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[jtav]

Ieldra, I had a long post, but suffice to say I can no longer take seriously the assertion that she has extraordinary skill at reading or manipulating people. Her strengths lie in administration and detail work. As for Liara specifically, a shipper can dream.

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Too bad you can't kill Liara. The possibility of Miranda being subordinate to her would make me do it.

Noooooooo!    I like Liara!  Miranda and Liara are my two romance favorites. (Ash got nothing... thus far) 
No, kill. 
I'll sick Jack on youuuu! (I'm being funny, here.)

I am pretty sure Miranda has her own Intel of contacts she can use to help out.  She could add to the Shepard/Liara team.

[Ieldra]

To add to that:

I think Miranda's main talents lie in science and intelligence. Cerberus combines those in a way that fits her perfectly. Take away the human supremacist angle and the atrocities, but otherwise keep the goals, and it would continue to be perfect for her after her perspective on Cerberus changes. Maybe she could take the resources and bring them into another organization with a less contaminated name.

@jtav:
I think she must have those talents. Her backstory makes it necessary. I didn't notice that until recently, but Miranda as you wrote her for Persistence is more defective in that area than her backstory would allow for. 

@enyasoul:
Don't take me wrong. I also like both characters. But Liara as Miranda's boss, the idea is almost as grating as her infertility. The other way round would be as annoying, only I can't see there's much danger of that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[enayasoul]

Exactly... what she could or should do.

Well, if Miranda stays Shepard's XO... and gets some goody intel from Liara.  Even better, added to her own...

Maybe Liara isn't her boss but work in cooperation together.

Modifié par enayasoul, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:06 .

[jtav]

Ieldra, the trouble is that there's a divide between what the game tells us she has and what the game shows us. We don't actually get to see her doing a fantastic job reading and manipulating people, and we see very little of her extensive contact network. What we do see is her not picking up on Wilson's betrayal until it was too late and refusing to believe Niket or TIM turned on her until the evidence is staring her in the face. Yes, there are extenuating circumstances, but there's also nothing to really balance it out.

[Ieldra]

Actually, I also don't want Miranda to stay Shepard's XO, at least not for long. That would make a continuing romance very awkward. As for cooperation, yes, that would be good, but again Miranda would need her own power base for any cooperation to deserve that term. I also wouldn't like to see her science talents *or* her hand for the spy trade going to waste.

@jtav:
I take the backstory into account when envisioning Miranda's character and her future, not only the stuff we see on screen. I see it as a limit of the medium that not more of the social skills she must undoubtedly have can be shown.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:14 .

[Mr Plow]

Lets just keep Shepard and Miranda together fighting the good fight  

Something I would ask about The Illusive Man - do you think it is a certainty that he would seek revenge against Miranda for her resignation - maybe not straightaway but he would play the waiting game and bide his time or would he take a pragmatic view and cut his losses and let it go?   Can't help but worry about Oriana...

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Me starting the game without Miranda?! HERESY!!!!! SACRILEGE!!!!!



But if someone were to force me to do so (and i will most likely end up hurting said person), I'd have her on some terminal on Illium or Bekenstein in contact with one of her informants about the Reapers or...something else. How many of you think that the Batarians are actually Reaper sleeper agents? Well, they attack everyone, nobody likes them, and they isolate themselves from everyone else...

[Ieldra]

Mr Plow wrote...
Something I would ask about The Illusive Man - do you think it is a certainty that he would seek revenge against Miranda for her resignation - maybe not straightaway but he would play the waiting game and bide his time or would he take a pragmatic view and cut his losses and let it go?   Can't help but worry about Oriana...

TIM as shown in the games might cut his losses. TIM as shown in the books, never. So it could go either way depending on how Bioware decides to develop TIM as a character.

[Mr Plow]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...
Something I would ask about The Illusive Man - do you think it is a certainty that he would seek revenge against Miranda for her resignation - maybe not straightaway but he would play the waiting game and bide his time or would he take a pragmatic view and cut his losses and let it go?   Can't help but worry about Oriana...

TIM as shown in the games might cut his losses. TIM as shown in the books, never. So it could go either way depending on how Bioware decides to develop TIM as a character.

Yes he did take things rather personally in Retribution - and it very nearly cost him.  Very careless indeed...

I'm not one of those he despises TIM and wants to eliminate him. He is a charismatic and intewresting character but should he come after Shepard and Miranda...

[ToshiStation38]

Ieldra2 wrote...

TIM as shown in the games might cut his losses. TIM as shown in the books, never. So it could go either way depending on how Bioware decides to develop TIM as a character.

Is there anything in the game that contradicts that aspect of his personality laid out in the books? He seems pretty freaking pissed if you destroy the base. I know that he always tells Shepard to see the bigger picture and put aside his feelings, but I can't think of any line or incident in the game that suggests that the Illusive Man won't be swayed by his own vengeful desires.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Revenge is like a ghost...



