Jesus, calm down already. By the way, merry Christmas!
P.S. Godwood, are you trying to troll us?
Miranda Lawson - our favorite woman in the galaxy (III)
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Merry Christmas MsSihaKatieKrios.
And Merry Christmas to all Miranda fans
And Merry Christmas to all Miranda fans
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 02:36
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Merry Christmas to all Miranda fans and to all a good night.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 02:49
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I don't entirely know if I should cackle evilly for letting the two threads here bleed into each other or if I should be repentant. Either way, I'll just wish happy holidays to all.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 04:13
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less than an hour till christmas so, happy holidays and peace on earth all that nonsense =D
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 08:41
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@Shepard owning Normandy: Uh...yeah. I pretty much doubt TIM will be able to get it back from Shep Sue.
And when he tries he'll regain his former incompetence.
And when he tries he'll regain his former incompetence.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 09:16
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Hehe...you can't cackle evilly. You're Paragon, remember?Xilizhra wrote...
I don't entirely know if I should cackle evilly for letting the two threads here bleed into each other or if I should be repentant. Either way, I'll just wish happy holidays to all.
Anyway, happy Christmas everyone, and here's what I wish from Bioware: make Miranda return in ME3 in a significant capacity including a lot of interaction with her and several missions where we can have her on our team!
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 11:10
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[quote]aeetos21 wrote...
Firstly wrong thread, check the title and see if your comment fits. If this thread were like one of the other DOZENS of threads like this already out there that addresses this fight specifically then yes, you could argue this until your face turns blue and your fingers bleed from repeatedly bashing your keyboard. The only reason I know you aren't on here to troll is because I can see your point of view, as impaired as it is.[/quote]This is the Miranda thread.
This is a topic thats entirely relevent to the character of Miranda.
And besides, it was a Miranda fan who brought it up. (or at least it was something being discussed by the Miranda fans)
[quote]You are right with some of your post but a good deal of it is "fanboyism" on your part because just like with any excuse, sooner or later, that excuse just stops working and before you jump out of your chair yes that goes for Miranda and TIM and Cerberus as well. But first a quick history lesson with some actual facts that have been sorely lacking in this thread. In 2165 Jack was abducted from Eden Prime when she was 4 years old, Miranda was only 15 at the time a full twenty years before the events of ME2 (and to satisfy everything's curiosity Shepard is 4 years younger than Miranda so you guys can do that math). Back on track any direct involvement Miranda had in the Pragia facility is null. Which leaves TIM who apparently was being kept out of the dark based off the Pragia recordings - again also fact.[/quote]All irrelevent to the discussion at hand.
I never accused Miranda being directly involved with the experiments on pragia and thats not what shes guilty of.
The point of this discussion was Yank said Jack is the only one to blame in the confrontation, I disagreed and said Miranda is not without blame at all. (within the context of the confrontation)
[quote]Here is were the real problems begin in your argument. Twenty years ago Cerberus was still an Alliance black ops organization and TIM was under Alliance command. If you want to place blame on those indirectly involved with the events at the Teltin facility then you REALLY need to start broadening your scope, that goes for Jack as well. We're talking a lot more Cerberus personnel and I imagine some pretty high ranking Alliance officials.[/quote]Again, irrelevent.
[quote]Does it make sense for Jack to kill them? Should Shepard let her? Course not. Should the Alliance admit responsiblity? Morally very much so, strategically it'd be a nail in the coffin given the war against the reapers. [/quote]This isn't a strategical matter that affects (on a large scale) the war against the Reapers, this is a confrontation between Jack and Miranda where Miranda denys Cerberus' involvement with the crimes commited on Jack (but admits it to Shepard)
Whether the Alliance should be exposed to the galactic community is an entirely different subject.
[quote]Same goes with Miranda's treatment of Jack during the fight. Morally Miranda was in the wrong [/quote]Well you already disagree with Yank so thats good.
[quote]and as Cerberus's poster child she should've said, "You're right. They went rogue but its still our responsiblity." Would THAT have helped in their fight to stop the Collectors?[/quote]It would of been much more helpful than the tactic she used.
Miranda should've remained cold, detached and tried to de-esculate the situation, not lash back with insensitive, unitelligent remarks with the sole intent to wound.
Was what Miranda doing really at all helpful for the battle against the collectors?
If Shepard hadn't shown up Jack would've tore her apart.
[quote]There needs to be order, discipline, and an absolute end all rule of authority while conducting a military operation.[/quote]I agree.
[quote] If Miranda were to submit herself to Jack like that then it would be placing the mission in jeopardy. [/quote]Yes so what she did instead was much more helpful to the mission was it?
Like I said if she wanted to not jeopardise the mission she would've tried to de-esculate the situation, not lash back like a child.
[quote]As you said I'm sure Jack's demand for apology didn't start with her throwing a chair across the room. It wouldn't have been cordial but I imagine some pretense of civility would've been there at the onset. It's no secret Miranda doesn't like Jack but she puts their mission ahead of everything else. With the exception of Shepard, Miranda would never admit to anyone on board that any one of Cerberus' past actions were not for the greater good or there were real cases were the ends didn't justify the means. It's called being a good leader and keeping morale up[/quote]What Miranda was doing was not helping morale at all.
Keeping morale would have her trying to de-esculate the situation not lashing back like a child.
Lets assume Shepard arrived too late:
He would be down an XO (because shes dead) and would than have to decide whether to execute his biotic specialist or let her get away with her actions.
Neither of these things are helpful to the mission.
[quote]and why most of the Normandy crew don't have any idea what Cerberus is really like. If any doubt was instilled and that "can do" attitude was somehow weakened then yes the mission and lives would pay for it. That's how it works everywhere, if a boss tells their most vocal and hostile employee that: "Yeah you're right we did you wrong - and we apologize," and what do you think will happen if that employee has Jack's attitude? Multiply that factor by three given the stakes of the mission they were on and I can very easily see why Miranda wouldn't give Jack an apology on the behalf of the organization she works for. [/quote]Jack was captured, tortured, raped and drugged.
Miranda denys it was Cerberus who did this straight at the face of the victim and lashes out.
Pissing off and lashing out at the teams biotic specialist (who is known for her temper) is not helpful for the mission nor is it helping morale and thus shes jeopardising the mission.
She should've went about it a different way but, because she didn't, thus she has shifted some of the blame onto herself.
[quote]As for the rest? "Clearly you were a mistake." I'd be pretty pissed too if someone I didn't like was threatening to kill me and throwing stuff around my office. Miranda wasn't looking to end the argument at that point, she was looking to hurt.[/quote]Exactly and thus she was 'jeopardising the mission'.
Note: this discussion is about Miranda not being without blame within the context of the argument, not her being involved with the events on pragia and not whether or not the Alliances involvement with Cerberus should be revealed on a galactic level.
[quote]Yannkee wrote...
If you would have paid attention to what I said, you would have noticed that I already know all of your arguments, and it wasn't necessary to post them again. And this subject was discussed in this thread many times. I already explained my point of view about this in the past, and I'm tired to say the same thing again and again.
Besides, I know I can't express my opinion about this without being ruthless against Jack character, and if I want to respect the policy of this thread and the people who like both characters, the only solution is to restrain myself. But that's something I'm not sure you can understand.[/quote]If you can't prove your point without be overly critical of one character and ignoring all the faults of the other than maybe you should admit your entire view stems from the fact that you simply hate Jack and are boning Miranda.
[quote]MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
P.S. Godwood, are you trying to troll us?[/quote]You need to check your definition of trolling.
I'm discussing a topic thats relevent to the character of Miranda in the Miranda thread.
One poster said she is without fault in the argument with Jack.
I disagreed.
That is how a discussion works.
Firstly wrong thread, check the title and see if your comment fits. If this thread were like one of the other DOZENS of threads like this already out there that addresses this fight specifically then yes, you could argue this until your face turns blue and your fingers bleed from repeatedly bashing your keyboard. The only reason I know you aren't on here to troll is because I can see your point of view, as impaired as it is.[/quote]This is the Miranda thread.
This is a topic thats entirely relevent to the character of Miranda.
