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[Jebel Krong]

(there's another one in his gallery).



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[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Kaidan and Miranda...grr...Miri's too good for that douchebag...but at least it's a step in the right direction with a lot less angst. If I wanted angst I'd listen to Linkin Park or Three Days Grace.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question: if we get another romance scene with Miranda in ME3, where would you like it to take place.

I'd like it to take place on TIM's space station after Miranda and Shepard have successfully removed him from the equation.

what, like, on his corpse?! 

Indignantly: of course not. They're making it their home, can't leave stuff lying around, even less floating around in zero-g as will inevitably happen.

Also, I didn't say they'd kill him, I only said they'd remove TIM from the equation.

[jtav]

The prologue to the Kaidan/Miranda story is up.

Devil On My Shoulder
Summary: Kaidan teams up with a mysterious Alliance operative to continue the fight against the Reapers, but may have bitten off more than he can chew. Especially when that agent is Miranda and the Reapers have a plan of their own.

[Jebel Krong]

 like your new sig, jtav.
@ Ieldra: well i would have naturally thought one would lead to the other...  i'm sure it would find its way to the airlock soon enough... besides i've heard good things about the possibilities of using biotics in zero-g, ahem, maneuvers. 

[aeetos21]

Hmm... the writer in me ponders the possibilities but if I BW really did leave it up to me? On the next Miranda scene? (man this is hard!)

Okay since there will likely only be one actual romance scene in ME3 (as it was with the other two games) I'd say... somewhere with a view. Like from one of the Normandy's observatories when the Normandy is orbiting earth, where it showed Shepard in the ME3 teaser trailer. Shepard's looking down at all the destruction the night before they fight to free earth, insert vulnerable moment, and cue Miranda who comforts Shepard and... basically the scene before Ilos only more involved dialogue and with a better view.

Modifié par aeetos21, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:42 .

[General User]

Quick question about Miranda, I’m curious and wonder if anyone could help me out:

Is Miranda a medical doctor?

I mean, she fairly obviously has a few advanced degrees, probably in multiple (and diverse?) fields including the life sciences, but is she an actual M.D.? A physician, trained to heal?

Thanks in advance!

Modifié par General User, 04 janvier 2011 - 08:13 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

General User wrote...

Quick question about Miranda, I’m curious and wonder if anyone could help me out:

Is Miranda a medical doctor?

I mean, she fairly obviously has a few advanced degrees, probably in multiple (and diverse?) fields including the life sciences, but is she an actual M.D.? A physician, trained to heal?

Thanks in advance!

I don't think so.  I mean, Miranda is fairly awesome, but even she has her limits as to what she can realistically do within 35 or so years of life.  She's obviously highly knowledgable in the life sciences and does head up the Lazarus Project, but something tells me if she was a physician on top of that, Wilson might not have been as necessary to the project's success as he was.  Just my 2 cents--I don't think we ever hear anything concrete in game.

[jtav]

I don't think so. She's never given a title other than Operative, unlike Mordin who is referred to as Dr. Solus. Probably has a Master's though--or two.

[Ieldra]

General User wrote...
Is Miranda a medical doctor?

I mean, she fairly obviously has a few advanced degrees, probably in multiple (and diverse?) fields including the life sciences, but is she an actual M.D.? A physician, trained to heal?

I do not think so. I think she's an expert in the life sciences, especially in the fields of genetics, physiology, molecular biology and bioengineering. I also think she's extremely good with computers, and can probably learn things fast enough that she can double as a competent assistant in several other fields, but I don't think she's actually trained as a medical doctor. It's also not her calling.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ieldra2 wrote...
It's also not her calling.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  Miranda doesn't strike me as a healer.  Even Mordin, who's a very consequentialist kind of guy and has done some very morally dubious things, talks about the joy of healing people when he discusses his Omega clinic.  Somehow I can't see Miranda feeling the same way.

[General User]

Yeah. The only thing I recall her saying about her education and training was that it was the “best money could buy.” So all we really know for sure is that she didn’t go to Dartmouth.
 
It’s true that she states in her recorded log entries during the “wake-up” level that it was Wilson that “assured her the subject was viable”, indicating that Wilson was the main intellectual force behind Lazarus. 
 
But then again, she was also the one double checking Wilson’s dosages (“I told you your figures were off…”).  It’s my understanding that proper dosages of medications are an area in which physicians are more trained than those who specialize in other areas of the life sciences.  It would seem odd for her to do that unless she had a somewhat parallel education.

But then again again, I don’t recall her being referred to as “Dr. Lawson” at all. Not that the title “Dr.” would necessarily make her an M.D. in the first place
 
I kinda got the impression that Miranda was a bit like Mordin, having multiple doctorates, including an M.D. But where as Mordin focused on healing as a physician, Miranda was more drawn to research. 
 
