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[Sable Rhapsody]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Either that, or TIM really comes through with new technology against the Reapers. Yeah, as if that would happen, given how the idiot ball appears to be written into every Cerberus cell leader but Miranda.  

...I have my doubts.  TIM's very good when he doesn't have the Idiot Ball, but everyone who's tried messing with Reaper tech has gotten seriously burned.  Everyone except EDI, that is, and even she missed the transmission hidden in the IFF.  She's also not organic, and between EDI and Legion's explanation of the relatively small percentage of geth heretics, I get the impression that only AIs are resistant to the indocrination that ends up ruining every other attempt at using Reaper tech.

[jtav]

I think it makes some sense for her to resign. Either she quits or she has to kill her superior officer/friend/lover. It should have been contingent on loyalty, but that's another matter.



I don't think there's anything wrong with using the base tech, but given Cerberus track record, handing it to them seems likely to lead to more danger than destroying it. Ergo, I take my chances with the Paragon route and pretend Shep has a better argument.

[Caihn]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Oh god...I've just read some trollfic called 'Subject 23' on ff.net and I'm seriously regretting it now...I think my IQ just dropped from 170 to 70 after reading that POS and I think I have PTSD now...it's that bad. The writer is the definition of a Miranda hater, I swear. Someone help me.

Everytime I read things about Miranda that ****** me off, I play ME2 or I watch some of my Miranda videos. And then, I feel better.
I know sometimes it's difficult, but the best thing to do is to not respond. They don't deserve any attention.

[Sable Rhapsody]

jtav wrote...
I don't think there's anything wrong with using the base tech, but given Cerberus track record, handing it to them seems likely to lead to more danger than destroying it. Ergo, I take my chances with the Paragon route and pretend Shep has a better argument.

Cerberus IMO has a track record of gambling on their experiments, pushing the envelope very hard.  Which is something I admire, but it always comes with risk and murky moral judgments.  And when dealing with Reaper tech, that can either pay off  (EDI's anti-Reaper algorithms) or backfire spectacularly (every other attempt EVER at harnessing Reaper tech).

I wish you'd been able to at least TALK to TIM about the base instead of just handing it to him or giving him the finger.  He seems like a reasonable guy, and no Shep should face that decision without some caveats or reservations.  But no, he gets the Plot Idiot Ball handed to him again at the end of ME2 and sprints with it in Revelation.  *facepalm*

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[fongiel24]

A lot of Cerberus' gambling takes unnecessary risks and/or takes it to the extreme for no reason. Overlord is an example of this. The project's goals are reasonable and make sense, but the execution is seriously WTF-inducing. What was the point of hooking David up to the Clockwork Orange rig when he proved he was perfectly capable of communicating with the geth without it?

[Sable Rhapsody]

fongiel24 wrote...

A lot of Cerberus' gambling takes unnecessary risks and/or takes it to the extreme for no reason. Overlord is an example of this. The project's goals are reasonable and make sense, but the execution is seriously WTF-inducing. What was the point of hooking David up to the Clockwork Orange rig when he proved he was perfectly capable of communicating with the geth without it?

Yeah...TIM needs to have a peek at the Evil Overlord List.  Granted he's not an Evil Overlord, but the same principles of being Genre Savvy apply.  The devil's in the details of the execution, and it's the execution where Cerberus tends to either shoot themselves in the foot or occasionally succeed spectacularly (Normandy SR2, Shep's reconstruction).

The inept execution is largely why my more utilitarian Paragade opposes Cerberus so fiercely.  She's ok with Miranda since Miranda knows how to do her damn job, but in her opinion, most of Cerberus's projects only end up painting humanity in a negative light and doing more harm then good.  She doesn't care about their motives, only about their results, and the results Shepard comes across in-game are...mixed at best 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 06 janvier 2011 - 09:06 .

[ViperVenom117]

Her reasons for quitting cerberus weren't all that bad, realizing TIM basically sees her as tool just like her father, combined with the discovery/witnessing of what happened to the thousands of colonists the collectors abducted could make anyone think twice. Its kind of like eating off a plate someone barfed on without cleaning it first... at least in my mind lol

[HunterX6]

Miranda is just the perfect lass with the perfect ass lol I am sure she can also put her biotics power to good use XD though her "Love scene" was just play retarted, I was like:" wtf are they doing?" I think even mass effect 1 had a better scene. It was not "mature" at all, I dont want completly naked on the game ofcourse cause you know how some people are but well at least something "spicey"

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

HunterX6 wrote...

Miranda is just the perfect lass with the perfect ass lol I am sure she can also put her biotics power to good use XD though her "Love scene" was just play retarted, I was like:" wtf are they doing?" I think even mass effect 1 had a better scene. It was not "mature" at all, I dont want completly naked on the game ofcourse cause you know how some people are but well at least something "spicey"

Um...is that all you like about Miranda?

[Errol Dnamyx]

HunterX6 wrote...

 I think even mass effect 1 had a better scene. It was not "mature" at all, I dont want completly naked on the game ofcourse cause you know how some people are but well at least something "spicey"

Yeah, some people are terribly immature and generally bad poasters.

hint: I'm talking about you.

[Andysilv]

HunterX6 wrote...

Miranda is just the perfect lass with the perfect ass lol I am sure she can also put her biotics power to good use XD though her "Love scene" was just play retarted, I was like:" wtf are they doing?" I think even mass effect 1 had a better scene. It was not "mature" at all, I dont want completly naked on the game ofcourse cause you know how some people are but well at least something "spicey"

You know Miranda has one of those "character" things too, right? Just checkin'.

[Ieldra]

He does have a point about the romance scene...I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable.

F****** Fox News.

[lawp79]

I like Miranda as a character tbh and I feel because of her cerberus links she has faced a similar backlash amongst a few in the way Ash did in the first, like Ash Miranda has a character ark towards the end of the game which shows she is not quite the ice queen some say she is.



Anyway, just a quick question re the SM I would like your thoughts on. If you take the option to destroy the base she quits Cerberus and backs Shep, however Cerberus know her sisters location and at the end of her loyalty mission on the mission overview thing it says something about securing her sister will ensure Miranda's loyalty to cerberus. Just wondered how you guys think this may play out.





Be gentle im a lurker who rarely posts

[Ieldra]

lawp79 wrote...
Anyway, just a quick question re the SM I would like your thoughts on. If you take the option to destroy the base she quits Cerberus and backs Shep, however Cerberus know her sisters location and at the end of her loyalty mission on the mission overview thing it says something about securing her sister will ensure Miranda's loyalty to cerberus. Just wondered how you guys think this may play out.

Realistically speaking, if Miranda resigns, you can expect TIM to go after Oriana to blackmail Miranda or simply for revenge. However, I don't expect Oriana to play a role in ME3 again, except maybe in an email where we're told that Miranda relocated her again to get her out of TIM's reach. If Miranda is with us all the way, she'll have hired someone to do that.

As for the backlash, yes, I think you're absolutely right that her being Cerberus has blinded many people to her qualities. But I also think that her self-assuredness put many people off - something she also has in common with Ashley, btw.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 janvier 2011 - 01:42 .

[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

He does have a point about the romance scene...I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable.
F****** Fox News.

^ I support this! 

[jtav]

I can't find the link, but apparently Patrick Weekes (Tali, Mordin, LOTSB) wrote Miranda outside of the main plot path. Considering Tali and Mordin are two of my favorites, I find it appropriate.



The dry humpimg is unintentionally funny. Either do it right or don't do it. I also wished it took place somewhere else and Miranda wasn't as flirty. Fridge Logic kills the romance.