And besides, it was a Miranda fan who brought it up. (or at least it was something being discussed by the Miranda fans)
[quote]You are right with some of your post but a good deal of it is "fanboyism" on your part because just like with any excuse, sooner or later, that excuse just stops working and before you jump out of your chair yes that goes for Miranda and TIM and Cerberus as well. But first a quick history lesson with some actual facts that have been sorely lacking in this thread. In 2165 Jack was abducted from Eden Prime when she was 4 years old, Miranda was only 15 at the time a full twenty years before the events of ME2 (and to satisfy everything's curiosity Shepard is 4 years younger than Miranda so you guys can do that math). Back on track any direct involvement Miranda had in the Pragia facility is null. Which leaves TIM who apparently was being kept out of the dark based off the Pragia recordings - again also fact.[/quote]All irrelevent to the discussion at hand.
I never accused Miranda being directly involved with the experiments on pragia and thats not what shes guilty of.
The point of this discussion was Yank said Jack is the only one to blame in the confrontation, I disagreed and said Miranda is not without blame at all. (within the context of the confrontation)
[quote]Here is were the real problems begin in your argument. Twenty years ago Cerberus was still an Alliance black ops organization and TIM was under Alliance command. If you want to place blame on those indirectly involved with the events at the Teltin facility then you REALLY need to start broadening your scope, that goes for Jack as well. We're talking a lot more Cerberus personnel and I imagine some pretty high ranking Alliance officials.[/quote]Again, irrelevent.
[quote]Does it make sense for Jack to kill them? Should Shepard let her? Course not. Should the Alliance admit responsiblity? Morally very much so, strategically it'd be a nail in the coffin given the war against the reapers. [/quote]This isn't a strategical matter that affects (on a large scale) the war against the Reapers, this is a confrontation between Jack and Miranda where Miranda denys Cerberus' involvement with the crimes commited on Jack (but admits it to Shepard)
Whether the Alliance should be exposed to the galactic community is an entirely different subject.
[quote]Same goes with Miranda's treatment of Jack during the fight. Morally Miranda was in the wrong [/quote]Well you already disagree with Yank so thats good.
[quote]and as Cerberus's poster child she should've said, "You're right. They went rogue but its still our responsiblity." Would THAT have helped in their fight to stop the Collectors?[/quote]It would of been much more helpful than the tactic she used.
Miranda should've remained cold, detached and tried to de-esculate the situation, not lash back with insensitive, unitelligent remarks with the sole intent to wound.
Was what Miranda doing really at all helpful for the battle against the collectors?
If Shepard hadn't shown up Jack would've tore her apart.
[quote]There needs to be order, discipline, and an absolute end all rule of authority while conducting a military operation.[/quote]I agree.
[quote] If Miranda were to submit herself to Jack like that then it would be placing the mission in jeopardy. [/quote]Yes so what she did instead was much more helpful to the mission was it?
Like I said if she wanted to not jeopardise the mission she would've tried to de-esculate the situation, not lash back like a child.
[quote]As you said I'm sure Jack's demand for apology didn't start with her throwing a chair across the room. It wouldn't have been cordial but I imagine some pretense of civility would've been there at the onset. It's no secret Miranda doesn't like Jack but she puts their mission ahead of everything else. With the exception of Shepard, Miranda would never admit to anyone on board that any one of Cerberus' past actions were not for the greater good or there were real cases were the ends didn't justify the means. It's called being a good leader and keeping morale up[/quote]What Miranda was doing was not helping morale at all.
Keeping morale would have her trying to de-esculate the situation not lashing back like a child.
Lets assume Shepard arrived too late:
He would be down an XO (because shes dead) and would than have to decide whether to execute his biotic specialist or let her get away with her actions.
Neither of these things are helpful to the mission.
[quote]and why most of the Normandy crew don't have any idea what Cerberus is really like. If any doubt was instilled and that "can do" attitude was somehow weakened then yes the mission and lives would pay for it. That's how it works everywhere, if a boss tells their most vocal and hostile employee that: "Yeah you're right we did you wrong - and we apologize," and what do you think will happen if that employee has Jack's attitude? Multiply that factor by three given the stakes of the mission they were on and I can very easily see why Miranda wouldn't give Jack an apology on the behalf of the organization she works for. [/quote]Jack was captured, tortured, raped and drugged.