I guess she COULD be a medical doctor and not a physician. You know, having graduated medical school but chosen not to practice medicine, rather to go into research, in her case w/ Cerberus. I’ve know doctors who have done that.

-EDIT-  Not with Cerberus, of course... but private companies.  -END EDIT-

Modifié par General User, 04 janvier 2011 - 08:57 .

[Ieldra]

General User wrote...
But then again, she was also the one double checking Wilson’s dosages (“I told you your figures were off…”).  It’s my understanding that proper dosages of medications are an area in which physicians are more trained than those who specialize in other areas of the life sciences.  It would seem odd for her to do that unless she had a somewhat parallel education.

Pharmacology and anesthesiology are fields related to medicine, but not identical. They can, for instance, be easily applied to interrogations.

But then again again, I don’t recall her being referred to as “Dr. Lawson” at all. Not that the title “Dr.” would necessarily make her an M.D. in the first place
 
I kinda got the impression that Miranda was a bit like Mordin, having multiple doctorates, including an M.D. But where as Mordin focused on healing as a physician, Miranda was more drawn to research.

As I said, her training likely wouldn't have included an M.D. Also, formal education in one field makes it possible to gain knowledge equivalent to a degree in some related fields without any more formal education, even more so if you learn as fast as Miranda. Bioengineering, physiology, genetics and molecular biology will give you a good grounding for adding medical knowledge.

As for addressing someone with her title, that's not always done even if one exists. It is, as a rule, done if that title is important to the role she's playing in her current line of work. Mordin is the resident scientist, that's his main job on the SR2, so he's addresses as Dr.Mordin Solus, Miranda may have several degrees but they're unimportant to her role on the ship, so she's never addressed with them.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 janvier 2011 - 09:28 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Kaidan and Miranda...grr...Miri's too good for that douchebag...but at least it's a step in the right direction with a lot less angst. If I wanted angst I'd listen to Linkin Park or Three Days Grace.

Hah!

I have nothing against Kaiden. I liked the character, but I kind of agree that Miranda and Kaidan make a poor match. That is, unless he changes direction with the morality meter and goes full on Renegade after Shepard dies. Otherwise I can't see Miranda being attracted to him, and Kaidan is a bit too much of a boyscout to stomach Miranda for long. I think they'd be much more likely to bump heads, than bump uglies.

Of course a Paragon or Paragade Shepard can woo Miranda, but he's Commander Shepard. His bad@ssery transcends alignment, and not many of the female squadmates can resist his charms. (or awesome dance moves)

That isn't to say that I can't see Kaidan hooking up with any of the squadmates. In fact he'd probably be a great match for Liara if Shepard doesn't pursue her in ME1. They both have the same alignment in that game, and in some respects similar personalities. When you first recruit her, Kaidan also says she's hot.

Kaidan and Tali might also be a good match.

[General User]

hooahguy wrote...

Too much talk, not enough Miri pics.
Heres the final version of Asakawa's pic:

I love this picture!

BURN NOTICE: 2185

"My name is Shepard, I used to be a Spectre..."

Modifié par General User, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:07 .

[jtav]

I think Kaidan and Thane are both better matches for her than Shepard. I actually think Shepard is a pretty lousy match for her.

[enayasoul]

That's a great picture!

Here's a question, I've been working on for my fic...

How does Liara know Miranda has changed?

They must have talked at some point "off screen"

The only ways I could come up with is:
1) when they were fighting Vasir if you bring her along
2) when they were on board the Normandy on the way to take down the Shadow Broker and save Feron.  It took 2 hrs.
3) Miranda was present during the tour when Shepard invited Liara up.

I actually liked that Liara said that to Shepard. He needed to know, I think.

Modifié par enayasoul, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:23 .

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

I think Kaidan and Thane are both better matches for her than Shepard. I actually think Shepard is a pretty lousy match for her.

I don't think Miranda would agree. Kaiden is almost like Ashley.  Alliance is in there blood. 

I do think Renegade Shepard is good for her or at least a half and half.  The both challenge each other.

Kaidan and Thane are probably similar in some ways, maybe.  

My own personal opinion.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think Kaidan and Thane are both better matches for her than Shepard. I actually think Shepard is a pretty lousy match for her.

I don't think Miranda would agree. Kaiden is almost like Ashley.  Alliance is in there blood. 

I do think Renegade Shepard is good for her or at least a half and half.  The both challenge each other.

Kaidan and Thane are probably similar in some ways, maybe.  

My own personal opinion.

You make too much of morality and too little of personality. Personality-wise, Kaidan and Miranda are about the best match imaginable. They'd understand each other intuitively, you can be sure of that. Their different loyalties will cause problems, yes, but ultimately they're both working for humanity, and they're both intelligent enough to see, in the end, that they have compatible goals. Might be a bit of work to get there. That's what jtav's story will feature prominently I guess.

As for Shepard, again you make too much of morality and too little of personality. Any Shepard is completely incapable of subtlely, a trait Miranda wouldn't appreciate. He is sometimes so incredibly stupid that I wonder how he gets things done. I have an extremely hard time imagining my Shepard as being a good match for Miranda. As for Paragon/Renegade, both extremes would not appeal to Miranda at all. She's flexible in her thinking and wouldn't respect anyone who is not.
I can only romance Miranda with my Shepards through extreme acts of imagination and by wilfully ignoring some of the more stupid stuff he says. If I had my favorite scenario, I would play Miranda as my protagonist of choice and select some more fitting LI for her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:38 .

[Caihn]

To me, Shepard (Paragade) is the perfect match for Miranda.

The only other pairing I can imagine is Kaidan/Miranda, but he's not the best match for her.

[LuxDragon]

General User wrote...

hooahguy wrote...

Too much talk, not enough Miri pics.
Heres the final version of Asakawa's pic:

*snip*

I love this picture!

BURN NOTICE: 2185

"My name is Shepard, I used to be a Spectre..."

Love the reference!

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think Kaidan and Thane are both better matches for her than Shepard. I actually think Shepard is a pretty lousy match for her.

I don't think Miranda would agree. Kaiden is almost like Ashley.  Alliance is in there blood. 

I do think Renegade Shepard is good for her or at least a half and half.  The both challenge each other.

Kaidan and Thane are probably similar in some ways, maybe.  

My own personal opinion.

You make too much of morality and too little of personality. Personality-wise, Kaidan and Miranda are about the best match imaginable. They'd understand each other intuitively, you can be sure of that. Their different loyalties will cause problems, yes, but ultimately they're both working for humanity, and they're both intelligent enough to see, in the end, that they have compatible goals. Might be a bit of work to get there. That's what jtav's story will feature prominently I guess.

As for Shepard, again you make too much of morality and too little of personality. Any Shepard is completely incapable of subtlely, a trait Miranda wouldn't appreciate. He is sometimes so incredibly stupid that I wonder how he gets things done. I have an extremely hard time imagining my Shepard as being a good match for Miranda. As for Paragon/Renegade, both extremes would not appeal to Miranda at all. She's flexible in her thinking and wouldn't respect anyone who is not.
I can only romance Miranda with my Shepards through extreme acts of imagination and by wilfully ignoring some of the more stupid stuff he says. If I had my favorite scenario, I would play Miranda as my protagonist of choice and select some more fitting LI for her.

 Kaiden and Miranda have never been in the same room.  This is just an assumption you've made.  It's up to the writers to make that determination. You act as if it is FACTUAL.

Shepard is also alliance, they would have the same issues???   Working for humanities best interests.  I think Kaiden is a bit to whiny for me.  Reminds me of Carth from KOTOR...

Like I said, it's my opinion and you certainly have your own set "rules" or "defined answers" that you don't budge at all with.  Your own interpertations of her character and of Shepards.  Sometimes I totally disgree.  I'm not saying they are wrong interpertations.  We all have our different views on the characters, which is great.  I like the fact that everyone see's them differently.

I do agree, Shepard can be dumb ass at times.   But I don't have such a hard time imagining what his personality is like. I don't dread doing the romance.  I LOVE IT.  I love everything about them as a potential couple.  If that's hard to understand, not my problem.   I think he's funny and likes to joke and be a jerk at time.  That might/could annoy Miranda but I think she may even like bad guys.  That's just an opinion I have.   To me, she seems to like him a lot.  To the point of wanting him not to die.   I think her response were honest.  We will see how it all comes out in ME3.

You have brought up some fascinating ideas in the past post.  We can't all agree. 

Modifié par enayasoul, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:37 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

There's no such thing as a 'perfect match'. It's just how well the two parties work the relationship out. Miranda and Shepard would theoretically be the best...or at least that's what I think, seeing that Shepard is something of a space 'Jesus'.

[enayasoul]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

There's no such thing as a 'perfect match'. It's just how well the two parties work the relationship out. Miranda and Shepard would theoretically be the best...or at least that's what I think, seeing that Shepard is something of a space 'Jesus'.

Exactly!    No wonder all the ladies want him.

[jtav]

The "space Jesus" aspect is why I find the relationship so disgusting. Shepard is always the one providing support and the one changing Miranda, but never the other way around. It's not equal. It can't be equal because of the medium.It's god/worshiper, not a romance, and I want no part of it.