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[Elyvern]

Loki330 wrote...

Drug dosages are (relatively) straightforward however; certainly compared to what else the Lazerus project was doing. If you're curious, it's essentailly as slap-dash as 'Patient about this big, so it's about X dosage'.

It's arguable that that part of the conversation wasn't about the dosage of the sedative.

[jtav]

More fanfic for those interested.

Title: Sacrifices
Characters: Miranda and her father
Rating: PG
Warnings: some non-graphic discussion of child abuse
Word count: 1750
Summary: Evey father wants the best for his child. Miranda's father simply has grander plans than most. Persistence of Memory universe.

Sacrifices

[aeetos21]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
It's so rare in video games to find an NPC companion who the PC can really treat as an equal--more often than not, there's this huge power imbalance.  It was nice having Miranda around as an equal rather than someone Shep could steamroller all over.

This deserves to be repeated. What most of us fear is that Miranda will be "chickified" in ME3. I take every opportunity to shout "Do Not Like" about that.

Not that Shepard doesn't act from high up in Miranda's romance as well, but it's not as apparent as in the others.

Maybe I'm being unduly optimistic, but I'm not too concerned about it in BioWare's hands.  Square-Enix seems incapable of having a colder character undergo character development WITHOUT chickification.  Blearrgh.  BioWare's writers are much more adept.  It's possible to have Miranda warm up without chickifying her, and I think the romance conversation where you can give her a hug illustrates it beautifully.  She acknowledges her feelings, but she approaches the romance with Shep with that steely determination that I so admire about her.

There's a fine balance between a character who challenges the PC and one who undermines the PLAYER.  No player likes being undermined by NPCs--part of my objection to parties in Obsidian games is how utterly dysfunctional the party members can be.  They all hate each other, second-guess the protagonist, and rarely offer real support.  No good.  But equally no good are the characters who are easily steamrollered by the protagonist (ME1 Liara and Tali come to mind, though they're much improved come ME2).  Miranda, Sten from DA:O, and Wrex are characters that manage to challenge the PC's views and attitudes without feeling like they're out to get the player somehow.

THIS, ALL OF THIS

I always refer to Tali as my kid sister because I do actually have a kid sister and my relationship dynamic with her is just like how it goes with Shepard and Tali in both games. And yes, challenging the PC! I mean if my Shepard wanted a LI who didn't challenge him he'd go out and buy a sex-bot or something (they must have those by now given everything else we've seen in the ME universe).

That's the biggest appeal Miranda has, to me. That she challenges my Shepard in ways no other character does. Its refreshing and engaging and the fact that she's supposed to be this "perfect woman" is just the icing on the cake.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Drug dosages are relatively straightforward. If a patient weighs, let's say 80 kilos, 100mg of a certain drug would be administered to him. Thus, the dosage would vary with the patients weight.

[Ieldra]

I think there can be no doubt that Miranda is an expert in bioengineering.

(1) Lazarus project isn't big enough - in terms of manpower - to need a lead who's more of a manager than a scientist, and in research projects with groups this small, the lead is usually also the one with the most general expertise in her field. The subordinates tend to have more experience in a narrower field, but the lead will be able to integrate knowledge from various sources better.
(2) Miranda subscribed to "BioTech Research Quarterly". Those journals are written for experts.
(3) The scene before Shepard wakes tells me she's an expert. As opposed to what people think, anesthetics is not a trivial field. Major surgery usually involves an extra expert just for this.
(4) She'd be interested in the field because of her origins.
(5) Technically incompetent project leads are usually the result of politics. There's no such thing here - TIM selects the most competent among his trusted operatives, that's all there is to it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 décembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[Batlass8]

*de-lurks*

I banged out a short fic featuring Miranda/Shepard the other day.  The more I re-read it, the more I dislike it...pointers on how to more accurately portray Miranda would be appreciated.  Terrible Fic

*re-lurks*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Batlass8 wrote...

*de-lurks*

I banged out a short fic featuring Miranda/Shepard the other day.  The more I re-read it, the more I dislike it...pointers on how to more accurately portray Miranda would be appreciated.  Terrible Fic

*re-lurks*

OK, I'll bite for some gentle constructive criticism.  First, it's not terrible   I write a little too, and I know writers are the worst about denigrating themselves, but a little credit to yourself isn't a bad thing.

I like the premise TBH.  Nice to see something of Shepard other than "guy who shoots and punches and snarks."  I thought he was a sweetheart without being too sappy, and he immediately struck me as unique, something few Sheps can pull off in a one-shot.  I also liked your combination of your own dialogue and what's in-game.

As for Miranda herself, I think your portrayal was a touch defensive.  I know Miranda's attitude toward Shep can be complex, but it takes a LOT for Shep to get under her skin, and it takes the decision on the freaking Collector Base itself to get her to drop ties with Cerberus.  If Shep kept pushing on that topic, I think she'd either respond more calmly in an effort to change Shep's mind, or cut off the whole thing altogether.  I'd also structure the conversation as less of a "Miranda fishing for information" sort of thing, and more just her being pulled in by curiosity.  Miranda knows an awful lot about Shep, but it's just abstract information without real spirit to it.  Maybe focus more on that element, her getting to know the person behind all the information and dossiers.

The ending is also a little jarring, because in the game, Shep's much more confident during that conversation.  If you want Shep's reaction to be a little more startled, set up his feelings toward Miranda earlier in the story.

My two cents 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[aeetos21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think there can be no doubt that Miranda is an expert in bioengineering.