Miranda denys it was Cerberus who did this straight at the face of the victim and lashes out.
Pissing off and lashing out at the teams biotic specialist (who is known for her temper) is not helpful for the mission nor is it helping morale and thus shes jeopardising the mission.
She should've went about it a different way but, because she didn't, thus she has shifted some of the blame onto herself.
[quote]As for the rest? "Clearly you were a mistake." I'd be pretty pissed too if someone I didn't like was threatening to kill me and throwing stuff around my office. Miranda wasn't looking to end the argument at that point, she was looking to hurt.[/quote]Exactly and thus she was 'jeopardising the mission'.
Note: this discussion is about Miranda not being without blame within the context of the argument, not her being involved with the events on pragia and not whether or not the Alliances involvement with Cerberus should be revealed on a galactic level.
[quote]Yannkee wrote...
If you would have paid attention to what I said, you would have noticed that I already know all of your arguments, and it wasn't necessary to post them again. And this subject was discussed in this thread many times. I already explained my point of view about this in the past, and I'm tired to say the same thing again and again.
Besides, I know I can't express my opinion about this without being ruthless against Jack character, and if I want to respect the policy of this thread and the people who like both characters, the only solution is to restrain myself. But that's something I'm not sure you can understand.[/quote]If you can't prove your point without be overly critical of one character and ignoring all the faults of the other than maybe you should admit your entire view stems from the fact that you simply hate Jack and are boning Miranda.
[quote]MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
P.S. Godwood, are you trying to troll us?[/quote]You need to check your definition of trolling.
I'm discussing a topic thats relevent to the character of Miranda in the Miranda thread.
One poster said she is without fault in the argument with Jack.
I disagreed.
That is how a discussion works.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 11:55
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And do you think that Jack never acted childishly while on the Normandy, Godwood?
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 12:20
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That would, indeed, have been the professional thing to do. It would have been better for the mission, better for morale and totally in-character. It wouldn't even have required that she admitted anything about Cerberus.GodWood wrote...
Miranda should've remained cold, detached and tried to de-esculate the situation, not lash back with insensitive, unitelligent remarks with the sole intent to wound.
I do think that Jack is more in the wrong in this specific situation for reasons already mentioned, but Miranda's behaviour is a little disappointing as well, I would've expected better of her. If that's the point you wanted to make, then I agree with you.
However, you said that Jack had the right to demand an apology from Miranda, and to that I disagree, for reasons already mentioned several times.
I'm not so sure of that. We discussed that situation several times. Most seemed to agree with my assessment that there is a chance Jack would've killed Miranda in her first attack, but if Miranda survived that, she'd win because of better tactics and coordination.If Shepard hadn't shown up Jack would've tore her apart.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 12:21
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Of course she has and I don't believe I said otherwise.Collider wrote...
And do you think that Jack never acted childishly while on the Normandy, Godwood?
My point is Miranda is not without blame in the confrontation.
Yeah, no offense but I personally think that reeks of fan bias.Ieldra2 wrote...
I'm not so sure of that. We discussed that situation several times. Most seemed to agree with my assessment that there is a chance Jack would've killed Miranda in her first attack, but if Miranda survived that, she'd win because of better tactics and coordination.GodWood wrote...
If Shepard hadn't shown up Jack would've tore her apart.
Yes I know, I'm a Jack fan thus I have bias as well but Jack is the strongest human biotic and if you look at her LotSB video you can see shes not just a wild wrecking ball, she can actually be quite specific with her movments.
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Ok. I agree.GodWood wrote...
Of course she has and I don't believe I said otherwise.Collider wrote...
And do you think that Jack never acted childishly while on the Normandy, Godwood?
My point is Miranda is not without blame in the confrontation.
And what do you think is the right choice in this confrontation?
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 12:32
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The renegade persuade.Collider wrote...
Ok. I agree.GodWood wrote...
Of course she has and I don't believe I said otherwise.Collider wrote...
And do you think that Jack never acted childishly while on the Normandy, Godwood?