[Elyvern]

lawp79 wrote...
Anyway, just a quick question re the SM I would like your thoughts on. If you take the option to destroy the base she quits Cerberus and backs Shep, however Cerberus know her sisters location and at the end of her loyalty mission on the mission overview thing it says something about securing her sister will ensure Miranda's loyalty to cerberus. Just wondered how you guys think this may play out.

Be gentle im a lurker who rarely posts

That dangling plot thread can go both ways. I personally don't think we would or should have a mission in ME3 to save her sister. ME3 should be about the Reapers after all, especially when you consider ME2 didn't further the main storyline much. One of the possibilities raised is TIM will use Oriana as blackmail material, and thus force a betrayal situation. But again, this can't be too elaborate in case it derails the reaper threat. But whatever it is, the plotline of Cerberus and TIM does scream to be resolved in ME3 regardless of if you blow up the base or not. And Miranda will definitely have a role to play there. The other option is just to make it a off screen issue. Since ME3 is purported to take place at least one year after ME2, something could be mentioned to the effect that Oriana has been moved out of Cerberus's reach in that interim. Or a third option, the writers could just forget about it entirely.

[philiposophy]

jtav wrote...

I can't find the link, but apparently Patrick Weekes (Tali, Mordin, LOTSB) wrote Miranda outside of the main plot path. Considering Tali and Mordin are two of my favorites, I find it appropriate.

Presumably this explains her behaviour at the collector base.

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

He does have a point about the romance scene...I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable.
F****** Fox News.

I still don't get it. How is the scene unbelievable? My gripe is with the damn locale--how the lack of thought that went into choosing that stupid location has the effect of making it look like a fling, not to mention intruding into Tali's work place. But the scene was obviously the start of foreplay which was natural. For all the complaints about dry humping, there really isn't any. It was just straddling., again not out of place for foreplay.  

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

I can't find the link, but apparently Patrick Weekes (Tali, Mordin, LOTSB) wrote Miranda outside of the main plot path. Considering Tali and Mordin are two of my favorites, I find it appropriate.

The dry humpimg is unintentionally funny. Either do it right or don't do it. I also wished it took place somewhere else and Miranda wasn't as flirty. Fridge Logic kills the romance.

There is no link because it was a twitter post Weekes made recently.

[Errol Dnamyx]

jtav wrote...



The dry humpimg is unintentionally funny. Either do it right or don't do it. I also wished it took place somewhere else and Miranda wasn't as flirty. Fridge Logic kills the romance.

I don't really see the problem here. The dry humping is just all we have seen, not all they've done. I think they kind of did what you have suggested... They have shown the buildup, but the actual thing you have to imagine.

[hooahguy]

Less talk, more Miri:



Another amazing piece of art by Asakawa. I dont think its done yet but I could be wrong. Asakawa tends to make her stuff even better as time goes on.

[jtav]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I don't really see the problem here. The dry humping is just all we have seen, not all they've done. I think they kind of did what you have suggested... They have shown the buildup, but the actual thing you have to imagine.

But I didn't find what we did see all that erotic. It manages to be both less erotic and less tasteful than the ME1 scenes.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
I don't really see the problem here. The dry humping is just all we have seen, not all they've done. I think they kind of did what you have suggested... They have shown the buildup, but the actual thing you have to imagine.

But I didn't find what we did see all that erotic. It manages to be both less erotic and less tasteful than the ME1 scenes.

Exactly that. The ME1 scenes were both more erotic, more tasteful *and* more emotionally touching. That they managed to screw up all these aspects at once is almost unbelievable. But they did.

[jtav]

I think what kills the romance is how divorced it is from the main story. Even during the love scene, you never forget what the two of you are going to face on Ilos and you actually talk about it. In ME2, Miranda and Shepard come across as callous bordering on the socipathic. Now is not the time to be coy and flirty or have sex in the engine room. Or did they forget what had happened to the crew?

Come to think of it, the aduction would have been a great time for a locker scene equivalent.

Modifié par jtav, 07 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .