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[jtav]

I let her kill him. If Shepard didn't physically restrain her, I'd stop her.



I really, really don't want a cure. Leaving aside my own ethics, the best ending would be her using the tech to create a biological child and fixing the defect in the next generation. Miranda has to own up to her past to get the child she wants.

[ViperVenom117]

aeetos21 wrote...

Just read the latest chapter in LuxDragon's Shep/Miranda story Fight for the Lost and he made an interesting point about one of the core discussion's we've been having about Shepard's potential complications given Cerberus's augmentations during the Lazarus Project, hope he runs with it.

That and if anyone feels like watching a dancing turn, lol, here's the link: Dancing Turian

Ahh man, laughed my butt of at that.

thanks

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Maybe not heavy casualties as such but a smaller team resulting in more casualties. Jack, Tali and Grunt wouldn't join, and she'd give Legion to Cerberus.
As for casualties: for the Collector base, since she got no multicore shielding (that's Tali's gift), Kasumi would also die and she'd be left with no tech expert, which means one additional death, meaning a maximum of 6 left for the rest of the base. The SR2 crew would also die because she wouldn't send an escort. Still enough to finish it, though, but barely. 

That's what I meant by heavier casulties. All of the Non-fighting crew would've died. Hell most of the fighting crew would've died because of the lack of loyalty.

So yeah...heavier caulties with a smaller team.

Garrus wouldn't have joined either (she's Cerberus and he doesn't know her from Adam) so she'd have to rely on Jacob to be fire team leader. She has no tech expert because Kasumi kicks the bucket, Legion is sold and Tali would probably shoot her on sight. She would need to at least have 2 characters as backup. (Giving her same restrictions as Shep). Then she doesn't have the gun upgrades so Thane kicks the bucket. I'll assume she does Jacob's loyalty mission and gets the plating upgrade.

Then of course we have to see if she won't willingly be the biotic bubble. *sorry can't help myself

Miranda being able to attract Morinth is sort of in the air as is the fact that would Miranda even be willing to do so? 

I could see her doing Mordin's loyalty because of the risk of a cure for the genophage but Samara's could probably be placed on the backburner.

So the people she has (definites)
Jacob
Kasumi
Zaeed
Mordin
Thane
Samara

People she might have
Garrus *this seems extremely unlikey however*
Morinth

People that she wouldn't have
Legion *sold*
Tali *either never encountered or parted on bad terms*
Grunt *never released*

So she has the six people necessary to start the SM. *wait...you need 8 people to trigger it right? /frowns Damn...I don't see her successfully recruiting 8 out of 11 squaddies. 

Kasumi dies because of lack of upgrade and then Thane dies due to lack of upgrade.
So she then has four.

I don't know who she would choose to be team leader because she doubts Jacob's skills but she doesn't have a capable tech expert either way so whoever she chooses to be tech will die.

So at this point she has (most likely I'm really not seeing her having Garrus):

Jacob
Kasumi
Zaeed
Mordin
Thane
Samara

After the door is losed (I can see her probably choosing Mordin? He's the closest thing to a tech they have at that point. So Mordin gets shot in the face (plus he's super squishy and likely to die anyways so /shrug)

Jacob, Zaeed and Samara is what she has in time for the BB.

She'll use Samara for the BB and place either Jacob or Zaeed in charge (and either way I can see Zaeed going off and doing his own thing getting Jacob killed). ...And damn.

What exactly happens at this point if you only have 3 people with you? 

*has never done so terribly on the SM* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[jtav]

Something I've always wondered, Is it just me, or does the game encourage you to make Miranda a permanent squad fixture via her powers? Her LM is the only one that isn't out of your way, so you'd have to deliberately choose not to do it. I'd love to know if there's a reason or just the devs wanting to get their money's worth from a celebrity VA.

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

Something I've always wondered, Is it just me, or does the game encourage you to make Miranda a permanent squad fixture via her powers? Her LM is the only one that isn't out of your way, so you'd have to deliberately choose not to do it. I'd love to know if there's a reason or just the devs wanting to get their money's worth from a celebrity VA.

Yeah it does between her passive, overlord and warp she's practically the perfect squaddie.

I think it's supposed to be a build on her "I was designed to be perfect." theme. Because in game she realy is the perfect squaddie. (Isn't she one of the only squaddies who can sucessfully max out 3 of her abililites?)

[Bourne Endeavor]

Ryzaki wrote...

jtav wrote...

Something I've always wondered, Is it just me, or does the game encourage you to make Miranda a permanent squad fixture via her powers? Her LM is the only one that isn't out of your way, so you'd have to deliberately choose not to do it. I'd love to know if there's a reason or just the devs wanting to get their money's worth from a celebrity VA.

Yeah it does between her passive, overlord and warp she's practically the perfect squaddie.

I think it's supposed to be a build on her "I was designed to be perfect." theme. Because in game she realy is the perfect squaddie. (Isn't she one of the only squaddies who can sucessfully max out 3 of her abililites?)

That she is, although so can Jacob, Kasumi and I believe Thane. I am not certain about the rest. In any event, she is most definitely built to be the most versatile and overall best squadmate in the game. The only notch against her is she is her moderate damage output or lackluster defense. Granted, Garrus only puts her to absolutely shame in a gun fight because the Incisor is broken. If she had access to that gun, she literally would destroy every other squad in the game.

I believe her superiority comes from being the established main side character of ME2. Every RPG has that staple character who is ridiculously powerful. Ironically, most are much less obvious about it. Final Fantasy is a prime example of making one of the least likely characters "epic" (Zell FFVIII, Wakka FFX come to mind)

Cannot say I fault BioWare. Hiring a celebrity to voice Miranda would certainly not have been cheap. (I would estimate close to 100k) At least, they went for quality.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[Rykoth]

While Bioware shows love for all their characters, I think by careful examination its easy to see that if Bioware ever had to decide on a canon (kind of like making Udina Councilor in several non-game fiction pieces) then you'd be able to tell the details based on the cover. Hell, I'm sort of doing that with my current run through - in ME1 with this default Shep I ended up with Ash and Garrus (like the box) in the final fight.



So yeah, I definitely think Miranda is encouraged to be with you alot. She's the XO, but unlike say, a certain fallen Navigator, she's an active XO.



Hell, she is one of the few with direct interaction with other squaddies (Tali vs. Miranda) out on other missions.

[Markinator_123]

Dominus5412 wrote...

Sorry to just jump in here, but what's the consensus on letting her kill Niket? Do you do it? Or not?

I let her kill him. I even tell to do it before she actually does it. She is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. Besides, she knows what she was doing. She did what she had to do. By the way, the paragon interrupt on that seems sissy-like as well.

[Ryzaki]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

That she is, although so can Jacob, Kasumi and I believe Thane. I am not certain about the rest. In any event, she is most definitely built to be the most versatile and overall best squadmate in the game. The only notch against her is she is her moderate damage output or lackluster defense. Granted, Garrus only puts her to absolutely shame in a gun fight because the Incisor is broken. If she had access to that gun, she literally would destroy every other squad in the game.

I believe her superiority comes from being the established main side character of ME2. Every RPG has that staple character who is ridiculously powerful. Ironically, most are much less obvious about it. Final Fantasy is a prime example of making one of the least likely characters "epic" (Zell FFVIII, Wakka FFX come to mind)

Cannot say I fault BioWare. Hiring a celebrity to voice Miranda would certainly not have been cheap. (I would estimate close to 100k) At least, they went for quality.

Ah yes Kasumi. I <3 Kasumi.

And yes I love Garrus because of the broken Incisor. Garrus + Miranda = win!

Though yes kind of reminds me of Persona 3 with Akihiko and his debuffs. Good debuffs, good crit rate just all around great character to drag around.

And yeah I agree with that. Hiring celebrities most likely comes with a heafty price tag.

[Ryzaki]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Dominus5412 wrote...

Sorry to just jump in here, but what's the consensus on letting her kill Niket? Do you do it? Or not?

I let her kill him. I even tell to do it before she actually does it. She is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. Besides, she knows what she was doing. She did what she had to do. By the way, the paragon interrupt on that seems sissy-like as well.

While I usually don't let her kill him (unless I"m playing a renegade GTFO character)it is a sissy interrupt. I mean that had to be the wussiest grab ever. Shep couldn't have just snatched the gun out of her hand? Sheesh.

[Markinator_123]

Ryzaki wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Dominus5412 wrote...

Sorry to just jump in here, but what's the consensus on letting her kill Niket? Do you do it? Or not?

I let her kill him. I even tell to do it before she actually does it. She is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. Besides, she knows what she was doing. She did what she had to do. By the way, the paragon interrupt on that seems sissy-like as well.

While I usually don't let her kill him (unless I"m playing a renegade GTFO character)it is a sissy interrupt. I mean that had to be the wussiest grab ever. Shep couldn't have just snatched the gun out of her hand? Sheesh.

In fact that is the ultimate reason I don't stop Miranda from killing Niket. The interrupt just looked pathetic.

[LuxDragon]

aeetos21 wrote...

Just read the latest chapter in LuxDragon's Shep/Miranda story Fight for the Lost and he made an interesting point about one of the core discussion's we've been having about Shepard's potential complications given Cerberus's augmentations during the Lazarus Project, hope he runs with it.

That and if anyone feels like watching a dancing turn, lol, here's the link: Dancing Turian

And you didn't review?

I honestly found that Dancing Turian by total accident. I didn't even knew he existed until it was pointed out. Now I can't get that image out of my head.