My point is Miranda is not without blame in the confrontation.
And what do you think is the right choice in this confrontation?
However, for the sake of my own roleplaying enjoyment I side with Jack because I like having the conflict exist between my Shepard and Miranda.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 04:38
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Ah, hello everyone =D
i guess i never posted here.
But i've seen some of my fanart here, so i guess that counts!
I'd like to share a quick sketch i made just for the holiday's sake and also, to entertain some friends! there ya go =)
Merry Christmas, everyone!
i guess i never posted here.
But i've seen some of my fanart here, so i guess that counts!
I'd like to share a quick sketch i made just for the holiday's sake and also, to entertain some friends! there ya go =)
Merry Christmas, everyone!
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GodWood wrote...
What Miranda was doing was not helping morale at all.As you said I'm sure Jack's demand for apology didn't start with her throwing a chair across the room. It wouldn't have been cordial but I imagine some pretense of civility would've been there at the onset. It's no secret Miranda doesn't like Jack but she puts their mission ahead of everything else. With the exception of Shepard, Miranda would never admit to anyone on board that any one of Cerberus' past actions were not for the greater good or there were real cases were the ends didn't justify the means. It's called being a good leader and keeping morale up
Keeping morale would have her trying to de-esculate the situation not lashing back like a child.
Lets assume Shepard arrived too late:
He would be down an XO (because shes dead) and would than have to decide whether to execute his biotic specialist or let her get away with her actions.
Neither of these things are helpful to the mission.Jack was captured, tortured, raped and drugged.and why most of the Normandy crew don't have any idea what Cerberus is really like. If any doubt was instilled and that "can do" attitude was somehow weakened then yes the mission and lives would pay for it. That's how it works everywhere, if a boss tells their most vocal and hostile employee that: "Yeah you're right we did you wrong - and we apologize," and what do you think will happen if that employee has Jack's attitude? Multiply that factor by three given the stakes of the mission they were on and I can very easily see why Miranda wouldn't give Jack an apology on the behalf of the organization she works for.
Miranda denys it was Cerberus who did this straight at the face of the victim and lashes out.
Pissing off and lashing out at the teams biotic specialist (who is known for her temper) is not helpful for the mission nor is it helping morale and thus shes jeopardising the mission.
She should've went about it a different way but, because she didn't, thus she has shifted some of the blame onto herself.Exactly and thus she was 'jeopardising the mission'.As for the rest? "Clearly you were a mistake." I'd be pretty pissed too if someone I didn't like was threatening to kill me and throwing stuff around my office. Miranda wasn't looking to end the argument at that point, she was looking to hurt.
One poster said she is without fault in the argument with Jack.
I disagreed.
That is how a discussion works.
Taking my words out of context, keeping up morale refers to her duties as XO: "Shepard and Lawson are recruiting the [something elite or best of the best] team of operatives in the galaxy. Collectors won't know what hit them." Another line was Cerberus doing all it could to get one Normandy's crewmember's family off a world likely to get hit by the Collectors, it is likely that one fell to Miranda to coordinate and the family was removed to safety successfully. These are the sort that keep morale up - keeping the morale up for the actual squad is more Shepard's department.
How are you going to de-esculate a situation when one person is shouting: "Touch me and I'll smear the wall with you, ****!" At that point Miranda and Jack need to be physically separated hence the: "Keep a deck apart at all time" line. Tactically if Miranda survived Jack's first attack I think she'd likely stand a chance because of better tactics but you're right in that we'd never know that one for sure and so it comes down to a case of biasim.
And as I said earlier Miranda wasn't looking to de-esculate at that point, she was looking for pain and if I were in her shoes I'd be looking for blood too. Easiest target is claiming that Jack was a mistake. As for her denial: "It wasn't Cerberus, not really..." That's 50/50. It was an Alliance/Cerberus operation that went rogue. Sent false reports back to TIM and the Cerberus personnel of that cell were the ones directly behind the torture and deaths. Cerberus AND the Alliance (you can't blame one and choose to excuse the other - doesn't work that way) are responsible for (a) not keeping a closer supervision on Teltin's operations (
assigning the wrong people for the wrong job and © not helping Jack recover when she still had a chance to turn from her life of pain and violence. However if they did rehabilitate her and return her to her family on Eden Prime, then what? The political fallback would be inmeasurable and the Alliance's efforts in taking a larger role on the galactic stage would be pushed that much back. Cut it any way you like that's what happened. Jack might've been fishing for an apology but its more likely she just wanted to see Miranda squirm - something the XO wasn't going to let her have no matter how many chairs she threw across the room. She admitted it to Shepard because she knew he wouldn't hang it over her when the mission was on the line - something that Jack would definitely do. Jack and Miranda have a job to do, when you put personal vendettas before that then you're not helping you are making matters worse. And if that situation happened again then Jack would be executed because Miranda is more stable and more valuable as the Ship's XO.It's that simple. As for the other poster putting all the blame on Jack and not Miranda? I think I made it pretty clear that there was plenty of blame to toss around but when you're a few weeks away from going into hell that is not the time to start causing trouble on a team. Those sort of disagreements within a squad - if the enemy doesn't kill you that squadmate sure as hell will with an "accidental" frag or something. Something I was pretty dissapointed didn't happen in the game as a consequence of poor leadership skills given the amount of people who couldn't navigate that argument successfully during the first couple of months post-release.
Its exactly like what Pacifen posted in Jack's thread a couple days ago:
"I take Miranda and Jack's confrontation as a visual representation of a
flame war. Miranda might have felt that what the Teltin Cell did was
wrong, but she wasn't going to give Jack the satisfaction of knowing
that, especially if Jack was going to be in-your-face about it. Instead,
she chose her words to cut deep."
Anyway, this thread is more about Miranda fanart and general support rather than hashing out who was more to blame. -
I like that fanart above, makes me want to taking a drawing class or something to make some of my own.
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aeetos, we do not have "support" in the thread title
Otherwise, I mostly agree with you but I do not think strategic considerations about the mission played a part in how Miranda reacted. That was personal. Regardless, I'm of two minds about whether she should have tried to de-escalate. I know I said I expected better of her, but I'm not so convinced now it wouldn't have made Jack think it was a weakness. And that, I agree, she could never let happen.
Otherwise, I mostly agree with you but I do not think strategic considerations about the mission played a part in how Miranda reacted. That was personal. Regardless, I'm of two minds about whether she should have tried to de-escalate. I know I said I expected better of her, but I'm not so convinced now it wouldn't have made Jack think it was a weakness. And that, I agree, she could never let happen.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 09:42
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See, I just can't help but be dissuaded by the feeling that Shepard is "condoning" Jack's behavior with all of the options aside from siding with Miranda. Siding with Miranda allows me the closest thing to scolding Jack for being violent and aggressive (and what Shepard says to Jack is tamer than what s/he says to Miranda when siding with Jack anyway).
Then Miranda apologizes for her part in the fight. It's the closest thing to both parties recognizing that they did something wrong and shouldn't repeat it in the future.
Then Miranda apologizes for her part in the fight. It's the closest thing to both parties recognizing that they did something wrong and shouldn't repeat it in the future.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 09:52
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But you can scold both sides for their own roles if you go for the Paragon/Renegade interrupt and don't lose their loyalty by favoring one over the other. It's clearly best for the mission.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 09:56
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Not quite. All Shepard really says is for them to keep apart. That's not scolding them for their behavior, that's telling them to avoid each other.Xilizhra wrote...
But you can scold both sides for their own roles if you go for the Paragon/Renegade interrupt and don't lose their loyalty by favoring one over the other. It's clearly best for the mission.
Aftewards, Jack says something to the effect of killing Miranda, which Shepard says nothing about and simply allows. In the intimidate option's case, Shepard had already said s/he didn't care if they killed each other after the mission, which is even worse.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 10:01
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Ah, right. Well, telling them to avoid each other is good advice anyway, and it'll keep things going until the suicide mission.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 10:30
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You refer to "better tactics" but i have hard time to imagine possible tactics in close-quater bionic fight. So i would be grateful if you could explain what exactly you mean by that.
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Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 11:13
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This has probably been posted already, but just in case:
