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[Ieldra]

LOL, JK.



BTW, here's my favorite Miranda wallpaper.







DeviantArt link - the artist has wallpapers with most other ME1/2 team members in the same style.

[Jebel Krong]

yeah i thought it was pretty damn good. the finished artwork is a little rough (look at sarah's shoes) which is weird because the colour gradients/ toning is spot on and the detail on the characters is great...

[2kgnsiika]

 So, anyone catch that Miranda/ME2 reference in last night's episode of Chuck?

Chuck spoilers!

Sarah Walker (Miranda) pretends to go rogue, dons a brunette wig and accepts an assignment from the criminal Alexei Volkoff. He says the assignment is basically a suicide mission, to which she responds:


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[Melra]

Yeah, I caught it. It was kinda funny.

[lawp79]

Sorry, but even Miranda couldnt make me watch Chuck.

[JeanLuc761]

lawp79 wrote...

Sorry, but even Miranda couldnt make me watch Chuck.

To each their own.  I think it's one of the best shows in recent years. 

Also, you folks are going to force me to make a Miranda wallpaper one of these days

[yesikareyes]

I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

[Lord Ed1]

2kgnsiika wrote...

 So, anyone catch that Miranda/ME2 reference in last night's episode of Chuck?

Chuck spoilers!

Sarah Walker (Miranda) pretends to go rogue, dons a brunette wig and accepts an assignment from the criminal Alexei Volkoff. He says the assignment is basically a suicide mission, to which she responds:


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Is this said in the game at some point? I don't believe I've ever heard it.
And no, haven't been able to watch yet. It should be online soon.

[Melra]

yesikareyes wrote...

I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

Lies. 

[2kgnsiika]

yesikareyes wrote...

I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

Don't worry, as much as I like Chuck, only one man in the galaxy is good enough for Miranda.

[2kgnsiika]

Lord Ed1 wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

 So, anyone catch that Miranda/ME2 reference in last night's episode of Chuck?

Chuck spoilers!

Sarah Walker (Miranda) pretends to go rogue, dons a brunette wig and accepts an assignment from the criminal Alexei Volkoff. He says the assignment is basically a suicide mission, to which she responds:


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Is this said in the game at some point? I don't believe I've ever heard it.
And no, haven't been able to watch yet. It should be online soon.

No, but the actress playing Miranda saying that she loves a suicide mission? Kinda obvious.

[Ieldra]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

lawp79 wrote...
Sorry, but even Miranda couldnt make me watch Chuck.

To each their own.  I think it's one of the best shows in recent years. 
Also, you folks are going to force me to make a Miranda wallpaper one of these days

You need to be forced to make a Miranda wallpaper? That's......incomprehensible.

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...
I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

Miranda doesn't belong to anyone but herself. If she comes to love Shepard, he should be immensely flattered that he's managed to attract a woman of her class.

As for the other matter, I agree with lawp89.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

Miranda doesn't belong to anyone but herself. If she comes to love Shepard, he should be immensely flattered that he's managed to attract a woman of her class.

Shouldn't that go both ways? 

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
I don't like watching Chuck because Miranda belongs to Shepard haha!

Miranda doesn't belong to anyone but herself. If she comes to love Shepard, he should be immensely flattered that he's managed to attract a woman of her class.

Shouldn't that go both ways? 

It should, but Shepard's behaviour in the game makes it a mental effort of epic proportions to imagine your Shepard as such a person.

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...
It should, but Shepard's behaviour in the game makes it a mental effort of epic proportions to imagine your Shepard as such a person.

I don't know. I'm playing a paragade and there's no mental effort of epic proportions.

He just has his faults just like she does.

As the saying goes: They're only human.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:40 .

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
It should, but Shepard's behaviour in the game makes it a mental effort of epic proportions to imagine your Shepard as such a person.

I don't know. I'm playing a paragade and there's no mental effort of epic proportions.

He just has his faults just like she does.

As the saying goes: They're only human.

Yes, the Paragade Shepard is likely the least problematic.

My personal problem is that in-game Shepard occasionally displays behaviour I find highly annoying. Especially regarding his intelligence. Shepard isn't exactly the smartest guy, and I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to a person of average intelligence who doesn't know the meaning of subtlety if it hit him in the face. Charisma can only go so far.

In short, I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to your typical blow-everything-up action hero. And re-imagining your Shepard as anything else is hard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:49 .

[jtav]

Agreed Ieldra. I don't buy it for a second that she would be attracted to a man like Shepard as he's usually presented. For that and other reasons, the romance doesn't exist in my ME universe. And wouldn't it be terrible if Shepard were the only possible match? What if he died/wasn't interested?

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes, the Paragade Shepard is likely the least problematic.

My personal problem is that in-game Shepard occasionally displays behaviour I find highly annoying. Especially regarding his intelligence. Shepard isn't exactly the smartest guy, and I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to a person of average intelligence who doesn't know the meaning of subtlety if it hit him in the face. Charisma can only go so far.

In short, I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to your typical blow-everything-up action hero. And re-imagining your Shepard as anything else is hard.

Shepard is as smart as the game demands. There are times were he/she can be quite intelligent and times were he/she has to subtly of a pink elephant.

And Charisma can go very far. People are far more willing to follow and listen to someone charismatic than intelligent.

I do. And...I disagree with the last sentence. It really isn't difficult to roleplay Shepard as something other than the typical blow everything up action hero. Hell just play a mostly paragon. Renegade is more the typical action hero type. Paragon sometimes feels like I'm playing Jesus who once in a while needs to punch someone in the face.

And frankly I find most     all characters in ME display traits I find annoying. Shepard just grates me more because he's supposeed to be the main PC.

That said Miranda's attraction would be determined by the Shepard your playing but then again so would the opposite.

I can't really imagine a paragon Shepard seeing Miranda romantically (He'd probably see her as needing his guidance) or a renegade seeing her as anything but a quick f***. (By this I mean pure paragon/renegade) 

That said a pure paragon Shepard treats everyone around him like a child and a pure renegade is just a dick.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

Agreed Ieldra. I don't buy it for a second that she would be attracted to a man like Shepard as he's usually presented. For that and other reasons, the romance doesn't exist in my ME universe. And wouldn't it be terrible if Shepard were the only possible match? What if he died/wasn't interested?

Exactly how is Shepard usually presented that stops Miranda from being attracted to him? 

*Is geninunely confused*

And no it wouldn't be terrible if Shepard were the only possible match. Frankly I see Miranda as being attracted to plenty of people. There's nothing wrong with that.

AH I see my issue. I don't pay the romance with her ad when I did I pretty much ignored the dialogue or stuck to the middle options.

Though I thought the "trying to get you into bed." line was supposed to be a joke. A bad joke but a joke. :/ *has heard things similar so it wasn't odd to her*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:14 .

[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, the Paragade Shepard is likely the least problematic.

My personal problem is that in-game Shepard occasionally displays behaviour I find highly annoying. Especially regarding his intelligence. Shepard isn't exactly the smartest guy, and I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to a person of average intelligence who doesn't know the meaning of subtlety if it hit him in the face. Charisma can only go so far.

In short, I don't find it plausible that Miranda would be attracted to your typical blow-everything-up action hero. And re-imagining your Shepard as anything else is hard.

Especially the line "Who said anything about love...I'm just trying to get you into bed" which I find incredibly stupid, selfish and honestly worthy of a biotic slap from Miranda IMHO. When I reached this conversation option on my original playthrough I initially found this hilarious, and only did it in subsequent ones for comic value over anything else after seeing the context of it.  

As to whether Shepard can match Miranda in terms of her intelligence per se, I agree he'd have a hard time since she is supposedly the "perfect" woman. On the flipside, what I've always try to do when talking with Miranda is to show a confident but sensitive side, to show to Miranda that Shepard has confidence in her so that she can come to terms with how obsessed her father was/still is with her.

The exchange where Shepard does well to point out that she is in the best position to make so much good use of the "gifts" she has, after all Miranda takes the opportunity to praise Shepard in the first instance "Every one of your accomplishments is due to your skill...yet I only get credit for my mistakes"...this would suggest that she is warming to being with Shepard as a colleague, a teammate who can give support and that he's not just trying to curry favour and being gleeful about the eye-candy in front of him.  

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:12 .

[Ieldra]

@Ryzaki:

That's just the problem - between the condescending Paragon and the jerkish Renegade there is only a very narrow path for you to play your Shepard as intelligent, reasonably pragmatic and with a modicum of empathy. I'm getting nearer to the balance, but it's taken me several playthroughs. And there are still situations that make me groan, for instance his behaviour at the Collector base. Regardless of how his decision goes in the end, he appears to be completely unaware of the strategic implications of his decision. Just the default "I'll blow it up" mentality.

And that damn "soul of the species" line. I know some people like it, but I hate it, and I can only avoid it if I tell TIM to shut up, which is almost as bad. What I want to tell him is if he uses the base to experiment on humans, I'll come back and finish the job. Without resorting to pseudo-mystical crap or being rude. I want to express that keeping the base doesn't mean I support Cerberus in a reasonable way.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:30 .

[Ieldra]

@GuitarShredUK:

We've had a very long and intense debate about the "love?" line. I think the problem here is mostly that people expect something different. I see it as a joke meant to lighten the mood, making a bit light of the deep emotions Miranda is clearly uncomfortable about, making the situation a bit easier for her by telling her she's doesn't have to make a decision about how serious this is for her now. I think it works, for she reacts as if she appreciates it - the tone of her response gives it away. For that reason, I tend to use that line, though I agree that if you take it seriously, he deserves to be slammed into the wall for it. Shepard's rape face, of course, doesn't help at all.

I agree with your other points. Also my complaint about his intelligence is not primarily about his behaviour in the romance, but in general. See my previous post.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:32 .

[jtav]

There's also the problem that the romance is all one way because Shepard is never allowed doubt or weakness. There's no sense that he's equally in love with her. And her relationship with her sister, her need to justify her existence, her Cerberus affiliation, are all dropped.

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...
@Ryzaki:
That's just the problem - between the condescending Paragon and the jerkish Renegade there is only a very narrow path for you to play your Shepard as intelligent, reasonably pragmatic and with a modicum of empathy. I'm getting nearer to the balance, but it's taken me several playthroughs. And there are still situations that make me groan, for instance his behaviour at the Collector base. Regardless of how his decision goes in the end, he appears to be completely unaware of the strategic implications of his decision. Just the default "I'll blow it up" mentality.
And that damn "soul of the species" line. I know some people like it, but I hate it, and I can only avoid it if I tell TIM to shut up, which is almost as bad. What I want to tell him is if he uses the base to experiment on humans, I'll come back and finish the job. Without resorting to pseudo-mystical crap or being rude. I want to express that keeping the base doesn't mean I support Cerberus.

Everything doesn't need to be explained though. Shepard blowing it up was for more reasons than just destroying it to destroying it we know that.
Ah yeah that line is bad and I hate it. I do love the Telling TIM to shove it though. Favorite line ever.
And yeah that does suck. But I suppose it was to equalize not explaining to TIM how utterly dangerous the base was and how Cerberus track record with dangerous tech was ****** poor.

jtav wrote...

There's also the problem that the romance is all one way because Shepard is never allowed doubt or weakness. There's no sense that he's equally in love with her. And her relationship with
her sister, her need to justify her existence, her Cerberus affiliation, are all dropped.

I have to admit this is why I like the ME1 Kaidan romance so much. The locker scene allowed Shep to show some weakness and made Shepard much more human for it.

Ieldra2 wrote...
 For that reason, I tend to use that line, though I agree that if you take it seriously, he deserves to be slammed into the wall for it. Shepard's rape face, of course, doesn't help at all.

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That doesn't look so bad with a custom Shepard but still.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:36 .