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Maybe not heavy casualties as such but a smaller team resulting in more casualties. Jack, Tali and Grunt wouldn't join, and she'd give Legion to Cerberus.
As for casualties: for the Collector base, since she got no multicore shielding (that's Tali's gift), Kasumi would also die and she'd be left with no tech expert, which means one additional death, meaning a maximum of 6 left for the rest of the base. The SR2 crew would also die because she wouldn't send an escort. Still enough to finish it, though, but barely. 

That's what I meant by heavier casulties. All of the Non-fighting crew would've died. Hell most of the fighting crew would've died because of the lack of loyalty.

Actually, from her behavior in the game I'd say she'd do most of the loyalty missions. She always argues for a delay after the Collector Ship mission, even if you have recruited everyone and only loyalty missions are left. I also think she'd be able to recruit Garrus. So IMO it would go like this:

Missing team members:
Tali - not recruited
Grunt - left in the tank
Jack - left on Purgatory
Legion - given to Cerberus

Approach to the Collector base:
Kasumi - dies because lack of shielding

Loyalties: you could justify an "everyone is loyal" scenario (see above), but for the sake of the argument:
-Mordin L (interest in matter)
-Samara NL
-Zaeed L (it was part of the deal, after all)
-Jacob L (her second in command, can't have him distracted)
-Thane NL
-Garrus NL

Collector base:
Vents: Mordin (the most tech oriented of the remaining team - dies)
Fire Team: Jacob
Biotic: Samara (not loyal, Thane, Garrus or Zaeed die)
Escort: none (crew dies)
Distraction team: Jacob
Final boss: Jacob and either Samara or one of the two survivors of (Zaeed, Garrus, Thane)
Hold the line: two of the three survivors of (Zaeed or Garrus or Thane), or Samara and one of them.

Worst case scenario: Zaeed dies from the swarm. Jacob and Garrus at the final boss. Thane and Samara hold the line. Garrus and Samara die. Miranda, Jacob and Thane survive.
Best case scenario: Thane dies from the swarm. Jacob and Zaeed at the final boss. Garrus and Samara hold the line. No one dies. Miranda, Jacob, Zaeed, Garrus and Samara survive.

[Ieldra]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

jtav wrote...
Something I've always wondered, Is it just me, or does the game encourage you to make Miranda a permanent squad fixture via her powers? Her LM is the only one that isn't out of your way, so you'd have to deliberately choose not to do it. I'd love to know if there's a reason or just the devs wanting to get their money's worth from a celebrity VA.

Yeah it does between her passive, overlord and warp she's practically the perfect squaddie.

I think it's supposed to be a build on her "I was designed to be perfect." theme. Because in game she realy is the perfect squaddie. (Isn't she one of the only squaddies who can sucessfully max out 3 of her abililites?)

That she is, although so can Jacob, Kasumi and I believe Thane.

Jacob and Miranda have one skill point more than the others. That means only they can maximize *any* three of their powers. The others can only maximize three if one of them is their loyalty power.

I am not certain about the rest. In any event, she is most definitely built to be the most versatile and overall best squadmate in the game. The only notch against her is she is her moderate damage output or lackluster defense. Granted, Garrus only puts her to absolutely shame in a gun fight because the Incisor is broken. If she had access to that gun, she literally would destroy every other squad in the game.

I believe her superiority comes from being the established main side character of ME2. Every RPG has that staple character who is ridiculously powerful. Ironically, most are much less obvious about it. Final Fantasy is a prime example of making one of the least likely characters "epic" (Zell FFVIII, Wakka FFX come to mind)

Cannot say I fault BioWare. Hiring a celebrity to voice Miranda would certainly not have been cheap. (I would estimate close to 100k) At least, they went for quality.

You can't say that Miranda is "ridiculously powerful". She is by far the most useful of the team, through her class power and her versatility, but on missions with a very one-sided enemy mix in Insanity games I don't take her with me (for instance, Grunt's LM I take Zaeed, Legion's LM I take Tali).

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...
*crosses fingers for ME3 Mordin-induced fertility cure for Miranda*

You think the woman who brought Shepard back can't do it herself? Of course she can.

I would, however, vastly prefer for her to delay that until the end of ME3. And I'd prefer to have a choice about it. There can't be many things worse than having to deal with unwanted children in a video game...  

i'd prefer the entire, ridiculous thing was quietly forgotten as a stupid non-canonical DLC easter-egg, tbh.

As much as I'd like that, it's too late. It has too much impact on the character and people's perception of her, not to say on how they play their romances. I wonder who thought up that POS and why. Yeah, I'm getting really poisonous here - but this is nothing to what I'll say if we won't get an option to have it reversed. Without forcing any other choice on us, for instance about children.