(1) Lazarus project isn't big enough - in terms of manpower - to need a lead who's more of a manager than a scientist, and in research projects with groups this small, the lead is usually also the one with the most general expertise in her field. The subordinates tend to have more experience in a narrower field, but the lead will be able to integrate knowledge from various sources better.
(2) Miranda subscribed to "BioTech Research Quarterly". Those journals are written for experts.
(3) The scene before Shepard wakes tells me she's an expert. As opposed to what people think, anesthetics is not a trivial field. Major surgery usually involves an extra expert just for this.
(4) She'd be interested in the field because of her origins.
(5) Technically incompetent project leads are usually the result of politics. There's no such thing here - TIM selects the most competent among his trusted operatives, that's all there is to it.

I thought of going into the nursing field briefly and one of its most advanced fields is anathesiology (wow, firefox says I actually spelled that correctly). Anyway its so advanced that not even the surgeon is qualified to operate the equipment, with no anathesiologist there is no surgery. As for the training itself... Need a bacehlors in nursing science, years of experience, a masters and then more years working towards the equivalent of a PhD in the field of anathesiology before you can finally become qualified. So involved is the work and training that it is the highest paying of all nursing fields.

THAT said... lol, Miranda knows far more than any meer administrator or project lead should about the exact details and procedures of bringing Shepard back to life. TIM was right, Miranda is too valuable to Cerberus as she was basically the only person who could bring Shepard back to life. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in ME3.

Modifié par aeetos21, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:11 .

[clennon8]

Don't trust firefox. It's spelled anesthesiology.

Modifié par clennon8, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[hooahguy]

A wonderful picture drawn by Asakawa:

By the way, according to her, its not completed yet. 

Modifié par hooahguy, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:44 .

[Melra]

Miri on the pic is final, just Sheppie requires more work, that's how I understood it.

[ToshiStation38]

hooahguy wrote...

A wonderful picture drawn by Asakawa

Wonderful indeed! Makes me wish that Bioware had given us the option of bringing a "date" on Kasumi's loyalty mission.

I just finished replaying Lair of the Shadow Broker. I had no idea Liara had any additional dialog that centralized on your LI other than when she asks what you're fighting for. I always chose the top option when I played, but I finally chose the neutral option which triggers a few lines about Miranda. That was great. Meer's delivery on "I don't know that she's lightened up that much" was excellent. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come and we see more conversations referencing your LI outside of their little piece of the ship.

Modifié par ToshiStation38, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[hooahguy]

Just looking it over again, and by God its amazing. By far one of the best Ive seen yet.

[Sable Rhapsody]

My ManShep's idea of a good date would be a monster truck rally or something equally less classy. Hilarity would ensue XD

[ToshiStation38]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

My ManShep's idea of a good date would be a monster truck rally or something equally less classy. Hilarity would ensue XD

Like taking her to a pyjak fight on Tuchanka?

[Sable Rhapsody]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

My ManShep's idea of a good date would be a monster truck rally or something equally less classy. Hilarity would ensue XD

Like taking her to a pyjak fight on Tuchanka?

Not for nothing are my ManShep and Wrex kindred spirits   Poor Miranda would probably be torn between laughing and facepalming repeatedly.  

[jtav]

My canon Shep actually shares Miranda's love for fine art, so Miranda finally has someone she can go to the symphony with. FemShep, though. No romance. I'm an odd duck who believes there are several characters better matched to Miranda. I'm still waiting for the chance to properly introduce her to Kaidan.

[ADLegend21]

ooo I got back to this thread at a good time. My current Mirimancing Shep likes to sing so a date night consists of her wooing Miranda with a song in the loft as seenin the blog entry posted a few pages back.

[ADLegend21]

Double post, have a Miranda instead (I have a ton of these)!
The most interesting glitch in the world, Miranda 'jumping" on the bed:

Modifié par ADLegend21, 31 décembre 2010 - 02:18 .

[mellifera]

I didn't really like Miranda when I first started playing, but after this scene in particular I really started warming up to her and she is now one of my favorite characters in the game.



She's pretty much a permanent fixture on my team now

[hooahguy]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Double post, have a Miranda instead (I have a ton of these)!
The most interesting glitch in the world, Miranda 'jumping" on the bed:

That is totally awesome. Though I dont see Miri as a "jumping on the bed" type. 

[ToshiStation38]

jtav wrote...

More fanfic for those interested.

Title: Sacrifices
Characters: Miranda and her father
Rating: PG
Warnings: some non-graphic discussion of child abuse
Word count: 1750
Summary: Evey father wants the best for his child. Miranda's father simply has grander plans than most. Persistence of Memory universe.

Sacrifices

Good read. Miranda's father is one sadistic son of a ****, almost too much. It's not too bad because the story's fairly short, but maybe just sprinkling in another reference or two as to why he's so agressive in his pursuit of the perfect daughter. I haven't read many of your other stories, so maybe it's mentioned there, but at some points it seems like her father accepts that he's a villain. You did make up for it at the end, though.

I like the doctor, Morgan. I'd be interested in hearing some of his internal monologue.

[aeetos21]

clennon8 wrote...

Don't trust firefox. It's spelled anesthesiology.

oh they're sneaky ones!

[snfonseka]

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Hi everyone and Happy New Year...in advance. Anyways, my new fanfic is finally up, after much delay. Please drop me a review and tell me what you think! Did I mention Happy New Year in advance?