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[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

Because some of us like her that way.She says that they can't afford to go back, and if there's no one who can serve as escort, Shepard agrees with her. I think she meant none of the team could be spared.

Which I think is weird and I hope they don't start to turn her to that direction. I want a proper character, not one that eats babies for breakfast and spits acid. <_<

I personally think that she was just against having whole team to escort the crew. 

There is a difference between "eating babies and spitting acid" and making hard tactical decisions and being professionally distant. I don't know why some people complain whenever she does something that doesn't give warm fuzzy feelings. She's not a teddy bear, you know.

BTW, she's already moved away from what she was at the start of ME2. I only don't want her to move significantly more into the same direction than she already has. I'd like her to remain morally ambiguous and not anyone's teddy bear.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:26 .

[Caihn]

Some prefer her ruthless side, some prefer her softer side, some like both sides ... are we gonna make this debate again ?

[Ieldra]

Hopefully not, Yannkee. I just wanted to make clear that my preferred vision of Miranda is not equal to her "eating babies and spitting acid". And now you may add that yours is not equal to her being a teddy bear....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:28 .

[Caihn]

It's called an hyperbole ... it's very common here.

[jtav]

Nor is mine. "Eating babies and spitting acid" would equate to her enjoying having to make those hard decisions. She clearly doesn't enjoy it. You can tell she's angry and upset at both the death of her staff and the abduction of the crew. She's happy when they make it back. But she will sacrifice people for the sake of what she believes to be the greater good without a second thought. Both are aspects of her character.

[Jonathan Tavier]

Yannkee wrote...

She looks great.



Don't change a thing Bioware.

What Yannkee said!

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Why can't we just have the ME1 system? Nice catsuit onboard Normandy and Illium(or any other world), and armor in combat missions. Jeez BW is LAZY. Honestly speaking, I'm a woman, but I have no issue with either of Miranda's catsuits. Until she runs right into a firefight with it, and that's when I go 'Cerberus budget cuts didn't allow you to wear armor, Miri?'



@jtav

She most likely thought that Shepard was going to send the entire/half the squad to escort the crew, but when he sent just one, she was like 'oh. Shoulda thought of that.'

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@Ieldra2

Too bad, she's already my personal cuddle toy. MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah yeah but my real reason for considering heavy casulties is because of the background crew. Her suggesting to leave them behind just made me.

Miranda did not suggest leaving the crew behind. She argued against Shepard escorting them back to the ship personally. There's a difference.  She did not raise any objections to sending a single escort to get them back safely.

T'was incorrect. Ignore this post.

I like Miri for the ruthless and efficent woman that she is. I don't want her to be overly nice and concerned with saving everyone my Shepard has that covered already

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:01 .

[Melra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

@Ieldra2
Too bad, she's already my personal cuddle toy. MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Makes me so warm and mushy!

[Ieldra]

@Ryzaki:
I just checked: surprisingly, what Miranda says does lend itself to the interpretation that she only doesn't want the whole team to go back. She says "We can't afford to go back, Shepard. Not now." Shepard chooses, in fact, to not go back because he agrees, but sends an escort, which has to be enough.
The other interpretation is also valid, if you take Shepard's decision as going either against her advice or with it. If you use the first interpretation, then Shepard hasn't got the option to go against her advice, which would make the whole exchange less meaningful.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Ryzaki:
I just checked: surprisingly, what Miranda says does lend itself to the interpretation that she only doesn't want the whole team to go back. She says "We can't afford to go back, Shepard. Not now." Shepard chooses, in fact, to not go back because he agrees, but sends an escort, which has to be enough.

Ah. Odd that. One would think she wouldn't send an escort back because they need the extra manpower. It is the more pragmatic thing to do.

I wonder if she would've considered sending an escort if she was in Shep's position? 

[jtav]

I doubt it. She does seem to regard saving the crew as a bit of a bonus. Remember, she still argues for a delay if you're not fully prepared, knowing that she's probably dooming the crew in the process.

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

I doubt it. She does seem to regard saving the crew as a bit of a bonus. Remember, she still argues for a delay if you're not fully prepared, knowing that she's probably dooming the crew in the process.

Oh yeah I almost forgot about that.

Huh.

Poor crew. They ended up liquidated :/ Or killed by the Collectors.

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Ryzaki:
I just checked: surprisingly, what Miranda says does lend itself to the interpretation that she only doesn't want the whole team to go back. She says "We can't afford to go back, Shepard. Not now." Shepard chooses, in fact, to not go back because he agrees, but sends an escort, which has to be enough.

Ah. Odd that. One would think she wouldn't send an escort back because they need the extra manpower. It is the more pragmatic thing to do.

I wonder if she would've considered sending an escort if she was in Shep's position?

Probably depends on her estimation of the team's strength. If nobody has died so far, things look good, and there could be someone to spare for the crew. We've already established that she does care.

Not to send anyone would be the more pragmatic the more the mission objective appears to be in danger. At this point, there could already have been four deaths on the team. In such a scenario, she'd not send anyone back.

Edit:
jtav's point must also be taken into account. The recommendation for a delay comes at a time when they don't know what they'll face. In the base, they already have an idea about their own strength compared to the enemy. I find it likely that she wouldn't send anyone, but I don't think it would be completely out of character for her to send an escort if things look good.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[jtav]

I think she's not averse to doing things like sending an escort, but she does sometimes have to be reminded that the mission does not always exclude compassion. I don't think an escort would've occurred to her if someone hadn't mentioned it.

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Probably depends on her estimation of the team's strength. If nobody has died so far, things look good, and there could be someone to spare for the crew. We've already established that she does care.

Not to send anyone would be the more pragmatic the more the mission objective appears to be in danger. At this point, there could already have been four deaths on the team. In such a scenario, she'd not send anyone back.

Probably. I personally am not seeing it though. Sending one person alone with a large group of defensless people? If I'm not metagaming I'm seeing a heavy risk there for very little reward. If that person dies on the frontline they would've bought her and the others more time to complete the mission. If they die escorting the crew the mission hasn't been helped at all only the crews lives are saved. And as Miranda said on Lazarus station. "They all knew the risks when they signed up.' 

I'm just digging into my inner pragmatist (my usual self is a overly optimistic optimist. XD)

Though yes I agree with the latter point.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:17 .

[jtav]

I am by nature not much of a consequentialist or a pragmatist. But I like that Miranda is. I like that she has a hard edge and isn't cuddly. She's good, for a certain value of good, but she most certainly isn't nice. She would be less interesting if she were. I can find a dozen heroines/love interests who are warm and sweet. Miranda Lawson is a rare breed, and she would lose her appeal if she became any softer than she already is. I'm not interested in someone who just looks and sounds like her.

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

I am by nature not much of a consequentialist or a pragmatist. But I like that Miranda is. I like that she has a hard edge and isn't cuddly. She's good, for a certain value of good, but she most certainly isn't nice. She would be less interesting if she were. I can find a dozen heroines/love interests who are warm and sweet. Miranda Lawson is a rare breed, and she would lose her appeal if she became any softer than she already is. I'm not interested in someone who just looks and sounds like her.

This I agree with.

I liked that Miranda seemed like a cold hard ice queen in the beginning of the game (though that really could've been handled better than Shep's sudden meekness and her flip flopping from "I'll leave you with the mechs." to "You're the whole reason this project was done. No one else matters." 

Her coldness, her ruthlessness that is what I admire about her. Her intelligence and her fire only add to that.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Just found this on DA:







It was done by a female artist. If only I could even BEGIN to draw like that...

[lydlyd]

 That would be me   Thanks for posting! And lol you guys are fast.

[JeanLuc761]

Hello folks, thought I'd drop by with a couple images from my higher res texture mod. Been focusing on Miranda lately, and she's looking quite good so far.

[Elyvern]

Ayep...have your thread subscribed...waiting for your update on Miranda as a matter of fact. Keep up the good work!

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

I can't remember where I read this, but there was someone saying how much he wanted to see a Miri/Ashley pairing after Ash discovers that Shep was cheating on her with Miranda. It...well, I dunno, it MAY work, but most likely not. Somehow, I just can't see it happening.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Jonathan Tavier wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

She looks great.



Don't change a thing Bioware.

What Yannkee said!

Agreed on both counts. Love the suit.