Why couldn't they have left all that to our imagination in the first place? Why not give her some inconsequential little "fun effect" like they did everyone else? Everyone would've been happy.

i disagree, it's a factor for the hardcore fan who has bought all the DLCs, but the main games can't start assuming you have played those. TBH i doubt it's a major-enough topic that it would be given more than perhaps a passing mention in the conclusion of the trilogy, given all that is left to cover. whether it comes up again in another DLC is open to question, personally i ignore it completely unless it is brought up (here etc) as it does not influence my opinion or perception of miranda at all, but then children ware/are never my overriding concern, in a relationship or out of one... 

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, from her behavior in the game I'd say she'd do most of the loyalty missions. She always argues for a delay after the Collector Ship mission, even if you have recruited everyone and only loyalty missions are left. I also think she'd be able to recruit Garrus. So IMO it would go like this:

Why would Garrus an alien join an human supremist organization who he has no ties to? An organization whom atrocities he has seen first hand? And then why would he hand over schematics to a elite turian weapon to them? 

Also Garrus isn't liable to believe her either. He mentions to Shepard several times he doesn't trust Cerberus and is there so he has Shep's back. Shepard earned Garrus' willingness to follow him to hell and back. Miranda hasn't.

Did you listen to Garrus when he was talking to Shep? The only reason he's there is because he trusts Shepard.

"But...Cerberus Shepard...remember those sick experiments they were doing?" 

"Hm...this plan has me walking into hell too? Just like old times." 

Garrus/Tali joining Cerberus without Shepard recuriting them is just...off. And if you took them along with you on the blowing up Cerberus' bases it becomes laughable. (Hell I don't even buy Shepard be willing to work with Cerberus the way it occured in game!) 

Really though I hate the fact that ME2 pretty mch had Cerberus do a one eighty and everyone is now perfectly okay with working with them with no evidence at all what they're saying is true. And Shepard is quaking at his boots from Miranda telling him she'll leave him behind.

Worst case scenario to me is all of them dying.

Best case Miranda, Jacob and Zaeed make it out. (Mordin's too damn squishy).

Though yes for sake of arguement let's assume everyone's loyal.

She has Jacob/Samara/Thane/Mordin/Zaeed.

Tech would die automatically, distraction team (I don't see her choosing Jacob because just listen to what she says when you choose him) leader would be fine then for the second course DTL if not Jacob would kick the bucket.

I'm just not seeing it.

Though yes let's say she chooses Jacob.

So if everyone's loyal Samara is probably going to die but her, Jacob and Zaeed will get out alive.

Can Samara HTL alone? 

And remember her whole ship crew is dead. That is heavy casulties. She has less then half her team alive when she leaves.

That's pretty good for someone who's not Shep Sue.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:13 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Hey guys and girls! The new chapter of my fanfic is up! Please leave a review!


I totally LOL'd at the techno turian! I never noticed him before, probably because I was busy helping Thane out...or maybe I was staring at his arse...yummy...heehee.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Hey guys and girls! The new chapter of my fanfic is up! Please leave a review!


I totally LOL'd at the techno turian! I never noticed him before, probably because I was busy helping Thane out...or maybe I was staring at his arse...yummy...heehee.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

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[Errol Dnamyx]

Triple poast, actually.

[Rykoth]

LuxDragon wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

Just read the latest chapter in LuxDragon's Shep/Miranda story Fight for the Lost and he made an interesting point about one of the core discussion's we've been having about Shepard's potential complications given Cerberus's augmentations during the Lazarus Project, hope he runs with it.

That and if anyone feels like watching a dancing turn, lol, here's the link: Dancing Turian

And you didn't review?

I honestly found that Dancing Turian by total accident. I didn't even knew he existed until it was pointed out. Now I can't get that image out of my head.

I haven't read Fight for the Lost, but I've skimmed through it >.>

Talk about attention to detail. That's why, as a writer I avoid fanfic writing myself, I know I'd screw something off. Well done

[Ieldra]

Strange...where's my last post gone?



@Ryzaki:

Loyal Samara can hold the line alone. And well, I do agree Miranda would probably not be able to recruit Garrus after considering what you wrote. Heavy casualties, yes, but when you count who survives the picture appears worse than it is, because she starts out with 6 and of those six, if all are loyal, two die. Well, maybe three if she doesn't choose Jacob as second team leader. The crew will be gone, though.... *shudder* I don't know, but I think I couldn't stand the sight of that empty ship if the crew dies. One thing I never did in the game.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jacob and Miranda have one skill point more than the others. That means only they can maximize *any* three of their powers. The others can only maximize three if one of them is their loyalty power.

If you have access to LotSB. You can respec your squad and any of them are capable of maximizing any three powers. Otherwise, you are correct.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:07 .

[Jebel Krong]

cr: invisible-hand

[Spartas Husky]

^^^^^great work... except for tjhe face