Elyvern, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:28 .

[t3HPrO]

Too Much Talk; Did Not Read. Need moar Miri screens.

[LuxDragon]

@Elyvern:

That last screenshot, beautiful.

Trouble you for the details?

[aeetos21]

When I first considered how long she'd live in relation to other humans I oddly enough thought of RA Salvatore's Forgotten Realms and how the most prominent character Drizzt had to come to grips with the fact that though he had a very diverse group of friends he'd likely outlive all of them. Salvatore coined it as "to be an elf" or (in Mass Effect's case) to think like an asari. Miranda won't live to be a thousand obviously but (preventing any death in combat) she'd outlive a human partner by several decades. Part of me wants to hope that with the Cerberus upgrades that Shepard's own lifespan has been elongated so that he and Miranda could enjoy many years together but whether or not BW would confirm something like that is unknown.



Back on point the basic philosophy is when you live a longer lifespan it is important to understand that when your partner dies you should not waste the rest of your life away in loneliness. Rather you need to look at it realistically and hopefully find someone else to love and spend your life with. That's not to say you love one more than other, you just love them differently and remember that your deceased lover would want you to be happy.



How would that work in Miranda's case? I think Drizzt said it best when he explained it to Catti-Bri (keep in mind I'm paraphrasing here but it's the basic gist): Yes I'm going to outlive you but I will love you as much as when you're sixty as when you were twenty. And all those wrinkles you'll have won't change a thing about your beauty because each every one of those wrinkles will be made with me by your side. Besides, given our luck we'll probably die to some dragon or orc or frost giant or who knows what long before our natural lifespans end. It's okay to think about the future but the truth is, with the lifestyle we lead, it's impossible to predict what will happen next.



That was the gist and some of it applies here I think. The big question (in us Mir/Shep fans) is what do you see - since we know that its likely the two won't die in battle unless we royally screwup on our playthroughs. Do you see Miranda and Shep one day settling down and starting a family? Or do you see them fighting to the end?

[aeetos21]

Here's one of my favorites:

[Elyvern]

@LuxDragon - get Jack killed from not upgrading ship armor. Shepard will yell at Miranda to save Jack. That shot is when she says it's not possible.