Time to play the 'Which Game Quote is This?'! 8P



Anyways, TIM would most likely cut his losses and run. He isn't stupid, that's for sure, and he of all people should know that messing with Shep's girl (Miranda) or with any of his crew is a one way ticket to hell from Shep.

[Ieldra]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
TIM as shown in the games might cut his losses. TIM as shown in the books, never. So it could go either way depending on how Bioware decides to develop TIM as a character.

Is there anything in the game that contradicts that aspect of his personality laid out in the books? He seems pretty freaking pissed if you destroy the base. I know that he always tells Shepard to see the bigger picture and put aside his feelings, but I can't think of any line or incident in the game that suggests that the Illusive Man won't be swayed by his own vengeful desires.

In the books, he's practically foaming. I consider that OOC for a character who's been manipulating things behind the scenes for 25 years. I don't recall what he says when you destroy the base, I haven't done that for quite some time, but it's not nearly as bad as in the books. There he comes across as a cardboard villain.
 

[jtav]

I think he may very well go after Miranda and that could be the circumstances under which we meet her again. I'd be shocked if she is part of the starting squad. She won't be our leading lady again. If she's recruitable, I expect her to be picked up on some mission or other. I just hope we have a good interaction with her and that it's not romance dependent. I'm not feeling charitably disposed toward Miranda/Shepard right now.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think he may very well go after Miranda and that could be the circumstances under which we meet her again.

I hope not. Helping her out against someone coming after her (or her sister) is not something I'd like to see repeated in ME3. I'd rather have some plans of her own being the reason.

[jtav]

I didn't say I like the idea. I actually agree with you here.

[ToshiStation38]

I think it's quite likely that Mass 3 will have something comparable to the loyalty missions from Mass 2, but I'd definitely want to see it done the other way around. The LMs in Mass 2 were "Shepard, I have a problem, and I need your help". I think it would be neat if in Mass 3 the character-specific missions were Shepard asking a character for their help, like maybe (for example) "Miranda, we're going to infiltrate a Cerberus base. Given your knowledge of their organization, I figured I'd ask for your help."

Crudely worded, but you get the idea.

[ViperVenom117]

I really hate the idea of going around and recruiting the/a sqaud again... it would be too redundant. I have a feeling that since you could reach level 60 in ME 1 and only 30 in ME 2 that they'll let you "continue" in some fashion. Not to mention the fact that you can still play after you complete the game.



I'm also curious to see what these rumored DLC's that are supposed to come out between now an ME 3 will have an effect on the state of your crew. If not (hopefully) I doubt there will be much change in ME 3 as we've seen between the first to games.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I think you could easily have a DLC for Miranda where her father is trying to kill Miranda and her and Shepard go out to stop him similar to what happened with LotSB. Miranda's dad is suppose to be one of the richest people in the galaxy he's bound to have a small army of mercs he can call on.

[ViperVenom117]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think you could easily have a DLC for Miranda where her father is trying to kill Miranda and her and Shepard go out to stop him similar to what happened with LotSB. Miranda's dad is suppose to be one of the richest people in the galaxy he's bound to have a small army of mercs he can call on.

I highly doubt they will have a character specific DLC like that. The only reasons they were able to do LotSB is because Liara had lots of angery fans, (that sorry exuse of a role she played on illium) not very many people really disliked her and the mission had very stong ties to the games backstory.

Truthfully I don't think there are enough of us Miri lovers to counter all the haters out there that wouldn't buy a DLC that was stongly related or centered around Mirianda.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I never understood the love for Liara... I suppose she was the only mildy interesting character when next to the two boring human options.

[ViperVenom117]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I never understood the love for Liara... I suppose she was the only mildy interesting character when next to the two boring human options.

I liked the other two characters, but I have sort of agree with you on Liara, I say sort of because they did a much better job with her character in LotSB.

I think Mirianda has the same if not more character depth than liara, just not enough people have even tried to find that out.

[hooahguy]

Too much talk, not enough Miri pics.

Heres the final version of Asakawa's pic:

[Sable Rhapsody]

hooahguy wrote...

Too much talk, not enough Miri pics.
Heres the final version of Asakawa's pic:

I really love their facial expressions and body language.  They both look so badass, yet in a sophisticated sort of way.  I can just imagine the banter.

Miri: You clean up nicely, Shepard.
Shep: Bet you'd like to see me out of these clothes too.
Miri: *rolls eyes*  This is a bit more expensive of a venue than the Normandy.  I'm sure you have the patience to wait until the end of the play.
Shep: Miranda, it's ELCOR HAMLET.  500 credits says I can drive you nuts before the end of Claudius's wedding without laying a finger on you.
Miri: You're such an ass 
Shep: I'll take that as a yes 

[ADLegend21]

^hahaha that sounds like a good Shepard/Miranda exchange XD